Saay NO to violence against women!

meme wrote:

I am appalled by surferdude and know1's posts.
Do you guys realize that until the mid-70s domestic violence and rape could not be prosecuted in Italy, and that rape was a crime against morals instead of a crime against a person? That's still the case in many countries.

Wake up, dudes :rolleyes:

I'll keep that in mind if I'm ever living in Italy era mid-70's.

When more violent crime is perpetuated against men please explain why I should petition that violence agianst women being made a top priority for government. Shouldn't the non-sexist priority of government be the prevention of violent crime?

surferdude wrote:

According to US stats as of 2005 (see link http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/cvus0501.pdf page 15) men are more often the victim of violent crime then women. Is there any reason why women should be singled out for action by government when men are the majority victim?

I'm all for governments working to end violence but see no reason why violence aganst women should have any higher priority than violence against men.

It also appears that children are less often the victims of violence than adults. So can we finally stop those age-discriminatory anti-child abuse campaigns?

In general should it not be more: 'No to Violence' as opposed to just one sphere. Ok, I dont fully realize the plight in foreign lands but in the UK Ive seen billboards concerning domestic violence pasted up in underground stations and they fuck me off, Ive never done it so why should I have to look at it. In these here parts your talking about dysfunctional persons, very often with alcohol issues who just do not know any better. Literally there are scores of people male & female who understand only one language, and that is violence. To differentiate between the male & the female helps the cycle to repeat itself and that is simply because they are often as bad as each other. Certainly there exists many situations where women are through no fault of their own (maybe in judging character) put in terrible posistions but it does no good to paint a standard image. The guy who knocks the shit outta his wife after a guful of bevys....what was his mother?

Uncle Leo wrote:

It also appears that children are less often the victims of violence than adults.

You do know an intelligent person would expect this based on demographics?

fragileblake wrote:

A+ Logic. Now I know why I hated Hotel Rwanda. I've never committed genocide so why should I care? Stupid Don Cheadle.......

I need to return the "best post" compliment to you. Well done.

A. Its not as if people are saying that only violence against women is bad.

B. Its been stated before by myself and others: there are specific kinds of violence (ie Rape and Domestic Violence) that disproportionaly affect women. All people want to do is draw attention to is this specific issue.

Following your logic and going back to my past analogy:

Man, that movie Hotel Rwanda sucked because it didn't talk about Darfur or the Holocaust. Don Cheadle sucks......

Ahnimus wrote:

Is there something wrong with saying no to violence in general?

Is there any reason at all for restricting our discontent to the violence that is perpetrated against women and not men?

Don't say there is more violence against women, because that is not true. And men and women aren't distinct behavioral groups. It's not like men run around stabbing people uncontrollably while women are all 100% innocent.

- "Saying NO to violence"
- "Equal rights by gender"

Both important issues with worldwide ramifications. I wish feminazis and feminists alike would stop confusing the two issues.

prism wrote:

...Domestic Violence laws state that if a women fights back in ANY way; be that hitting back, scratching, shoving, pulling hair etc. as she's getting the shit beat out of her she gets arrested and charged with domestic violence too.

WHAT???????????? :(

soulsinging wrote:

im sorry, but i dont believe that for a second.

don't believe me? all you gotta do is catch an occasional episode of cops. they DO get arrested and charged though the charges usually DO get dropped.

also:


One of the effects of stricter laws and policies directing police to treat domestic violence as serious violent crime has been skyrocketing arrest rates of women for domestic violence. In some police departments the percentage of domestic violence arrests of females has shot up to 30 to 40 percent of the arrests. What's most revealing about this massive shift toward arresting more females is the fact that conviction rates for males vs. females remains basically unchanged. Between 90 and 95 percent of domestic violence convictions continue to be convictions of males. Or looking at it from another angle, a study in San Diego found that in cases in which females were arrested for domestic violence, only 6% of those cases resulted in prosecution.

What these and many other studies strongly suggest is that the evidence in most female arrests is so flimsy or non-existent that prosecutors can't justify filing charges, or even if the prosecutor does file, the evidence doesn't stand up in court and the case is quickly dismissed. Clearly, in a significant number of these cases, the officers are mistakenly arresting the victim of domestic violence and not the perpetrator. This is also the conclusion that we and many other victim advocates around the country have come to in dealing with these cases on a day by day basis. All too often, when women are arrested for domestic violence you're dealing with a victim who has been mistakenly designated as a perpetrator.

Women's advocates around the country feel the skyrocketing arrests of females for domestic violence stems from a combination of causes. In some cases outright officer hostility against women, or officer resentment of having to treat domestic violence as serious crime, motivates the arrest. In other cases officers are failing to properly determine the dominant aggressor. In a common variation of this problem, the officer fails to correctly identify defensive wounds and as a result they are arresting women who defend themselves, especially those women who defend themselves successfully. And in another whole set of cases, there are indications that domestic violence perpetrators themselves have gotten increasingly sophisticated at turning the law on women by doing such things as calling 911 themselves or by purposely injuring themselves before police arrive.

To be sure, there are cases in which the arrest of a female for domestic violence is a legitimate arrest. But the observations of victim advocates and studies around the country indicate that in a high proportion of female arrests, it is a domestic violence victim who has been mistakenly arrested.