Bring them the fuck home

peeps

my2hands once again manages to come off like a total idiot while having the right ideas. btw, i miss you baby.

Abookamongstthemany

decides2dream wrote:

all true. however, what good does that do us today? what do you or anyone suggest each of us do to 'have the troops come home NOW'..........? posting these messages over and over, right here....ain't gonna do it. so in all seriousness, i ask all who continually start these threads....what should we do...what are you doing...what CAN realistically be done?

Spreading an idea is all that can be done. Email your representatives, protest, debate....all of that is spreading an idea and it's a good thing, imo. Even if it didn't accomplish anything...this is a form of posting your feelings..what's on your mind. It's just as good as any other idea on here that's been said many times over like, what shows your going to see in Europe or what's your favorite ice cream flavor, your thoughts on abortion, religion, taxes, capitalism....whatever. It all may or may not change anything but it is a form of expression and/or venting frustration. Not everyone is going to express the same thoughts another might. I guess Ed should shut up and sing already because saying what's on his mind over and over again ain't gonna change anything. :rolleyes: Spreading your ideas and feelings is one of the most important things we do as humans and it's the foundation for how we build our connections.

Jeanwah

know1 wrote:

I understand some of the emotion and I share your opposition of war, but I wonder if you would support disbanding the military altogether. After all, the nature of being in the military means that you will be in harm's way sometimes. If we just kept them home and safe, there'd be no need for a military.

(Plus, you should have strongly encouraged them not to join)

Know, he was saying that he had two friends in the Guard. The National Guard is not the military and their job is not to be prepared for combat. They are there for disasters; they should not be sent to Iraq, PERIOD.

bootlegger10

Cheguevara6 wrote:

what an ignorant idiot!

Its not like we are going to be sitting around all day doing drugs or something. Its an established commune, one of the most famous, been aorund since the 60's. Members are expected to fill a work hour quota.

Right, you complain about the leaders in America and the troops being in harms way, but when push comes to shove, you hide in a commune.

my2hands

bootlegger10 wrote:

Right, you complain about the leaders in America and the troops being in harms way, but when push comes to shove, you hide in a commune.

i would argue that he is stronger than you, i doubt you could do it. i know i couldnt, and i love the outdoors


not to mention he wont be paying federal taxes, which is ultimately what fuels this

decides2dream

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Spreading an idea is all that can be done. Email your representatives, protest, debate....all of that is spreading an idea and it's a good thing, imo. Even if it didn't accomplish anything...this is a form of posting your feelings..what's on your mind. It's just as good as any other idea on here that's been said many times over like, what shows your going to see in Europe or what's your favorite ice cream flavor, your thoughts on abortion, religion, taxes, capitalism....whatever. It all may or may not change anything but it is a form of expression and/or venting frustration. Not everyone is going to express the same thoughts another might. I guess Ed should shut up and sing already because saying what's on his mind over and over again ain't gonna change anything. :rolleyes: Spreading your ideas and feelings is one of the most important things we do as humans and it's the foundation for how we build our connections.

apparently you read far more into my posts than is intended....i said "in all seriousness"....meaning, truly asking what others here are doing in support of this idea...things they realistically think CAN be done to change this situation. i was actually hoping for more ideas.

i am well aware of the purpose of this and all the forums thank you..i was merely asking a legitimate question, also participating in the discussion. and the fact that you take it beyond to 'ed should just shut up and sing'....:rolleyes: truly shows how MUCH you read into my comments falsely.....b/c i adore ed's politics, his lyrics...and his speaking out.


my apologies for actually asking for NEW ideas of what others may be doing to forward this idea of ending this war pronto. all that are listed, all good of course and i have done my share of such things...i just thought maybe, there was something else others have thought of that i have not, or simply sharing ideas beyond 'the war should stop'....that's all. i am not suggesting people stop their 'end the war' threads, we all need to vent...if i am uninterested in what is said, i simply disregard the posts...here i was truly interesting in more IDEAS beyond simply discussion, and more towards action.

my2hands wrote:

