Bring them the fuck home

El_Kabong

decides2dream wrote:

who cares? take it as critical if you like. others who actually addressed my questions took it as intended, only you and abook seem focused on anything else in my posts. seriously...it's simply my opinion, either way. i HAVE moved on, the moment i posted it...seems some others haven't tho. i explained myslef a few times over now...for those of you who did request more clarity, all the rest was continued participation in the thread...and not about anything else.

man, all this rambling and backpeddling is giving me a headache...

no one is focused on you, get over it!

see, abook took your comment a certain way, you got bent out of shape and acted as if it was personal...to quote you:
"however, what you infer from my posts and what i intend, vastly different more often than not...and i would hazard a guess that has more to do with what you possibly 'read into' my posts for whatever reasons you may harbor"

that was not it at all...she took your comment as criticism, which you claimed
"no where in either post was any *criticism* present so i do fail to see where you get that."

then i bolded a part that could very easily be taken as being critical...instead of accepting this and saying 'i guess you misunderstood what i meant' you keep going on and on about how you moved on...yet it takes a couple paragraphs to 'prove' this (to whom i wonder?)

just explaining how it was taken how it was, you seem to want to act as if it's personal

a little self important, wouldn't you say?

decides2dream wrote:

the irony comment is simply b/c it IS iroinic...saying *I* am reading too much into things...hahaha. if you don't see the humor of you posting that here in this thread, to me...c'est la vie. the rest of that post was clearly directed to my2hands...thus why i said 'to my2hands'.......

the rest of what post?? what you quoted me in this reply was only 2 lines, nowhere in it was my2hands mentioned...(post 66)

decides2dream wrote:

but thanks for letting me know none of it was personal, no worries...it was never a concern, i don't take anything personally from people well, who i am not personal with. i simply answered b/c i was asked, a few times...for more clarification, etc. then i was simply letting it go b/c i just thought...why bother? i had said everything i had wanted to and then some. now if you want to continue to analyze my posts...enjoy...i am rather going to simply focus on the thread topic as i think i've explained myself well enough. agree, disagree....couldn't care less......so yea...moved on awhile ago........i think this dialogue/analysis of my post content is laughable at this point...questions in regards to them have been asked, answered and then some. take em at face value, take it however you want to interpret it...read into em all ya like.


i said it earlier that i really have nothing else to add...i think i got whatever 'answers' i may from here, so those who addressed the content and questions of my posts...thank you. i did want to adress my2hands responses, much appreciated.....keep up the good fight, always.

for someone who has nothing to add it sure seems the opposite

it seems like you do have a problem, but i could be wrong and i give up trying to figure it out

Abookamongstthemany

El_Kabong wrote:

man, all this rambling and backpeddling is giving me a headache...

no one is focused on you, get over it!

see, abook took your comment a certain way, you got bent out of shape and acted as if it was personal...to quote you:
"however, what you infer from my posts and what i intend, vastly different more often than not...and i would hazard a guess that has more to do with what you possibly 'read into' my posts for whatever reasons you may harbor"

that was not it at all...she took your comment as criticism, which you claimed
"no where in either post was any *criticism* present so i do fail to see where you get that."

then i bolded a part that could very easily be taken as being critical...instead of accepting this and saying 'i guess you misunderstood what i meant' you keep going on and on about how you moved on...yet it takes a couple paragraphs to 'prove' this (to whom i wonder?)

just explaining how it was taken how it was, you seem to want to act as if it's personal

a little self important, wouldn't you say?




the rest of what post?? what you quoted me in this reply was only 2 lines, nowhere in it was my2hands mentioned...(post 66)




for someone who has nothing to add it sure seems the opposite

it seems like you do have a problem, but i could be wrong and i give up trying to figure it out

Is it my turn to play good cop now?

Seriously, let's just forget about this. It's not too productive or purposeful. Although, it does remind me of the old days when you used to come to the defense of little overly sensitive me quite frequently.

Pearler

The original question to this thread was why cant we bring home the freinds and loved ones serving time in the Gulf...

Some dissagree with those personel being sent over to Iraq etc......

They arent liking the choices that people are making, often for others...

