USA - decides everything!

Byrnzie · December 2007

Solat13 wrote:

I just have a hard time calling the Soviet Union the heroes of World War II when they signed a neutrality agreement with Japan in 1941 and were totally not involved at all in the Pacific campaign - that is until Japan was right about to surrender after Hiroshima and then the Soviets break their neutrality agreement with Japan and capture 4 islands. Till this day, Russia and Japan have never signed a peace treaty so I guess World War 2 is still going on.

There's a reason Japan avoided any conflict with Russia in World War 2.

'Nomonhan', A.K.A, 'The Battle of Khalkhin Gol'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khalkhin_Gol
'Although this engagement is little-known in the West, it had profound implications on the conduct of World War II. It may be said to be the first decisive battle of World War II, because it determined that the two principal Axis Powers, Germany and Japan, would never geographically link up their areas of control through Russia. The defeat convinced the Imperial General Staff in Tokyo that the policy of the North Strike Group, favoured by the army, which wanted to seize Siberia as far as Lake Baikal for its resources, was untenable. Instead the South Strike Group, favored by the navy, which wanted to seize the resources of Southeast Asia, especially the petroleum and mineral-rich Dutch East Indies, gained the ascendancy, leading directly to the attack on Pearl Harbor two and a half years later in December 1941. The Japanese would never make an offensive movement towards Russia again. In 1941, the two countries signed agreements respecting the borders of Mongolia and Manchukuo[19] and pledging neutrality towards each other.[20] They remained at peace until Operation August Storm and the Soviet conquest of Manchuria in August 1945, in the final weeks of the war.

It was the first victory for the soon-to-be-famous Soviet general Georgy Zhukov, earning him the first of his four Hero of the Soviet Union awards. Zhukov himself was promoted and transferred west to the Kiev district. The battle experience gained by Zhukov was put to good use in December 1941 at the Battle of Moscow. Zhukov was able to use this experience to launch the first successful Soviet counteroffensive against the German invasion of 1941. Many units of the Siberian and other trans-Ural armies were part of this attack, and the decision to move the divisions from Siberia was aided by the Soviet masterspy Richard Sorge in Tokyo, who was able to alert the Soviet government that the Japanese were looking south and were unlikely to launch another attack against Siberia in the immediate future. A year after flinging the Germans back from the capital, Zhukov planned and executed the Red Army's offensive at the Battle of Stalingrad, using a technique very similar to Khalkin Gol, in which the Soviet forces held the enemy fixed in the center, built up a mass of force in the area undetected, and launched a pincer attack on the wings to trap the enemy army.'

bootlegger10 · December 2007

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Reminds me of a scenario where someone works their whole life to pay off a mortgage then a stranger walks in and writes a them cheque for final $5 split up along with a few other people and exclaims.."see look at the house Ijust bought for you...aren't you lucky!!"

good lord...

Make that joke around a WWII US Vet and you'll get your assed handed to you. It is fun to spend your life in front of a computer screen instead of actually doing something.

bootlegger10 · December 2007

Byrnzie wrote:

You can begin by looking at 4 key events - The battle of Moscow, The battle of Stalingrad, the battle of Kursk, and the battle of Berlin. Each of these battles eclipsed D-day ten-fold. And in each of these battles more soldiers and civilians were killed than the U.S lost in the entire war.

See, now you are making an argument.

jlew24asu · December 2007

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

my god you're a tad dense...

my god do you bring anything to the table? if there was ever more of a definition of a follower then a leader.....I mean really. you hop on the back of byzine whenever he goes american and israel bashing and suck on drfitins cock everytime he makes a ron paul thread as if that mean anything to you to being with.

do you have a spine? thats what we use to walk on our own 2 feet

Anon · December 2007

Viggo wrote:

You know what is so god damn sad? We can't vote for the president in USA. The president of your country will eventually decide how my future will be. I never voted Bush, but our soldiers are now in Afghanistan.

Thats messed up...

No. The Prime Minister of YOUR country decided to send the troops to Afghanistan.

