The only Canadians who "flood" American hospitals are rich Canadians who can't wait a week or a month to get a non-critical MRI . .
or those "non-critical" hip replacments, or organ transplants..
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
are you as disappointed as I am that Rush is out for the week?
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
IMO, the problem is with the lying, greedy people we put in office, not the system itself. The system can be used much more efficiently by people who actually have an interest in working for the people... not just the rich ones who buy them off. And the ones that would actually make great leaders are called 'long shots' and 'vanity candidates'. :rolleyes:
Unfortunately, reality has proven that there are a series of broken systems here. The electoral system is clearly broken, the labor and economic system is clearly broken and as a result the health care system is broken. So to fix it, we have to use the propagandistic charade that our government has been using for centuries against them, which is the illusion of democracy. They will give it to us if we all move together on this.
There is no reason not to, we have nothing to lose. To wait until we can fix the other problems could take 100 years. Think of how many people will suffer and die in that time...
And I don't trust wealthy private sector "guys". I trust good people who I think would do a better job.
I trust the private sector over the govt...i don't believe that people working for the state a re "good" people, and I don't believe that people working for private industry are "good" people...but at least the latter are behaving on incentives....i'll trust my well-being to that over govt any day.
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
but 'll be persuaded if you can point to an efficient government program.
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
yet you want to dump endless amounts of $ into the largest government operation. the military.
or are you saying our troops are inefficient?
ok, my team = fbi, cia, and dod....
your team is HUD, social securit dept, and any other social agency...heck, pick your own team of socialized govt agencies, then you tell me who is efficient.
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
I wonder how many times you'll need to ask this question before someone will finally concede that it is unanswerable.
Even Yoda thinks this response is enviable!
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Abook is a cool poster and is passionate about her beliefs, don't be afraid to engage just b/c you disagree...You don't learn a helluva lot from people you agree with. Trust me, i have as many stereotypes about people on the other side of the spectrum as you do, but try to figure out "perspective."
I've engaged everyone on this forum. I hang out with a black guy, a gay black guy, a white guy, and two white girls. I love each and every one of them. I, a man, said it. Does that scare you? Four are liberals, 1's a "neocon" (as if there were anything else), and the other is a fence riding moderate. I'll let you play a game and place the proverbial political tails on the correct persons. I have the political grapevine delivered to me first-class. So please, I don't need lectures from anyone about "perspective." My political beliefs are far from right-wing, but that's the fancy little game you play by voting for Bush and thinking Al Gore's a nut job. You're either pro-Bush or you hate the world here. There's no inbetween. Trust me. We may find some common ground from time to time on the latest flavor of Ben & Jerry's ice cream but no one here wants to hear me talk about immigration or the economy... I voted for Bush.
Besides, Abook just hates me. :( Everyone has someone that hates them. It's a fact of life. I'm currently working on finding a Hispanic friend so I can finally satisfy the needed requirements to enter the liberal circle of trust.
"Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
sure, dial 911 and tell them someone just broke into your home with a gun. hang up and wait 2-3 minutes
only one gun? hahaha....waste of my time i'd have a rotiserrie going wellll before "help" arrived
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
your team is HUD, social securit dept, and any other social agency...heck, pick your own team of socialized govt agencies, then you tell me who is efficient.
so your team spies on americans, fucked up the intel for the iraq invasion, didnt prevent 9/11, tortures people, operates secret prisons throughout the world, and wastes godly amounts of money on failed projects that we could list all day (see missile defense). give me a fucking break. do you even know what your talking about. i find out more and more of the "free market solves everything" guys have no clue what they are talking about.
their typical stance is no money for food, health care, or housing. but provide unlimited $ for the military
what's you definition of torture? is waterboarding torture? b/c if that's your opinion, let's agree to disagree....
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
so your team spies ... fucked up the intel for the iraq invasion,
what intell did we "fuck up" on? do you honestly believe Iraq's WMD's aren't in Syria right now? If so, yeah dude.
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
so your team spies on americans, fucked up the intel for the iraq invasion, didnt prevent 9/11, tortures people, operates secret prisons throughout the world, and wastes godly amounts of money on failed projects that we could list all day (see missile defense). give me a fucking break. do you even know what your talking about. i find out more and more of the "free market solves everything" guys have no clue what they are talking about.
their typical stance is no money for food, health care, or housing. but provide unlimited $ for the military
Stalin was efficient.
And, "and wastes godly amounts of money on failed projects that we could list all day (see missile defense)" is more of a fill-in-the-blank answer than a statement. Government has always wasted money. This one is no different.
I thought Bush lied? Or was the intel just fucked?
And damn... didn't prevent 9/11? The only difference between 2001 and 1993 is the fucking towers didn't fall...
lol And boy oh boy... I'd absolutely love to tell you about the way money is pissed away in the housing sector. HUD, Section 8, ohhh my2hands... Do you even know?
"Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Careful you don't give Hawk the ol' "Cheney gave Saddam WMDs in the 80's" speech, my2. You'll ruin your argument.
FUCK HALLIBURTON!!!!!
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
And, "and wastes godly amounts of money on failed projects that we could list all day (see missile defense)" is more of a fill-in-the-blank answer than a statement. Government has always wasted money. This one is no different.
I thought Bush lied? Or was the intel just fucked?
And damn... didn't prevent 9/11? The only difference between 2001 and 1993 is the fucking towers didn't fall...
lol And boy oh boy... I'd absolutely love to tell you about the way money is pissed away in the housing sector. HUD, Section 8, ohhh my2hands... Do you even know?
bush did lie. bit i figured you guys believe your short friends bullshit so i ran with it.
and it is always the social programs with you guys. you never, ever fucking mention corporate welfare. like the billions we hand the energy industry every year. and yes, i am familiar with the welfare/HUD/section 8 programs. i have worked for quite some time with a mostly poor population.
ding ding ding, fund them properly and they would be efficient
bottom line is i nailed your guys questions.
If response time is your only measurement of efficiency, and funds are unlimited, then I agree. But I'm thinking we define "efficiency" and "nailed" differently.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
Careful you don't give Hawk the ol' "Cheney gave Saddam WMDs in the 80's" speech, my2. You'll ruin your argument.
they were disbanded as part of Gulf War 1 defeat and the follwoing sanctions and ongoing UN inspections. you guys need to start fucking reading or something
bush did lie. bit i figured you guys believe your short friends bullshit so i ran with it.
and it is always the social programs with you guys. you never, ever fucking mention corporate welfare. like the billions we hand the energy industry every year. and yes, i am familiar with the welfare/HUD/section 8 programs. i have worked for quite some time with a mostly poor population.
You shouldn't figure. That's what Abook does. It's annoying.
As for the welfare/HUD/section 8 programs... Yes. I understand your point of view. Just because governemnt hands big energy billions every year doesn't mean universal health care works.
I understand this country MUST build more refineries. I understand big oil has a hand in the price of gas at the pump. I also understand it does not have a hand in the prices we pay for crude from the Middle East. Most any issue is a bigger web than the headlines we like to drop off onto each other. That's understood. If you keep digging you'll find that my political beliefs extend a bit further than my support of the war in Iraq. The same can be said from the opposing point of view.
Psssst! I'm not religious either.
"Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Besides, Abook just hates me. :( Everyone has someone that hates them. It's a fact of life. I'm currently working on finding a Hispanic friend so I can finally satisfy the needed requirements to enter the liberal circle of trust.
I don't hate you... I find the way you keep bringing me up to be quite flattering. I replied to you in the Iraq War Vet thread and ever since you've flipped out playing the part of some drama queen victim and acting as if I have it out for you...get over yourself. Just reply to posts if you feel the need and don't worry about me personally...I'll be sure to return the favor.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
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or those "non-critical" hip replacments, or organ transplants..
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
are you as disappointed as I am that Rush is out for the week?
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Unfortunately, reality has proven that there are a series of broken systems here. The electoral system is clearly broken, the labor and economic system is clearly broken and as a result the health care system is broken. So to fix it, we have to use the propagandistic charade that our government has been using for centuries against them, which is the illusion of democracy. They will give it to us if we all move together on this.
There is no reason not to, we have nothing to lose. To wait until we can fix the other problems could take 100 years. Think of how many people will suffer and die in that time...
WE NEED A UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE SYSTEM NOW!
I trust the private sector over the govt...i don't believe that people working for the state a re "good" people, and I don't believe that people working for private industry are "good" people...but at least the latter are behaving on incentives....i'll trust my well-being to that over govt any day.
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
i strongly disagree...i
but 'll be persuaded if you can point to an efficient government program.
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
you should try it some time, its a hoot :cool:
I wonder how many times you'll need to ask this question before someone will finally concede that it is unanswerable.
sure, dial 911 and tell them someone just broke into your home with a gun. hang up and wait 2-3 minutes
sure, call your local fire department and tell them your house is on fire. wait 3-5 minutes. your answer should be on its way
yet you want to dump endless amounts of $ into the largest government operation. the military.
or are you saying our troops are inefficient?
ok, my team = fbi, cia, and dod....
your team is HUD, social securit dept, and any other social agency...heck, pick your own team of socialized govt agencies, then you tell me who is efficient.