Have you stopped to think for one minute about the small chance that some of those service men and women might actually WANT to be there ?
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BTW, I have had the Avacado CD since it came out and have only just played it for the first time today.

catefrances

Pearler wrote:

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BTW, I have had the Avacado CD since it came out and have only just played it for the first time today.

my god! and i thought my not playing it until 2 days after i'd bought it was not quite right.

decides2dream

El Kabong wrote:

i give up trying to figure it out

good.


no 'backpeddling'. and if you two stopped questioning my comments, i'd have stopped responding, simple as that, i tend to do that when questioned. i WAS trying to clarify, and i did, more than once. what else was being asked...i don't know, don't know why anyone cared. i still don't see that or any of my comments as *critical*....i saw that ONE statement, especially in the CONTEXT of the post....as a statement of fact. it IS. it's all perception, and i did more than once clairfy any MISperceptions. however, in the future....i simply won't bother. and let what one may infer...right or wrong.....and sure, perhaps in the future PMs are better, or even better....just take what you want from my posts, rightly or wrongly...and then ignore the rest....b/c honestly, what difference does it make if it was a *criticism* or not? you two both went back and forth with me...just for THAT? that's it? i really thought there had to be more to it....eh well. but yea, i guess we all can just forget trying to 'figure it out.' i don't have a 'problem'....i was just brought up to respond when spoken/written to....and so i did.





*edit...will say, more than ever.....this weekend is a GREAT time to focus on the troops, and all their sacrifices. a BIG thank you to every service man/woman...past and present and sadly active right now........you ARE remembered this Memorial Day, and always......hope you ALL can make it home safe and sound ASAP!

my2hands

RainDog wrote:

If I hand a man a bat to beat the living shit out of you for hours on end, then I take the bat away, am I your hero?

great analogy

my2hands

decides2dream wrote:

and, thanks for the semi-answers. as i have no interest in actually doing so, it WAS purely curiosity on my part. obviously...you have not publicly announced if you are doing so..and i respect that, i just think as a form of protest, not very effective without the true announcement of civil disobedience. but hey, i applaud any/all efforts...

not everything is a protest, sometimes people just dont want to pay for the slaughter of children. if i did withhold my taxes i wouldnt do it for a pat on the back, nor would i feel a need to announce it. especially considering the possible consequences. and just because i havent "announced" my actions in this thread does not mean that i am not actively involved with a larger group that has taken the same action as myself, therefore participating in an act of organized civil disobendience.

i would like everyone to withhold their fed taxes, because we are paying for this war, so we should not rely on bullshit politicians to stop the funding with a bill, we should stop it ourselves. we control the purse strings, not Joe Lieberman.

El_Kabong

my2hands wrote:

not everything is a protest, sometimes people just dont want to pay for the slaughter of children. if i did withhold my taxes i wouldnt do it for a pat on the back, nor would i feel a need to announce it. especially considering the possible consequences. and just because i havent "announced" my actions in this thread does not mean that i am not actively involved with a larger group that has taken the same action as myself, therefore participating in an act of organized civil disobendience.

i would like everyone to withhold their fed taxes, because we are paying for this war, so we should not rely on bullshit politicians to stop the funding with a bill, we should stop it ourselves. we control the purse strings, not Joe Lieberman.

have you seen the movie stranger than fiction?

decides2dream

my2hands wrote:

not everything is a protest, sometimes people just dont want to pay for the slaughter of children. if i did withhold my taxes i wouldnt do it for a pat on the back, nor would i feel a need to announce it. especially considering the possible consequences. and just because i havent "announced" my actions in this thread does not mean that i am not actively involved with a larger group that has taken the same action as myself, therefore participating in an act of organized civil disobendience.

i would like everyone to withhold their fed taxes, because we are paying for this war, so we should not rely on bullshit politicians to stop the funding with a bill, we should stop it ourselves. we control the purse strings, not Joe Lieberman.

oh i hear ya, that's why i said 'as a form of protest'...but know full well there are other reasons/uses to do so. and i whole-heartedly agree with you, but i still could not get myself at this point to not pay my fed taxes. firstly, i don't know how you can even get your employer NOT to withhold taxes from your paycheck, haha...i think IRS is VERY good at tracking people down and i have way too much to lose.....and honestly, i just am not willing to fully 'give up' on my government, and not pay my share for ALL the OTHER stuff i benefit from and feel i should contribute to as a citizen of this country - and, even for our soldiers.....while i don't agree with them being over there, they ARE over there...and i DO feel it is my duty to help fund things that protect them too, not just cause harm. however, i absolutely agree.....everyone should decide for themselves, and i certainly applaud anyone who does follow their convictions to such a degree.