See i have heard these same thoughts aired so many times in Australia too. While i absolutely hated that Bush seemed to leave his anal probe further and further up John Howards butt as his time in office went by, i do not blame American and George Bush for a decision that our Prime Minister at the time made. He could've said no. New Zealand did. The Australian Government CHOSE to send the soldiers to Afghanistan and Iraq. I assume your Government did the same. It seems it's so easy to blame everything on America.

I live in the US now and i just want to say to some of you haters out there, every single country in the world has it's problems and every single country does things that at some time or another we are never going to fully agree on. From what i have experienced and seen, there is a lot more good than bad here in the USA, but for some reason no one ever wants to talk about the good.

RolandTD20Kdrummer · December 2007

bootlegger10 wrote:

Make that joke around a WWII US Vet and you'll get your assed handed to you. It is fun to spend your life in front of a computer screen instead of actually doing something.

That's not a joke but actually an accurate perspective on reality.

RolandTD20Kdrummer · December 2007

jlew24asu wrote:

my god do you bring anything to the table? if there was ever more of a definition of a follower then a leader.....I mean really. you hop on the back of byzine whenever he goes american and israel bashing and suck on drfitins cock everytime he makes a ron paul thread as if that mean anything to you to being with.

do you have a spine? thats what we use to walk on our own 2 feet

You want I should recreate history? That facts speak for themselves. You should learn to admit when you're wrong in your abilities to perceive situations accurately, which seems to be pretty often from my observations.

Solat13 · December 2007

Byrnzie wrote:

There's a reason Japan avoided any conflict with Russia in World War 2.

'Nomonhan', A.K.A, 'The Battle of Khalkhin Gol'.

I wasn't posting about why Japan never attacked the Soviet Union, but rather why the Soviets never supported their Allies in the theater of the Pacific leaving the UK and America to fight a two front war. And then that the Soviets jumped in two days after Hiroshima after the war was over in all practical terms for their own gains.

It just seems odd that while many of the Allies were fighting in campaigns all over the globe that the Soviets were pretty much only fighting for their own best interests until it became convenient for them to enter the Pacific theater. It seems odd that a country would totally respect a neutrality pact with a country that was at war with its Allies. If the Soviets never would have attacked Japan at the end I wouldn't even have brought it up.

The Soviets also cooperated with Germany in the invasion of Poland in 1939 and only after Germany invaded them in June 0f 1941 did they join the Allies.

I mean there was more to WW2 than just Europe.

NMyTree · December 2007

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

You want I should recreate history? That facts speak for themselves. You should learn to admit when you're wrong in your abilities to perceive situations accurately, which seems to be pretty often from my observations.

He's not interested in facts or historical facts. Not exactly a spokesman for self-awareness, either.

Apparently, his mind is pre-occupied with visions of cock-sucking and big, stiff missles with red-shiny heads dropping down on Iran or whatever country he hates the mostl, this week.

know1 · December 2007

Viggo wrote:

I like your music, movies, Alaska, Hawaii, but there is some things that I dislike as well:

1. Which Nation spent millions of dollars to send two men to the moon, then sent 10 more people, before they realised it was just a barren rock?

2. In which country do chainsaw manufactures find it necessary to put disclaimers like "do not attempt to stop the saw whilst it is activated with your hands." AND, get taken to court by a man who tried to stop a chainsaw with his hand because it didn't say not to in the manual (which, for those American's amongst you, it did). What makes this story really ironic was that when the brand of chainsaw manufacturers first release there chainsaws in America, it was noticed that it was significantly larger than the original, because of things like the aforementioned warnings, in fact there was even an story on it on American TV news. They thought it was very funny that the manufactures thought that they were so stupid they needed these warnings. Strangely, there was little in the news about the court case that followed.

3. How about the American that phoned up his computer manufacturer to say that his cup-holder had broken? "Cup-holder? What cup holder??" "Well, you push a button on the front and it comes out. And when I put a cup of coffee in it, it broke." Once again, for the yanks; It was actually his CD drive. Duh.

