So I just watched SiCKO...

brokendave wrote:

Here is the link :: http://joox.net/cat/2/id/1310617

It is time we used the momentum of this movie and made damn sure that we create a fair and functional socialized health care system in the United States NOW!

Imagine what we could accomplish if we were no longer afraid of being in danger when we speak out? Face it, the reason you don't push for better in this country is because you don't want to rock the boat and become marginalized... possibly losing your job... and losing your health care... If you knew you'd be taken care of if you lost your job... at least in the way of health... wouldn't you stand?

If you stand behind the issue of universal health care, then the least you can do is get 2 people (who wouldn't normally watch) to go and see it with you... If you can't do the least, then why the hell do you even care? For those of you who can do more, lets rise up and begin nation wide protests demanding universal health care now!

No thanks. I firmly believe universal or socialized healthcare would be even worse than what we have.

I think we should outlaw health insurance and let doctors and institutions compete for patients who have to pay out of their own pockets.

I do want to see this movie, which is something I never thought i'd say about MM; what I'd like to know is does he offer ideas on how to change it or is it just a bitch fest about healthcare? I honestly don't think the country can survive funding for universal healthcare w/o drastic changes in a lot of different areas. While universal healthcare is attractive I think, depending on how it is implemented, that it may make the divide b/t the upper and lower / middle class even more pronounced.

Specifics wrote:

How would you feel if your tax dollars went towards keeping everyone alive and well, and you had to pay "defense insurance" to build a military to go secure Iraq?

Probably about the same way I do now - I'd be against it.

Byrnzie wrote:

That's an interesting view. Care to explain why you think this way?

I believe that the health insurance industry is the biggest inflator of medical costs. It is in its best interest to "insure" that nobody can afford to pay for anything - even a simple routine check-up - without insurance.

If people had to pay for most medical items - prescriptions, treatments, doctor visits, etc., then I believe the market would cause the prices to be lower. Are doctors really going to keep their rates that high and have very few, if any, patients? I do not believe they would.

Furthermore, we're really all paying for them now anyways - just spread out over monthly insurance premiums....AND we're adding in the profit for the health insurance companies, so we're really paying more.

I think there would be some merit in catastrophic health insurance for major illnesses or injuries, but the premiums should be lower than what we've got now.

bootlegger10 wrote:

You all have no respect for anything. The movie isn't even out yet and you all think that because you exist that you deserve to watch for free and distribute it. Self-entitled bitches.

To clarify for the irony catchers, my board name represents the official bootlegs, nothing illegal.

Why don't you pay $8 like a decent human being? Is that too difficult? Can you afford that while you are sitting in your parents basements burning stuff off of the internet?

without the related name calling - probably the one time i agree with dude ...

it's stealing ... but i guess property rights are subject to one's personal belief these days ...

know1 wrote:

It sounds good on paper, but I'd honestly be opposed to it for a couple of reasons. One is that I do not believe government should be involved in this - or many, many, many other things it's involved in.

And second, because you can't force people to be fit and healthy against their will. If we're going to subsidize everyone's health, then we ought to be able to dictate how they should keep themselves healthy - ie. no smoking, drinking, strictly controlled diet, plenty of exercise, etc.

ok fair enough, i change the words then you fucker!

Would you prefer it if Healthcare was paid for by taxes, and war was funded by donations/charity?

It's the only option you have, it's yes or no, war or healthcare?

Ahnimus wrote:

Property crimes happen for a reason.

I'll be damned if Michael Moore can only afford 3 bodyguards instead of his usual 6. Or if he can only afford to eat for 9 people instead of the usual 25. /sarcasm

it's not necessarily money that would have went to moore ... it's the trickle down effect ... the big losers are the exhibitors ... and stores that sell dvds ...

Specifics wrote:

ok fair enough, i change the words then you fucker!

Would you prefer it if Healthcare was paid for by taxes, and war was funded by donations/charity?

It's the only option you have, it's yes or no, war or healthcare?

It would be the lesser of two evils for me (healthcare over war), but I'm still against it.

Like I said, though, I'm opposed to the government having its hands in most of the things it does. Government is the biggest waste of money, time, etc., and it should be focusing on just the barest of basics in my opinion - making/enforcing laws, infrastructure, and defense (the key being "defense"). I don't think the government should be involved in anything else.

Yea, universal health care is so bad, us Canadians are fighting against it... NOT!

I will submit however that not everything is free in Canada, that is a blatant lie and I don't see how Moore could make that claim. Average cost of an ambulance ride $50. I have a health insurance plan through my work that covers 80% of my drugs and dental work. I still pay 20% and people who do not have these health plans pay 100%. The OHIP does not cover everything, only serious problems. I had a sebacious cyst behind one of my ears and OHIP would not cover it, however the cost to have it lanced was only $100. Conversely when I was a child and suffered a collision with a truck, my parents did not pay for any of the reconstructive surgery, the hospital stay, the orthodontal work or anything.

I don't mind paying the taxes for healthcare, especially since I pay less taxes than the average American. But our healthcare system is not the best. It seems to make judgements based on age and health. A 50 year old who has suffered a disability is less likely to get care than a 20 year old. That is something I lobbied to correct, but my efforts were fruitless.

polaris wrote:

it's not necessarily money that would have went to moore ... it's the trickle down effect ... the big losers are the exhibitors ... and stores that sell dvds ...

They need to make them cheaper.

Take tax fraud as an example, if taxes are too high, tax fraud increases, there is a magic mark where no tax fraud occurs, given a balanced economy.

Due to capitalism and the top 2% of the population owning 80% of the wealth. Its inevitable that fraud and property theft will occur. If "SiCKO" cost $5.99, I would buy it, but I won't even pay $7.99 to rent it. Its not worth it.

It really doesn't matter to me. If its too pricey I won't buy it, so either way they are losing my business. The millions of people that pirate music and movies do it-by enlarge-because they cannot afford to purchase the products and would not purchase them regardless. However, I have purchased films and music which I've previously pirated, granted I found them entertaining.

To be honest, this film "SiCKO" is barely worth the bandwidth I spent buffering it.