1. dont pay your federal taxes
2. communicate
3. organize, or join organizations with similar ideals
4. learn, read, and educate yourself
5. vote
6. protest
7. state your opinion openly, you never know who you may sway
8. teach peace and practice peace
9. dont invest in the military industrial complex
10. understand that you cannot stop it alone, and dont question what others are doing for the cause, just make sure you are playing your part


and of course ther are many more things. just a few i prefer, feel free to add any suggestions

thank you, that is exactly the real kind of response i was hoping for...truly addressing the question. many i agree with, others i would not dream of doing...at least not now....but i appreciate the real suggestions. again, i guess in some small way...i was hoping for some new ideas....but we all just have to do our part.


edit - i have been thinking about this since i read/posted here.......do you seriously not pay the federal portion of your taxes to protest the war? that was probably the one idea you listed i would not do.....so i am just curious. the rest, absolutely....but that one just stuck out......

bootlegger10

my2hands wrote:

i would argue that he is stronger than you, i doubt you could do it. i know i couldnt, and i love the outdoors


not to mention he wont be paying federal taxes, which is ultimately what fuels this

Stronger than me? Because he is joining a commune? It sounds like he just wants to stop reading the newspapers and working the "40 hour week." That does not make him stronger than me (not that I care). You are right though that I would not want to live in a commune. I would love to give up the stress of the real world, but sometimes a little perseverance pays off instead of running from the tough parts of life.

polaris

bootlegger10 wrote:

Stronger than me? Because he is joining a commune? It sounds like he just wants to stop reading the newspapers and working the "40 hour week." That does not make him stronger than me (not that I care). You are right though that I would not want to live in a commune. I would love to give up the stress of the real world, but sometimes a little perseverance pays off instead of running from the tough parts of life.

do you think just because you are part of the "40 hour week" - you are somehow facing the tough parts in life better than he is?

that is so far from the truth ... one of the toughest things in life is being true to your convictions - he will be going to a commune where everyone has to pull their weight or the entire system fails - that is as much part of the real world as it gets - and in doing so, he will be leading a lifestyle that he doesn't have to compromise for ...

why is it that when someone chooses to make positive changes in one's life - so many people want to shoot them down?? ... look yourselves in the mirror first before you start criticizing people ...

mammasan

polaris wrote:

do you think just because you are part of the "40 hour week" - you are somehow facing the tough parts in life better than he is?

that is so far from the truth ... one of the toughest things in life is being true to your convictions - he will be going to a commune where everyone has to pull their weight or the entire system fails - that is as much part of the real world as it gets - and in doing so, he will be leading a lifestyle that he doesn't have to compromise for ...

why is it that when someone chooses to make positive changes in one's life - so many people want to shoot them down?? ... look yourselves in the mirror first before you start criticizing people ...

Well said.

Abookamongstthemany

polaris wrote:

do you think just because you are part of the "40 hour week" - you are somehow facing the tough parts in life better than he is?

that is so far from the truth ... one of the toughest things in life is being true to your convictions - he will be going to a commune where everyone has to pull their weight or the entire system fails - that is as much part of the real world as it gets - and in doing so, he will be leading a lifestyle that he doesn't have to compromise for ...

why is it that when someone chooses to make positive changes in one's life - so many people want to shoot them down?? ... look yourselves in the mirror first before you start criticizing people ...

Some people, it appears, love spreading their misery. I can't see any other reason for displaying such negativity and anger towards someone elses difference in perspective.

mammasan

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Some people, it appears, love spreading their misery. I can't see any other reason for displaying such negativity and anger towards someone elses difference in perspective.

i find that people who do that are afraid to make such a huge change in their life or are resentfull for not pursuing their dreams with the vigor that others do. It's easier for them to put down those that dare to follow that different path than face the fact that they decided not to.