Bu2

is going to Iraq before the summer ends. He's been in training for a year now. Fort Benning, then Fort Campbell.

He's a gorgeous, thinking, caring boy....and my only hope is that he'll survive.

That is the reality, folks.

El_Kabong

Bu2 wrote:

is going to Iraq before the summer ends. He's been in training for a year now. Fort Benning, then Fort Campbell.

He's a gorgeous, thinking, caring boy....and my only hope is that he'll survive.

That is the reality, folks.

sorry to hear that, what does he do in the military? does he know where in iraq he'll be going?

my heart and thoughts go out to you and your family

Abookamongstthemany

My favorite

macgyver06

my2hands wrote:

while the maggots in Washington play politics and postion for the 08' election, our friends and family are in the line of fire being killed and injured. while they speak about "victory" and "winning" thumping their cowardly chests our fellow americans are targets in a foreign land. i have had 2 friends in the guard called up recently and they will be on the ground in Iraq within weeks, ripped from their families and homes by uncle sam for this bullshit war. i can only hope they stay safe and make it home unharmed. our freedom is not at risk, our country is not at risk, or lives are not at risk, only are families and friends in Iraq are at risk.

what is so wrong with bringing home our family and friends safely?

and yet you support obama

flywallyfly

Is this the official dig up old my2hands threads day?

Abookamongstthemany

flywallyfly wrote:

Is this the official dig up old my2hands threads day?

Funny meeting you here.

g under p

This is the opening track to *YELL FIRE* an album written in his travels in Iraq, Baghdad....Isarel and Palestine back in Spring 2004.

This Is Michael Franti and SPEARHEAD

Time To Go Home

Those who start wars, never fight them
And those who fight wars, they never like them
And those who write laws, can recite them
And those who fight laws, they live and die by them

But I know its time
Yes I know its time
It's time to go home
It's time to go home
It's time to go home
It's time to go home

Don't take our boys away
Don't take our girls away
Don't take our boys away
Don't take our girls away

Those who build walls are pretending
That forever they can defend them
Those who dam streams can build fountains
Those of us who just let them run free
Can move mountains

But I know its time
Yes I know its time
It's time to go home
It's time to go home
It's time to go home
It's time to go home

And I say, you whoooo
you whoooo who who who, you whoooo who who who

Doves fly by in the morning light
Leaves fall down on a passer by
Phone call comes and a mamma cries
Tears stream down from a daddy's eyes(X2)

But I know its time
Yes I know its time
It's time to go home
It's time to go home
It's time to go home
It's time to go home

Here's the title of the album *YELL FIRE*

Peace

my2hands

my2hands wrote:

while the maggots in Washington play politics and postion for the 08' election, our friends and family are in the line of fire being killed and injured. while they speak about "victory" and "winning" thumping their cowardly chests our fellow americans are targets in a foreign land. i have had 2 friends in the guard called up recently and they will be on the ground in Iraq within weeks, ripped from their families and homes by uncle sam for this bullshit war. i can only hope they stay safe and make it home unharmed. our freedom is not at risk, our country is not at risk, or lives are not at risk, only are families and friends in Iraq are at risk.

what is so wrong with bringing home our family and friends safely?

and this is exactly why i am voting for Obama in november

macgyver06

my2hands wrote:

and this is exactly why i am voting for Obama in november

your not convincing anyone that you arent ridiculous... its evident

my2hands

macgyver06 wrote:

your not convincing anyone that you arent ridiculous... its evident

you know whats funny...

you rarely add anything at all to the duiscussion... you are like a MT troll that roams around the threads and spits out cliche' one liners stating people are brainwashed, sheep, uninformed, asleep, etc, etc, etc...

what exactly have you done to help stop the war? anything? part of any local organizations? protested? withheld federal taxes? contacted officials? journalism? spoken with youth?

what do you do to help support your local community and various causes you espouse to support? do you volunteer? work in social services or the health industry? coach a local team? mentor youth?

i sure hope you do more then troll a message board flaming people for disagreeing with you, without ever even really stating your opinions or ideas...

Abookamongstthemany

my2hands wrote:

and this is exactly why i am voting for Obama in november

It's one of the main reasons I'm not...