It sounds good on paper, but I'd honestly be opposed to it for a couple of reasons. One is that I do not believe government should be involved in this - or many, many, many other things it's involved in.
And second, because you can't force people to be fit and healthy against their will. If we're going to subsidize everyone's health, then we ought to be able to dictate how they should keep themselves healthy - ie. no smoking, drinking, strictly controlled diet, plenty of exercise, etc.
ok fair enough, i change the words then you fucker!
Would you prefer it if Healthcare was paid for by taxes, and war was funded by donations/charity?
It's the only option you have, it's yes or no, war or healthcare?
without the related name calling - probably the one time i agree with dude ...
it's stealing ... but i guess property rights are subject to one's personal belief these days ...
Property crimes happen for a reason.
I'll be damned if Michael Moore can only afford 3 bodyguards instead of his usual 6. Or if he can only afford to eat for 9 people instead of the usual 25. /sarcasm
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I'll be damned if Michael Moore can only afford 3 bodyguards instead of his usual 6. Or if he can only afford to eat for 9 people instead of the usual 25. /sarcasm
it's not necessarily money that would have went to moore ... it's the trickle down effect ... the big losers are the exhibitors ... and stores that sell dvds ...
ok fair enough, i change the words then you fucker!
Would you prefer it if Healthcare was paid for by taxes, and war was funded by donations/charity?
It's the only option you have, it's yes or no, war or healthcare?
It would be the lesser of two evils for me (healthcare over war), but I'm still against it.
Like I said, though, I'm opposed to the government having its hands in most of the things it does. Government is the biggest waste of money, time, etc., and it should be focusing on just the barest of basics in my opinion - making/enforcing laws, infrastructure, and defense (the key being "defense"). I don't think the government should be involved in anything else.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
It would be the lesser of two evils for me (healthcare over war), but I'm still against it.
Like I said, though, I'm opposed to the government having its hands in most of the things it does. Government is the biggest waste of money, time, etc., and it should be focusing on just the barest of basics in my opinion - making/enforcing laws, infrastructure, and defense (the key being "defense"). I don't think the government should be involved in anything else.
right on......
Take me piece by piece..... Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
Yea, universal health care is so bad, us Canadians are fighting against it... NOT!
I will submit however that not everything is free in Canada, that is a blatant lie and I don't see how Moore could make that claim. Average cost of an ambulance ride $50. I have a health insurance plan through my work that covers 80% of my drugs and dental work. I still pay 20% and people who do not have these health plans pay 100%. The OHIP does not cover everything, only serious problems. I had a sebacious cyst behind one of my ears and OHIP would not cover it, however the cost to have it lanced was only $100. Conversely when I was a child and suffered a collision with a truck, my parents did not pay for any of the reconstructive surgery, the hospital stay, the orthodontal work or anything.
I don't mind paying the taxes for healthcare, especially since I pay less taxes than the average American. But our healthcare system is not the best. It seems to make judgements based on age and health. A 50 year old who has suffered a disability is less likely to get care than a 20 year old. That is something I lobbied to correct, but my efforts were fruitless.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
the whole health care thing has become the biggest cluster fuck ... the principal of it works ... no question ... the problem is that it is run by politicians who are controlled by industry and lobbyists ...
if we truly cared about the health of our nation - we wouldn't allow companies to spew toxins into the air, we wouldn't allow sketchy food to enter the marketplace, we would be looking at preventing cancer instead of just trying to make the pharmaceutical companies rich ...
health care now is about paying off the right people and not about keeping people healthy ... in the end its about supporting related industries ... imagine a world where people were generally healthy - the insurance and drug companies would go nuts ...
it's not necessarily money that would have went to moore ... it's the trickle down effect ... the big losers are the exhibitors ... and stores that sell dvds ...
They need to make them cheaper.
Take tax fraud as an example, if taxes are too high, tax fraud increases, there is a magic mark where no tax fraud occurs, given a balanced economy.
Due to capitalism and the top 2% of the population owning 80% of the wealth. Its inevitable that fraud and property theft will occur. If "SiCKO" cost $5.99, I would buy it, but I won't even pay $7.99 to rent it. Its not worth it.
It really doesn't matter to me. If its too pricey I won't buy it, so either way they are losing my business. The millions of people that pirate music and movies do it-by enlarge-because they cannot afford to purchase the products and would not purchase them regardless. However, I have purchased films and music which I've previously pirated, granted I found them entertaining.
To be honest, this film "SiCKO" is barely worth the bandwidth I spent buffering it.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Doesn't this film imply that we in the UK are totally happy with our NHS? :rolleyes:
'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
Could it be any more of a disaster than it is already?
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
it's not necessarily money that would have went to moore ... it's the trickle down effect ... the big losers are the exhibitors ... and stores that sell dvds ...
I downloaded it and when I try to play it it's saying that i '..may need to install a DirectShow decoder for this video format in order to play this file'. I've downloaded two DirectShow decoder's but it's still not playing. Any ideas?
I downloaded it and when I try to play it it's saying that i '..may need to install a DirectShow decoder for this video format in order to play this file'. I've downloaded two DirectShow decoder's but it's still not playing. Any ideas?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
No thanks. I firmly believe universal or socialized healthcare would be even worse than what we have.