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Even Yoda thinks this response is enviable!
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
I've engaged everyone on this forum. I hang out with a black guy, a gay black guy, a white guy, and two white girls. I love each and every one of them. I, a man, said it. Does that scare you? Four are liberals, 1's a "neocon" (as if there were anything else), and the other is a fence riding moderate. I'll let you play a game and place the proverbial political tails on the correct persons. I have the political grapevine delivered to me first-class. So please, I don't need lectures from anyone about "perspective." My political beliefs are far from right-wing, but that's the fancy little game you play by voting for Bush and thinking Al Gore's a nut job. You're either pro-Bush or you hate the world here. There's no inbetween. Trust me. We may find some common ground from time to time on the latest flavor of Ben & Jerry's ice cream but no one here wants to hear me talk about immigration or the economy... I voted for Bush.
Besides, Abook just hates me. :( Everyone has someone that hates them. It's a fact of life. I'm currently working on finding a Hispanic friend so I can finally satisfy the needed requirements to enter the liberal circle of trust.
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
only one gun? hahaha....waste of my time
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Depends on where you live. Many fire departments are complaining of decreasing funding and are turning to a part or full volunteer staff.
so your team spies on americans, fucked up the intel for the iraq invasion, didnt prevent 9/11, tortures people, operates secret prisons throughout the world, and wastes godly amounts of money on failed projects that we could list all day (see missile defense). give me a fucking break. do you even know what your talking about. i find out more and more of the "free market solves everything" guys have no clue what they are talking about.
their typical stance is no money for food, health care, or housing. but provide unlimited $ for the military
what's you definition of torture? is waterboarding torture? b/c if that's your opinion, let's agree to disagree....
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
ding ding ding, fund them properly and they would be efficient
bottom line is i nailed your guys questions.
what intell did we "fuck up" on? do you honestly believe Iraq's WMD's aren't in Syria right now? If so, yeah dude.
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
no, handcuffing them to the ground and shoving things up their ass is torture. as is raping prisoners
you have to be fucking kidding
Stalin was efficient.
And, "and wastes godly amounts of money on failed projects that we could list all day (see missile defense)" is more of a fill-in-the-blank answer than a statement. Government has always wasted money. This one is no different.
I thought Bush lied? Or was the intel just fucked?
And damn... didn't prevent 9/11? The only difference between 2001 and 1993 is the fucking towers didn't fall...
lol And boy oh boy... I'd absolutely love to tell you about the way money is pissed away in the housing sector. HUD, Section 8, ohhh my2hands... Do you even know?
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
Careful you don't give Hawk the ol' "Cheney gave Saddam WMDs in the 80's" speech, my2. You'll ruin your argument.
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
FUCK HALLIBURTON!!!!!
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
bush did lie. bit i figured you guys believe your short friends bullshit so i ran with it.
and it is always the social programs with you guys. you never, ever fucking mention corporate welfare. like the billions we hand the energy industry every year. and yes, i am familiar with the welfare/HUD/section 8 programs. i have worked for quite some time with a mostly poor population.
If response time is your only measurement of efficiency, and funds are unlimited, then I agree. But I'm thinking we define "efficiency" and "nailed" differently.
they were disbanded as part of Gulf War 1 defeat and the follwoing sanctions and ongoing UN inspections. you guys need to start fucking reading or something
You shouldn't figure. That's what Abook does. It's annoying.
As for the welfare/HUD/section 8 programs... Yes. I understand your point of view. Just because governemnt hands big energy billions every year doesn't mean universal health care works.
I understand this country MUST build more refineries. I understand big oil has a hand in the price of gas at the pump. I also understand it does not have a hand in the prices we pay for crude from the Middle East. Most any issue is a bigger web than the headlines we like to drop off onto each other. That's understood. If you keep digging you'll find that my political beliefs extend a bit further than my support of the war in Iraq. The same can be said from the opposing point of view.
Psssst! I'm not religious either.
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
I don't hate you... I find the way you keep bringing me up to be quite flattering. I replied to you in the Iraq War Vet thread and ever since you've flipped out playing the part of some drama queen victim and acting as if I have it out for you...get over yourself. Just reply to posts if you feel the need and don't worry about me personally...I'll be sure to return the favor.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde