People Of Colour Only Good For Cleaning Toilets Or Washing Dishes...

Truthmonger · August 2007

apparently, if you live in Toronto. Everywhere i go in my daily travels I'm struck by this one conspicuous phenomenon. In one of the most multicultural cities on the planet, where people are supposed to blind to colour, it is staggering to see the divisions in the workplace. Go to a franchaised coffee shop, go to a restaurant, go to the backrooms of hotels, both large and small, and witness discrimination at work. I used to go to this one coffee shop where all the patrons were white, and where every single employee behind the counter was someone of colour.

I'm sorry to bore people, but something needs to be said. Its appalling. I refuse to believe that all these people are there b/c thats all they're trained to do, or are capable of. I'm ashamed to live in this city at times.

CorporateWhore · August 2007

Truthmonger wrote:

I refuse to believe that all these people are there b/c thats all they're trained to do, or are capable of. I'm ashamed to live in this city at times.

lol! Why do you refuse to believe that? What statistical basis do you have to believe that minorities, based on their skin color, should work in upper-level management?

You have no basis to believe that those minorities deserve better jobs. You're just being a bigot.

Delivered_Wings · August 2007

CorporateWhore wrote:

lol! Why do you refuse to believe that? What statistical basis do you have to believe that minorities, based on their skin color, should work in upper-level management?

You have no basis to believe that those minorities deserve better jobs. You're just being a bigot.

Every time I read one of your posts I start to itch.

chopitdown · August 2007

Truthmonger wrote:

I'm sorry to bore people, but something needs to be said. Its appalling. I refuse to believe that all these people are there b/c thats all they're trained to do, or are capable of. I'm ashamed to live in this city at times.

of course that's not all that they are trained to do or all they are capable of...but it would seem from your post it is all that they are doing. It comes back to the question who is "keeping them down?". The "man"? themselves? that would be the question.

Truthmonger · August 2007

CorporateWhore wrote:

lol! Why do you refuse to believe that? What statistical basis do you have to believe that minorities, based on their skin color, should work in upper-level management?

You have no basis to believe that those minorities deserve better jobs. You're just being a bigot.

Thanks for the laugh. That was funny.

know1 · August 2007

Truthmonger wrote:

apparently, if you live in Toronto. Everywhere i go in my daily travels I'm struck by this one conspicuous phenomenon. In one of the most multicultural cities on the planet, where people are supposed to blind to colour, it is staggering to see the divisions in the workplace. Go to a franchaised coffee shop, go to a restaurant, go to the backrooms of hotels, both large and small, and witness discrimination at work. I used to go to this one coffee shop where all the patrons were white, and where every single employee behind the counter was someone of colour.

I'm sorry to bore people, but something needs to be said. Its appalling. I refuse to believe that all these people are there b/c thats all they're trained to do, or are capable of. I'm ashamed to live in this city at times.

You need to become color blind and not seeing people in terms of color. You're part of the problem, not the solution.

Truthmonger · August 2007

chopitdown wrote:

of course that's not all that they are trained to do or all they are capable of...but it would seem from your post it is all that they are doing.

Really, then maybe you can explain why virtually every black person I went through law school with couldn't find a job at a firm ?

chopitdown · August 2007

Truthmonger wrote:

Really, then maybe you can explain why virtually every black person I went through law school with couldn't find a job at a firm ?

i can't explain that, but from the initial post you put up you mentioned nothing about that. you kept it to the cleaning toilet jobs, so i responded in kind. If there really is some sort of discrimination going on, it really should be addressed.

surferdude · August 2007

Truthmonger wrote:

Really, then maybe you can explain why virtually every black person I went through law school with couldn't find a job at a firm ?

Because black clients feel more comfortable hiring white lawyers.???? Have you gone out of your way to not shop and eat at these stores and restaurants that have hiring practices you don't promote?

Know1 makes a very good point. You based your conclusion of racism on color of skin rather than looking at them as individuals and evaluating their skills, hopes and situations. Do you look at the NBA and denounce it as racist? Or do you only see racism as affecting non-whites?

CorporateWhore · August 2007

Truthmonger wrote:

Thanks for the laugh. That was funny.

Yeah this is pretty funny too:

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04057/277625.stm

Minority high school graduation rate just 50%

While we're talking about funny things, we could also discuss the level of crime and drug use in minority neighborhoods. That wouldn't have anything to do with lackluster job placement would it? Oh, but of course, that would be the conservatives' faults because they're just trying to hold down those "People of Colour."

Funny stuff, huh?

Truthmonger · August 2007

chopitdown wrote:

i can't explain that, but from the initial post you put up you mentioned nothing about that.

I didn't NEED to mention that. It was YOU who jumped to the brilliant conclusion that people are where they are b/c of where they presently are workwise. This is circular reasoning. I guess it never dawned on you that they may have done things in their lives meriting more than a cleaning job.

Truthmonger · August 2007

surferdude wrote:

Because black clients feel more comfortable hiring white lawyers.???? Have you gone out of your way to not shop and eat at these stores and restaurants that have hiring practices you don't promote?

Know1 makes a very good point. You based your conclusion of racism on color of skin rather than looking at them as individuals and evaluating their skills, hopes and situations. Do you look at the NBA and denounce it as racist? Or do you only see racism as affecting non-whites?

