Bring them the fuck home

my2hands wrote:

while the maggots in Washington play politics and postion for the 08' election, our friends and family are in the line of fire being killed and injured. while they speak about "victory" and "winning" thumping their cowardly chests our fellow americans are targets in a foreign land. i have had 2 friends in the guard called up recently and they will be on the ground in Iraq within weeks, ripped from their families and homes by uncle sam for this bullshit war. i can only hope they stay safe and make it home unharmed. our freedom is not at risk, our country is not at risk, or lives are not at risk, only are families and friends in Iraq are at risk.

what is so wrong with bringing home our family and friends safely?

I understand some of the emotion and I share your opposition of war, but I wonder if you would support disbanding the military altogether. After all, the nature of being in the military means that you will be in harm's way sometimes. If we just kept them home and safe, there'd be no need for a military.

(Plus, you should have strongly encouraged them not to join)

know1 wrote:

I understand some of the emotion and I share your opposition of war, but I wonder if you would support disbanding the military altogether. After all, the nature of being in the military means that you will be in harm's way sometimes. If we just kept them home and safe, there'd be no need for a military.

(Plus, you should have strongly encouraged them not to join)

i disagree. The war shouldnt have even been started. The troops have no reason, and shouldnt have been there in the first place. The whole war is wrong. Under that logic, they wouldnt be there at all, if they werent called up.

Well, for one, as I said before, maybe you didnt read my other posts. But I continually call for the congress to pull funding of the war. Secondly, I have maintained, that Democrats should refuse to vote for any other Democrats who is not antiwar, they should only vote for those who want to pull troops out immediately and will not send troops to iran and north korea.

Third, we can give money to candidates who are antiwar, and refuse to give money to candidates who are prowar.

Fourth, we can start organizing in our own communities. In Eugene, its often called Berkeley North. Its a place associated with hippies. Yet we have protests sporadically at best. Once every six months an antiwar protest occurs.
To be frank, any protest at all is good, but lets face

Additionally the protests need to be more militant. I am all for peace, and nonviolence, but lets face it, standing on a corner with signs doesnt get attention anymore, and people dont care anymore. I applaud those who do protest, but come on people. New tactics need to come to the fore. So I am suggesting we all, in our own communities, start an antiwar and peace organization, and start organizing protests, and have them, not once every year, but once a week, twice a week etc...

Tactics like nonviolent civil disobedience need to be started. Going to your local military recruitment center and protesting, and refusing to leave and just sitting down. Going to your local government and disrupting proceedings, blocking hallways, refusing to leave. Just stand in the doorway. Nonviolent, but it sure as hell is going to get a reaction. Going into vital centers of operation, places that need to operate for a city to function, universities, banks, stores etc... all should be the target of protesters. If you had 100 activists and 5 each went to the local branches of the bank, and just stood in the doorway or disrupted things. Or College students, disrupted classes and blocked hallways, took over the College Presidents office etc...

The war needs to end. Its just a question of how soon we want it to end. If we do nothing, or do what we have been doing, the troops stay in iraq and afghanistan til 2009 or possibly later if Hilary or other prowar candidates win in the next election. Or we can resist, and refuse to endure a one single additional death in iraq. Its our choice.

Look to the student protestors in Paris in 68 who nearly overthrew the government there, or American students during the 60's, they may not have ended the war, but by 1970, Nixon sure as hell wasnt going to draft more troops, for the simple reason that he couldnt guarantee domestic stability and comfort. He has said that, and so did his administration.

Voting for Gore or Kerry or Edwards or Obama isnt going to end the war. Lets face it.

Rarely does social change come from the top. it must be demanded by us, the people.

The war is touching all of our lives. I refuse to even read the paper for fear of the headlines. And I have met many others who feel the same, that its just so overwelming that the only thing to do is to tune out.

I was degraded and yelled at and cursed at and called names, by many people, even by members of my family for my vote of Nader in 2004. The reason I did it was he was the ONLY candidate who was willing to end the war.

Now in 2007, he along with a precious few, are the lone spokespeople in politics who are willing to put their jobs and neck on the line to do the will of the people.

Anyone who has read any history of the sixties can pick up an increasing anger on the part of americans and students during that era. It started with flowers in the hair and psychedelic tunes and peace and love, but by 1970 and 71, you had people literally going insane.

You see that now, murders and people flying off the handle is on the increase.

The war has to end, and will end. How fast are you willing to end the war?

Cheguevara6 wrote:

Everyone on here knows I am headed to a commune in mid june. While I am in love with nature and the outdoors and working on a farm, and just that whole lifestyle, quite frankly, the war itself is one of the main reasons I am going.

What a hypocrite. I am seriously laughing at the idiocy of your thought process. I care about the troops so much that I am going to join a commune to forget about them. Get a work ethic hippy. Way to contribute to society. Run away, run away, run away. You are weak.

my2hands wrote:

while the maggots in Washington play politics and postion for the 08' election, our friends and family are in the line of fire being killed and injured. while they speak about "victory" and "winning" thumping their cowardly chests our fellow americans are targets in a foreign land. i have had 2 friends in the guard called up recently and they will be on the ground in Iraq within weeks, ripped from their families and homes by uncle sam for this bullshit war. i can only hope they stay safe and make it home unharmed. our freedom is not at risk, our country is not at risk, or lives are not at risk, only are families and friends in Iraq are at risk.

what is so wrong with bringing home our family and friends safely?

Classless and disgusting. What about these "maggots" families and friends?

who is listening to "bring them home"? clearly the current congress is not.

i think the call should go out to the troops themselves. they have the power to bring themselves home. and we should be vocal in supporting them. we should tell every military solider who wants to quit this shit that they should feel no obligation to obey their officers, that they should obey only their own consciences. we should give comfort to every solider who goes AWOL. freedom is not a one way street. they fight for our freedom. let us fight for theirs.

my2hands wrote:

knowledge of the history of a problem can sometimes help in finding a solution

1. dont pay your federal taxes
2. communicate
3. organize, or join organizations with similar ideals
4. learn, read, and educate yourself
5. vote
6. protest
7. state your opinion openly, you never know who you may sway
8. teach peace and practice peace
9. dont invest in the military industrial complex
10. understand that you cannot stop it alone, and dont question what others are doing for the cause, just make sure you are playing your part


and of course ther are many more things. just a few i prefer, feel free to add any suggestions

Have you not paid your federal taxes this year?

my2hands wrote:

first off fallwell died, he has children, friends, and family mourning his loss regardless of his ideals. i believe there is a difference when dealing with the recently deceased. second fallwell never ordered an immoral invasion of another country that resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths. he espoused hateful ideals, as compared to commiting mass murder like these cowards have.

i really do think there is a difference. lives are in the balance. did i gloat and call richard nixon names when he passed? sure didnt. will i celebrate and mock W when he passes, no. Cheney may be a different story however (just kidding )

you preached hate towards fallwell, making you no better than him in that regard. you did exactly what you despised about him. i am not invading a country to show my despise for the worthless humans in washington.

i dont advocate for their death, just a jail cell.

So if it is an issue that YOU feel powerfully about then it is Ok to spew hate. Gotcha. Hypocrite.

BTW - I agree Bush & company are worthless fucks that should be jailed or worse for their crimes. But you are a hypocrite. Have a good night.