I think we should outlaw health insurance and let doctors and institutions compete for patients who have to pay out of their own pockets.
While I think that your approach sounds good on paper, I just don't see how it would work any better then what is in place now.
What about people who can't afford health care? They would be in the same position now, but with a little lower medical bills that they could never pay.
Also, I don't think it wouldn't help preventative care, thus making the bills higher down the road. If I have a stomach ache for a while, I might not have the few hundred dollars lying around for the doctors appointments or tests that right now would be pretty much free under my work insurance that I only pay $36 a month for. So I might ignore the stomach pain for a while and eventually have to go in and the problem is 10x worse and 10x more expensive.
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
While I think that your approach sounds good on paper, I just don't see how it would work any better then what is in place now.
What about people who can't afford health care? They would be in the same position now, but with a little lower medical bills that they could never pay.
Also, I don't think it wouldn't help preventative care, thus making the bills higher down the road. If I have a stomach ache for a while, I might not have the few hundred dollars lying around for the doctors appointments or tests that right now would be pretty much free under my work insurance that I only pay $36 a month for. So I might ignore the stomach pain for a while and eventually have to go in and the problem is 10x worse and 10x more expensive.
That's the point. Do you think anyone's going to go to the doctor for a stomach ache if it costs them that much? So is a doctor going to look out at an empty waiting room, or is she going to try to lower the costs so that she can at least bring in some money?
Also, think about those premiums paid by your work. What if insurance didn't exist and they gave that money to you in higher salaries. Then you might have more to spend on preventative care if you were responsible.
Remember - we're all paying for healthcare now. It's just that it doesn't seem like it as it's withdrawn automatically from our pay and spread out over time.
I think some eyes would be opened if your employer actually gave you the money and made you pay the health insurance premiums (which does happen in some small companies.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Doesn't this film imply that we in the UK are totally happy with our NHS? :rolleyes:
That is the only thing that bothers me about this movie (and I guess that is what you get with Moore)... He portrays other healthcare systems as basically perfect and I'm sure that's an exaggeration. However, I think his portrayal of our insurance system is spot on, and even if he is 80% right about the other countries' systems, they still have to be better than ours right now.
The whole idea of a third-party company making money off of my health problems disgusts me... The doctor/hospital should make a profit on healthcare, that is their business and livelihood... however an outside insurance company which is in the business to make a profit will never have my (or my doctor's) best interests in mind.
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Sigh I had to revise my original post ...theres a codec pack and MEGA codec pack.... the mega is better...
you can always unistall one pack for the other. But whatever does it...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
That's the point. Do you think anyone's going to go to the doctor for a stomach ache if it costs them that much? So is a doctor going to look out at an empty waiting room, or is she going to try to lower the costs so that she can at least bring in some money?
Also, think about those premiums paid by your work. What if insurance didn't exist and they gave that money to you in higher salaries. Then you might have more to spend on preventative care if you were responsible.
Remember - we're all paying for healthcare now. It's just that it doesn't seem like it as it's withdrawn automatically from our pay and spread out over time.
I think some eyes would be opened if your employer actually gave you the money and made you pay the health insurance premiums (which does happen in some small companies.
Maybe create tax free Health Savings Accounts and make participation mandatory. Mandate a certain percentage of salary that must be deposited, but otherwise employees are free to up the contribution and have complete control over where to invest the money. As a back up, institute mandatory catastophic insurance to cover serious injury & illness, similar to car insurance.
Yea, you may want to pay Canadian taxes as well. Or else we will be in the same boat as the U.S.A. we are already at threat of mass privatization of health care.
Massp privitization of health care is a bogus scare. Everyone's family doctor is already providing privitized health care. The only thing thing people should care about is there being a single payor (gov't) at prescribed rates only.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
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...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
ok fair enough, i change the words then you fucker!
Would you prefer it if Healthcare was paid for by taxes, and war was funded by donations/charity?
It's the only option you have, it's yes or no, war or healthcare?
Property crimes happen for a reason.
I'll be damned if Michael Moore can only afford 3 bodyguards instead of his usual 6. Or if he can only afford to eat for 9 people instead of the usual 25. /sarcasm
it's not necessarily money that would have went to moore ... it's the trickle down effect ... the big losers are the exhibitors ... and stores that sell dvds ...
run by the government.........
would be a fucking disaster............
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
It would be the lesser of two evils for me (healthcare over war), but I'm still against it.
Like I said, though, I'm opposed to the government having its hands in most of the things it does. Government is the biggest waste of money, time, etc., and it should be focusing on just the barest of basics in my opinion - making/enforcing laws, infrastructure, and defense (the key being "defense"). I don't think the government should be involved in anything else.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
I will submit however that not everything is free in Canada, that is a blatant lie and I don't see how Moore could make that claim. Average cost of an ambulance ride $50. I have a health insurance plan through my work that covers 80% of my drugs and dental work. I still pay 20% and people who do not have these health plans pay 100%. The OHIP does not cover everything, only serious problems. I had a sebacious cyst behind one of my ears and OHIP would not cover it, however the cost to have it lanced was only $100. Conversely when I was a child and suffered a collision with a truck, my parents did not pay for any of the reconstructive surgery, the hospital stay, the orthodontal work or anything.
I don't mind paying the taxes for healthcare, especially since I pay less taxes than the average American. But our healthcare system is not the best. It seems to make judgements based on age and health. A 50 year old who has suffered a disability is less likely to get care than a 20 year old. That is something I lobbied to correct, but my efforts were fruitless.
if we truly cared about the health of our nation - we wouldn't allow companies to spew toxins into the air, we wouldn't allow sketchy food to enter the marketplace, we would be looking at preventing cancer instead of just trying to make the pharmaceutical companies rich ...
health care now is about paying off the right people and not about keeping people healthy ... in the end its about supporting related industries ... imagine a world where people were generally healthy - the insurance and drug companies would go nuts ...
They need to make them cheaper.
Take tax fraud as an example, if taxes are too high, tax fraud increases, there is a magic mark where no tax fraud occurs, given a balanced economy.
Due to capitalism and the top 2% of the population owning 80% of the wealth. Its inevitable that fraud and property theft will occur. If "SiCKO" cost $5.99, I would buy it, but I won't even pay $7.99 to rent it. Its not worth it.
It really doesn't matter to me. If its too pricey I won't buy it, so either way they are losing my business. The millions of people that pirate music and movies do it-by enlarge-because they cannot afford to purchase the products and would not purchase them regardless. However, I have purchased films and music which I've previously pirated, granted I found them entertaining.
To be honest, this film "SiCKO" is barely worth the bandwidth I spent buffering it.
- the great Sir Leo Harrison
Could it be any more of a disaster than it is already?
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
are you trying to say the government has a terrible track record with success after they take over something??
but i have found another cause that needs my immediate attention....
the tomato farmers for burger king are not getting paid enough money....
I MUST GO FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT!!!!!!!!
hehehehe......
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
if you make my combo meal price go up, I'm gonna be soooo pissed.
Copyrights are soooo 90s.
FUCK KETCHUP TOO!!!!!!
im gettin my burger with MAYO and EXTRA PICKLES!!!!!
and im puting butter and MAYO on my french fries....
fuck em!!!!! those tomato farmers wanna cry poor???.....i say we put their asses out of work completely!!!!!!
i say lets make those pickle farmers rich!!!!!!!!!
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
I downloaded it and when I try to play it it's saying that i '..may need to install a DirectShow decoder for this video format in order to play this file'. I've downloaded two DirectShow decoder's but it's still not playing. Any ideas?
I say you should charge for exclamation marks. you'd be fucking rich you dork
you sound just like my mother!!!!!!!!
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
probably the AC3 codec is missing
dl and install this...its awesome: (agree to everything it asks....when it asks)
http://fileforum.betanews.com/detail/KLite_Mega_Codec_Pack/1080441198/1/
The AVI will play after that.
The VLC player is excellent at decoding virtualy anything:
http://www.download.com/VLC-Media-Player/3000-2194_4-10672218.html?tag=lst-0-1
Those two downloads...bang....zoom...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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While I think that your approach sounds good on paper, I just don't see how it would work any better then what is in place now.
What about people who can't afford health care? They would be in the same position now, but with a little lower medical bills that they could never pay.
Also, I don't think it wouldn't help preventative care, thus making the bills higher down the road. If I have a stomach ache for a while, I might not have the few hundred dollars lying around for the doctors appointments or tests that right now would be pretty much free under my work insurance that I only pay $36 a month for. So I might ignore the stomach pain for a while and eventually have to go in and the problem is 10x worse and 10x more expensive.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Cheers ears!
That's the point. Do you think anyone's going to go to the doctor for a stomach ache if it costs them that much? So is a doctor going to look out at an empty waiting room, or is she going to try to lower the costs so that she can at least bring in some money?
Also, think about those premiums paid by your work. What if insurance didn't exist and they gave that money to you in higher salaries. Then you might have more to spend on preventative care if you were responsible.
Remember - we're all paying for healthcare now. It's just that it doesn't seem like it as it's withdrawn automatically from our pay and spread out over time.
I think some eyes would be opened if your employer actually gave you the money and made you pay the health insurance premiums (which does happen in some small companies.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Just downloaded it. Works a treat. Perfect quality copy of the film too. Nice!
That is the only thing that bothers me about this movie (and I guess that is what you get with Moore)... He portrays other healthcare systems as basically perfect and I'm sure that's an exaggeration. However, I think his portrayal of our insurance system is spot on, and even if he is 80% right about the other countries' systems, they still have to be better than ours right now.
The whole idea of a third-party company making money off of my health problems disgusts me... The doctor/hospital should make a profit on healthcare, that is their business and livelihood... however an outside insurance company which is in the business to make a profit will never have my (or my doctor's) best interests in mind.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Sigh I had to revise my original post ...theres a codec pack and MEGA codec pack.... the mega is better...
you can always unistall one pack for the other. But whatever does it...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley