Cindy Sheehan ends protest

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  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    RainDog wrote:
    Wouldn't we be considered "foreign fighters" too? Or is Iraq our country now?

    I'll admit I'm being facetious here. We throw around terms to get people fired up, but they don't really mean anything outside of the emotional response they generate. Is it right for Cindy Sheehan to call the insurgents "freedom fighters"? Well, it certainly isn't objectively wrong - no matter how many people's blood boils over it.

    And its not objectively wrong to call them terrorists either, which seemed to get your blood boiling.
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    VictoryGin wrote:
    so it appears nyc is free.

    hey raindog, do you read derrida? nice deconstruction work.
    I probably have (in textbooks), though I had to look up the name to see who you were talking about. I'll check him out. Seems interesting.
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    reborncareerist wrote:
    LOL. No, and I agree with your points. She did indeed serve an important purpose and the good she did is not undermined by the bad. If people wonder why things went so far south, though, look no further than her recent behavior.

    she's just one mom - people held her to standards they don't hold themselves to ... i'm glad she got herself out before her life was completely ruined ...
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    reborncareerist wrote:
    And its not objectively wrong to call them terrorists either, which seemed to get your blood boiling.
    No, it's not objectively wrong. I have no problem with that term over any other. I just want everyone to realize that when "we" support them, they're freedom fighters. When "they" (cue evil music) support them, they're terrorists. When "I" point it out, I hate America.
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    RainDog wrote:
    When "I" point it out, I hate America.

    Indeed. The rhetoric needs to be toned down all-around.
  • FredFlintstone
    FredFlintstone Posts: 193
    jlew24asu wrote:
    how did bush kill her son? he wasnt forced to go to war.

    He was forced by the Idiot/AWOL/Cokehead in Chief into Iraq though wasn't he.
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  • Staceb10
    Staceb10 Posts: 675
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Please explain how her son's name has been disgraced. Her son had a mother with principles who stood up for what she believed in. Perhaps you'd prefer a nation of servile morons, who are happy to continue watching their sons and daughters die in this bullshit war that is benefiting nobody but a handful of rich and powerful liars, and swindlers?

    But is she standing up for what her SON believed in? He's the one that gave his life for his Country while his mother used his death to promote her cause. Did she protest before he was killed? Would she be protesting now if he hadn't been killed or wasn't in the war at all?
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    FredFlintstone wrote:
    He was forced by the Idiot/AWOL/Cokehead in Chief into Iraq though wasn't he.
    no he wasnt. not even sure when he joined, but regardless, war is always a possibility when you join the marines. you know, I know it, he knew it.
  • PaperPlates
    PaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    FredFlintstone wrote:
    He was forced by the Idiot/AWOL/Cokehead in Chief into Iraq though wasn't he.


    No, he actually volunteered. And no marine I've ever met didnt have a little bloodlust in his soul. I wouldnt be surprised if he was "stoked" to be going to war. Hoorah! Noone joins the marines just for the perks or college. Thats what the air force, army, and navy are for.
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  • mammasan
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    PaperPlates wrote:
    No, he actually volunteered. And no marine I've ever met didnt have a little bloodlust in his soul. I wouldnt be surprised if he was "stoked" to be going to war. Hoorah! Noone joins the marines just for the perks or college. Thats what the air force, army, and navy are for.

    I have to agree with you on this. I know a few guys, including my nephew, who have enlisted with the Marines and they didn't do it for college money. They did it because they wanted to be Marines and all that entails. Semper Fidalis.
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  • FredFlintstone
    FredFlintstone Posts: 193
    PaperPlates wrote:
    No, he actually volunteered. And no marine I've ever met didnt have a little bloodlust in his soul. I wouldnt be surprised if he was "stoked" to be going to war. Hoorah! Noone joins the marines just for the perks or college. Thats what the air force, army, and navy are for.


    Ah i get it. If you volunteer for the armed forces, it doesnt matter if you are forced to serve in a bullshit war dreamt up by liars and ideologues, you volunteered!!!

    they volunteered to defend the United States - not to be at the mercy George W Bush and Dick Cheney's hard on for Iraq.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    when you are told by those in charge the reason for going to war and you are in the military you believe what you are told. you usually see no reason not to trust their word. because afterall why would they lie? isnt deceptive propaganda the tool of the fascist and communist dictator? ;) perhaps cindy sheehan even believed what her government told her. she wasn't the only one. there are millions of others. and not only in the united states of america. but when the hypocrisy was exposed she decided that her son and others had died needlessly, so as i said before she decided to protest.

    why are you attacking cindy sheehan when you should be holding your own government to acccount for their manipulation of you. the people who are supposed to be in charge of protecting you stood in front of you and lied to you, as did my own government, and basically across the board it was accepted. WHY? WHY? WHY?


    but lets never forget ALL WAR IS BASED ON DECEPTION.
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    FredFlintstone wrote:
    Ah i get it. If you volunteer for the armed forces, it doesnt matter if you are forced to serve in a bullshit war dreamt up by liars and ideologues, you volunteered!!!
    I'm glad you get it now.
  • PaperPlates
    PaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    catefrances wrote:
    when you are told by those in charge the reason for going to war and you are in the military you believe what you are told. you usually see no reason not to trust their word. because afterall why would they lie? isnt deceptive propaganda the tool of the fascist and communist dictator? ;) perhaps cindy sheehan even believed what her government told her. she wasn't the only one. there are millions of others. and not only in the united states of america. but when the hypocrisy was exposed she decided that her son and others had died needlessly, so as i said before she decided to protest.

    why are you attacking cindy sheehan when you should be holding your own government to acccount for their manipulation of you. the people who are supposed to be in charge of protecting you stood in front of you and lied to you, as did my own government, and basically across the board it was accepted. WHY? WHY? WHY?


    but lets never forget ALL WAR IS BASED ON DECEPTION.

    Soldiers are neither given nor are they expected/allowed to consider the reasons why they are doing whatever it is they are doing. Orders are orders. You seem to be under the assumption that reasons are even given to them. A Few Good Men? Not far from reality. Like it or not.

    Im just stating facts. War sucks for sure. But thank god that we have those willing to go through that hell. Agree with the current war or not, without men and women like them, the next war (again, agree with or not), they will still be "necessary evils".
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  • catefrances
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    PaperPlates wrote:
    Soldiers are neither given nor are they expected/allowed to consider the reasons why they are doing whatever it is they are doing. Orders are orders. You seem to be under the assumption that reasons are even given to them. A Few Good Men? Not far from reality. Like it or not.

    Im just stating facts. War sucks for sure. But thank god that we have those willing to go through that hell. Agree with the current war or not, without men and women like them, the next war (again, agree with or not), they will still be "necessary evils".

    oh i know reasons aren't given. nor are they to be expected. im under no such assumptions. i just think its totally inappropriate for governments to use their people with such disregard.


    i dont agree with any war. i am a pacifist. i dont buy into the argument that 'we did all we could and now we must wage war and drive these evildoers back to where they came from or annihilate them for the greater good.'

    and yes i do realise that wars are the only acceptable arena for such non accountable violence. maybe some sports, but that violence is usually tut-tutted by the do gooders and others as bringing the game into disrepute.
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    jlew24asu wrote:
    well they would be wrong. america is free. and if your definition of freedom fighters = those fighters not fighting for freedom, then I guess you can call them whatever you want.

    They're fighting for 'their' freedom.
    And is America really free? You have the ability to chose between two shades of the same corporate owned shit once every four years. Above and beyond that you are powerless. How does that constitute freedom? Yoy can't even wear a fucking T-shirt criticizing your President these days without being arrested and investigated.
  • PaperPlates
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    Byrnzie wrote:
    They're fighting for 'their' freedom.
    And is America really free? You have the ability to chose between two shades of the same corporate owned shit once every four years. Above and beyond that you are powerless. How does that constitute freedom? Yoy can't even wear a fucking T-shirt criticizing your President these days without being arrested and investigated.

    More misinformation. If that was the case, how could these message boards exist ffs? Over 3/4 of the american posters here would be imprisoned by your skewed view of how things work here.
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Byrnzie wrote:
    And is America really free? You have the ability to chose between two shades of the same corporate owned shit once every four years.
    there are several candidates. currently 23 http://projects.washingtonpost.com/2008-presidential-candidates/

    Byrnzie wrote:
    to choose from Above and beyond that you are powerless. How does that constitute freedom?
    I'm free to vote for whomever I see fit without the risk of jail time or torture or anything. as are 280,000,000 other americans
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Yoy can't even wear a fucking T-shirt criticizing your President these days without being arrested and investigated.
    complete and utter bullshit. I have been to 3 anti war marches this year in chicago alone. I saw hundreds of hateful bush tee shirts and signs. hundreds.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    bgivens33 wrote:
    It's not that black and white. Her son served in the military, a voluntary military and gave his life. And instead of respecting his wish to serve, his mom is making a mockery out of it. I don't think this is something you are going to understand... no offense. Sheehan's actions were out of anger and pain, and she did nothing to honor her son's name.

    The military should only ever be placed in harms way if it is absolutely necessary. The invasion and occupation was only necessary to ensure the swelling of a few bank balances of those at the head of Halliburton, and the Texas oil companies. U.S soldiers are dying everyday in order to benefit these pigs. People sign up to the military in order to serve and protect their country when it is in danger. They don't sign up to play hit-man for a bunch of fish-bellied pimps and liars.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    PaperPlates wrote:
    Soldiers are neither given nor are they expected/allowed to consider the reasons why they are doing whatever it is they are doing. Orders are orders. You seem to be under the assumption that reasons are even given to them. A Few Good Men? Not far from reality. Like it or not.


    While what you said is true it is also expected of our elected leaders to use the military for purposes of national defense, not politically motivated agendas. The lives of these young men and women are to precious to be used so carelessly.
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