Ya, you're right, the hopes of most people of colour are to clean toilets all day and then retire to a shithole at night. Do you think the aspirations of blacks or others are that much different than the hopes of white people ? No, they're not. Thats common dog - get real. So why do they end up at the bottom of the ladder ? Are they just lazy ? Again, I'd venture not.

There are only so many good positions in any society. There is not, as some right-wingers might suggest, good jobs for all. This belief only serves to blame people of colour by saying, in essence, "hey, there's lots of good jobs out there, how come you don't have one ? Whats wrong with you". Its a joke.

Truthmonger · August 2007

CorporateWhore wrote:

Yeah this is pretty funny too:

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04057/277625.stm

Minority high school graduation rate just 50%

While we're talking about funny things, we could also discuss the level of crime and drug use in minority neighborhoods. That wouldn't have anything to do with lackluster job placement would it? Oh, but of course, that would be the conservatives' faults because they're just trying to hold down those "People of Colour."

Funny stuff, huh?

You make a good point, but even this fails to explain different things. For one thing, not all good positions come about from education. The workforce is far more complicated than that. Many people start their own businesses, or they work for their families, etc. In situations like this, there are huge grey areas where people flourish, or not, based on numerous things like connections to other relevent people, access to money, being given the benefit of the doubt, having cultural capital, etc. So education is a big factor, but its hardly the only one.

chopitdown · August 2007

Truthmonger wrote:

I didn't NEED to mention that. It was YOU who jumped to the brilliant conclusion that people are where they are b/c of where they presently are workwise. This is circular reasoning. I guess it never dawned on you that they may have done things in their lives meriting more than a cleaning job.

no, that's why i said in my first post they are trained in more than that and they are capable of more than that, it just appears from your very limited introduction that is what they are doing. It's like the person working on their masters degree working at a coffee shop. Sure they are trained for more and capable of more, but right now they are at a coffee shop for whatever reason.

Truthmonger · August 2007

chopitdown wrote:

no, that's why i said in my first post they are trained in more than that and they are capable of more than that, it just appears from your very limited introduction that is what they are doing. It's like the person working on their masters degree working at a coffee shop. Sure they are trained for more and capable of more, but right now they are at a coffee shop for whatever reason.

Dude, go back to watching The View. Really.

chopitdown · August 2007

Truthmonger wrote:

Dude, go back to watching The View. Really.

so let me get this straight. I agree with you that if there is something racially discriminatory going on something should be done and yet. You want a response? Sure not all of them are there b/c that's all they can do but some are. Some may have made terrible decisions while they were growing up and now can't get ahead. Some are probably being discriminated against too. So just relax and you'll see that we're f'ing agreeing.

surferdude · August 2007

Truthmonger wrote:

Ya, you're right, the hopes of most people of colour are to clean toilets all day and then retire to a shithole at night. Do you think the aspirations of blacks or others are that much different than the hopes of white people ? No, they're not. Thats common dog - get real. So why do they end up at the bottom of the ladder ? Are they just lazy ? Again, I'd venture not.

There are only so many good positions in any society. There is not, as some right-wingers might suggest, good jobs for all. This belief only serves to blame people of colour by saying, in essence, "hey, there's lots of good jobs out there, how come you don't have one ? Whats wrong with you". Its a joke.

See chopitdown's reply and the high school graduation figures link. By only looking at skin color rather than the individual you are seeing racism where it may not exist. Assuming racism is the cause is racist thinking on your part.

Truthmonger · August 2007

surferdude wrote:

See chopitdown's reply and the high school graduation figures link. By only looking at skin color rather than the individual you are seeing racism where it may not exist. Assuming racism is the cause is racist thinking on your part.

Your theory has some merit, but only when the numbers in question are small. It breaks down when you see huge numbers of people in the same positions. I doubt that they ALL have justifiable reasons for being in these positions.

Drowned Out · August 2007

Truthmonger wrote:

apparently, if you live in Toronto. Everywhere i go in my daily travels I'm struck by this one conspicuous phenomenon. In one of the most multicultural cities on the planet, where people are supposed to blind to colour, it is staggering to see the divisions in the workplace. Go to a franchaised coffee shop, go to a restaurant, go to the backrooms of hotels, both large and small, and witness discrimination at work. I used to go to this one coffee shop where all the patrons were white, and where every single employee behind the counter was someone of colour.

I'm sorry to bore people, but something needs to be said. Its appalling. I refuse to believe that all these people are there b/c thats all they're trained to do, or are capable of. I'm ashamed to live in this city at times.

I've noticed this a lot in Toronto, moreso than other cities. I would like to think that it has a lot to do with Toronto being the main influx point in Canada for immigrants. Lots of people getting on their feet. I don't think that is the only reason there is a discrepancy, but I'm sure it's a factor. There is absolutely no doubt that there are parts (if not all) of North America that discrimmination plays a HUGE roll in the workforce (I live in one). Also, as was mentioned earlier, white, upper-middle class nepotism has a lot to do with it....it's all who you know, right? Immigrants and minorities are at a big historical disadvantage.

CorporateWhore · August 2007

Truthmonger wrote:

I doubt that they ALL have justifiable reasons for being in these positions.

You forget that it is much easier to be lazy than it is to work hard.

Drowned Out · August 2007

CorporateWhore wrote:

You forget that it is much easier to be lazy than it is to work hard.

How could he forget? there are so many hard workin white folk on this board

ummm....what's your point?

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