Abookamongstthemany

decides2dream wrote:

apparently you read far more into my posts than is intended....i said "in all seriousness"....meaning, truly asking what others here are doing in support of this idea...things they realistically think CAN be done to change this situation. i was actually hoping for more ideas.

i am well aware of the purpose of this and all the forums thank you..i was merely asking a legitimate question, also participating in the discussion. and the fact that you take it beyond to 'ed should just shut up and sing'....:rolleyes: truly shows how MUCH you read into my comments falsely.....b/c i adore ed's politics, his lyrics...and his speaking out.


my apologies for actually asking for NEW ideas of what others may be doing to forward this idea of ending this war pronto. all that are listed, all good of course and i have done my share of such things...i just thought maybe, there was something else others have thought of that i have not, or simply sharing ideas beyond 'the war should stop'....that's all. i am not suggesting people stop their 'end the war' threads, we all need to vent...if i am uninterested in what is said, i simply disregard the posts...here i was truly interesting in more IDEAS beyond simply discussion, and more towards action.

First off, thank you for clarifying because, to me, it did seem a bit like you were minimizing the efforts in communication and discussions made here on the board. Secondly, since you agree with the sentiment of bringing the troops home now...it would be nice to hear your ideas on the subject alongside your critique concerning the lack of these in others.

polaris

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Some people, it appears, love spreading their misery. I can't see any other reason for displaying such negativity and anger towards someone elses difference in perspective.

people rather expend energy criticizing others then doing something about themselves ... not that i'm some saint or martyr - but i do my best and i find that you have to deal with people's cynicism ... it's sad really ...

Abookamongstthemany

mammasan wrote:

i find that people who do that are afraid to make such a huge change in their life or are resentfull for not pursuing their dreams with the vigor that others do. It's easier for them to put down those that dare to follow that different path than face the fact that they decided not to.

I absolutely agree.

polaris

mammasan wrote:

i find that people who do that are afraid to make such a huge change in their life or are resentfull for not pursuing their dreams with the vigor that others do. It's easier for them to put down those that dare to follow that different path than face the fact that they decided not to.

exactly ... and no one wants to feel guilt ... so, they will rationalize their behaviour as best as possible to not feel any ...

Abookamongstthemany

polaris wrote:

people rather expend energy criticizing others then doing something about themselves ... not that i'm some saint or martyr - but i do my best and i find that you have to deal with people's cynicism ... it's sad really ...

It really is sad. Some people on this board can be so nasty and down right rude when they post their opposing views...and this happens frequently in the real world, too. It's a shame people can't put their differences aside long enough to, at the very least, be considerate of each other.

Eliot Rosewater

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

It really is sad. Some people on this board can be so nasty and down right rude when they post their opposing views...and this happens frequently in the real world, too. It's a shame people can't put their differences aside long enough to, at the very least, be considerate of each other.

and yet the innocent lives are still being lost every single day we're in iraq. back to topic.....get them the fuck home.

polaris

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

It really is sad. Some people on this board can be so nasty and down right rude when they post their opposing views...and this happens frequently in the real world, too. It's a shame people can't put their differences aside long enough to, at the very least, be considerate of each other.

yeah ... its the internet ... wut u gonna do? ... can't be all angels such as yourself ...

jeffbr

polaris wrote:

do you think just because you are part of the "40 hour week" - you are somehow facing the tough parts in life better than he is?

I agree with the sentiments in your post (and posts that followed), except this part. Che has said he can't deal with reality anymore. He can't read the paper, he can't watch TV, he can't work, etc... So yes, Bootlegger10, you, Abook, my2hands, mammasan are dealing with the tough parts of life better than he is by confronting them. Che by his own admission is dropping out, running away, quitting. That's fine, he certainly has that right and I totally defend his right to do so. But don't confuse that with strength and the ability to face the tough parts of life.

moho

I was against the war, still am. But not being an american citizen i have to say that if your troops are brought home now, it will completely destabalise the Middle East even more so than it has been destabalised at present. Iraq would turn into the world biggest terroist breeding ground and many would be killed in an all out civil war and yet another dictator, and this time a religious extreme islamic nutcase, would take power within a year or two.

However that viewpoint does come from the objective point of view. If i was an american with friends, family, colleagues dying over there, my viewpoint may be very very different.