4. Who has to write "London, England" along the bottom of all their films when they show a shot of Big Ben, or "Paris, France" when shown a picture of the Eiffel Tower?

5. Which country makes you fill in a questionnaire asking questions like "were you in or around the area of Nazi Germany between 1939 and 1945?" Or "are you entering the United States with the intent of committing criminal or terrorist activities?" Before granting a Visa?

6. In what country would a person invent a new sport, then think to himself "I know, I'll give this sport the same name as another sport, even though it is far less appropriate for this sport than the other sport, which already has the name."

7. On the subject of sport, the "World series" which only Americans are allowed to enter.

8. Who thought "I know, lets invent a weapon that is so powerful, there is no way to defend against it, that's powerful enough to destroy whole cities in one go." Oh, and "that will make the area unfit for habitation for years after it has been used, and, in fact will end up giving people in this country cancer, and other unpleasant diseases."???? Eh?

9. "Duck and cover."

10. When shop assistants, or maybe people working at Mac Donald's come and ask "may I help you sir?" or whatever, only in America do you really get the feeling that the person really would like to help you. Rather than anything else they could be doing, they would prefer to be right there, helping you.

11. All Dollar notes are the same, except for the number, meaning that it's impossible for blind people to tell them apart. Also, what is a "Dime" worth? It doesn't say on the coin. Are you somehow just supposed to know? Is it obvious? It isn't to me...

This might be one of the least intelligent posts I've ever seen on this board. Apparently nobody in Norway does anything that doesn't make a lot of common sense?

Viggo · December 2007

I'm sorry to have started this silly discussion. To be honest, I realize now, that I am being just the oppossite of what I believe in. Some kind of patrotism, or no, call it nationalism, which is scary.

I'm sorry...

(I know I have said some dumb shit)...

RolandTD20Kdrummer · December 2007

NMyTree wrote:

He's not interested in facts or historical facts. Not exactly a spokesman for self-awareness, either.

Apparently, his mind is pre-occupied with visions of cock-sucking and big, stiff missles with red-shiny heads dropping down on Iran or whatever country he hates the mostl, this week.

Textbook crypto-fascist imo.

jlew24asu · December 2007

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Textbook crypto-fascist imo.

awwww shucks. you big lug you.

my2hands · December 2007

america could drop a nuclear weapon on switzerland, bring back slavery, and imprison infants and some americans would still say "fuck yeah, we are #1, look how free we are"!!!!

jlew24asu · December 2007

my2hands wrote:

america could drop a nuclear weapon on switzerland, bring back slavery, and imprison infants and some americans would still say "fuck yeah, we are #1, look how free we are"!!!!

:rolleyes:

Anon · December 2007

my2hands wrote:

america could drop a nuclear weapon on switzerland, bring back slavery, and imprison infants and some americans would still say "fuck yeah, we are #1, look how free we are"!!!!

You know, you're right. Some probably would. And they are just idiots. Every country has them, it's not fair to judge a whole country on the actions/thoughts of some.

jlew24asu · December 2007

Pj_Gurl wrote:

You know, you're right. Some probably would. And they are just idiots. Every country has them, it's not fair to judge a whole country on the actions/thoughts of some.

no he's not right. there is no one in this country that would approve of any of the ridiculous things he mentioned.

BinFrog · December 2007

jlew24asu wrote:

how about some good? we done any of that around the world?

Nah.

Almost single handedly ended both world wars.

Got Iraq out of Kuwait.

Spent hundreds of billions in humanitarian aid (tsunami relief, poverty, aids in Africa, Darfur, etc)

Took Noriega out of power.

Jazz.

Allowed their citizens the freedom to uselessly post on message boards such as this without the threat of censorship. Go to Pakistan or China and make a thread about how useless the government and country are. See how long your posting career lasts.

Allowed millions of immigrants into our country over time, which is what our country has been based upon since its inception.

But I mean, other that that what else? Clearly we've done nothing to help the world over time.

We've made mistakes. So have every country in the world. When another country gets in the power seat like the US is in right now, let's see how they react. I don't condone all of our actions, and I am vehemently against the war in Iraq and our current administration, but for the love of god...our country as a whole (especially over time) is not some big monster leaving a trail of destruction in its path.

jlew24asu · December 2007

BinFrog wrote:

Nah.

Almost single handedly ended both world wars.

Got Iraq out of Kuwait.

Spent hundreds of billions in humanitarian aid (tsunami relief, poverty, aids in Africa, Darfur, etc)

Took Noriega out of power.

Jazz.

Allowed their citizens the freedom to uselessly post on message boards such as this without the threat of censorship. Go to Pakistan or China and make a thread about how useless the government and country are. See how long your posting career lasts.

Allowed millions of immigrants into our country over time, which is what our country has been based upon since its inception.

But I mean, other that that what else? Clearly we've done nothing to help the world over time.

We've made mistakes. So have every country in the world. When another country gets in the power seat like the US is in right now, let's see how they react. I don't condone all of our actions, and I am vehemently against the war in Iraq and our current administration, but for the love of god...our country as a whole (especially over time) is not some big monster leaving a trail of destruction in its path.

Jazz!! Chicago gets the credit for that one! good post, glad to see someone gets it.

BinFrog · December 2007

Viggo wrote:

1. Which Nation spent millions of dollars to send two men to the moon, then sent 10 more people, before they realised it was just a barren rock?

2. In which country do chainsaw manufactures find it necessary to put disclaimers like "do not attempt to stop the saw whilst it is activated with your hands............................

3. How about the American that phoned up his computer manufacturer to say that his cup-holder had broken? "Cup-holder? What cup holder??" "Well, you push a button on the front and it comes out. And when I put a cup of coffee in it, it broke." Once again, for the yanks; It was actually his CD drive. Duh.

4. Who has to write "London, England" along the bottom of all their films when they show a shot of Big Ben, or "Paris, France" when shown a picture of the Eiffel Tower?

5. Which country makes you fill in a questionnaire asking questions like "were you in or around the area of Nazi Germany between 1939 and 1945?" Or "are you entering the United States with the intent of committing criminal or terrorist activities?" Before granting a Visa?

6. In what country would a person invent a new sport, then think to himself "I know, I'll give this sport the same name as another sport, even though it is far less appropriate for this sport than the other sport, which already has the name."

7. On the subject of sport, the "World series" which only Americans are allowed to enter.

8. Who thought "I know, lets invent a weapon that is so powerful, there is no way to defend against it, that's powerful enough to destroy whole cities in one go." Oh, and "that will make the area unfit for habitation for years after it has been used, and, in fact will end up giving people in this country cancer, and other unpleasant diseases."???? Eh?

9. "Duck and cover."

10. When shop assistants, or maybe people working at Mac Donald's come and ask "may I help you sir?" or whatever, only in America do you really get the feeling that the person really would like to help you. Rather than anything else they could be doing, they would prefer to be right there, helping you.

11. All Dollar notes are the same, except for the number, meaning that it's impossible for blind people to tell them apart. Also, what is a "Dime" worth? It doesn't say on the coin. Are you somehow just supposed to know? Is it obvious? It isn't to me...

1) Boy, traveling into outer space and landing on another entity sure is bad for mankind.

2) EVERY single country in the world has stories about product labels like these. I've seen far worse in Europe, Japan, China, etc.

3) How about urban legends?

4) Gee, you got me on that one. I'll call Spielberg right now and get the 411.

5) No response to this one. Just stupid...

6) This coming from a citizen of a country whose ancestors used to kill people and then use their skulls for beer steins.

7) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_World_Series

8) Along with the USSR, we just had the means to make A-bombs first. Look at all the copycats now...they would have gotten there on their own eventually.

9) See #5

10) See #9 and #5

11) We all know what dimes are worth, and blind people get along just fine.

Thanks for playing. I want parting gifts.

USA - decides everything!

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