Cindy Sheehan ends protest

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  • bgivens33
    bgivens33 Posts: 290
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Please explain how her son's name has been disgraced. Her son had a mother with principles who stood up for what she believed in. Perhaps you'd prefer a nation of servile morons, who are happy to continue watching their sons and daughters die in this bullshit war that is benefiting nobody but a handful of rich and powerful liars, and swindlers?

    It's not that black and white. Her son served in the military, a voluntary military and gave his life. And instead of respecting his wish to serve, his mom is making a mockery out of it. I don't think this is something you are going to understand... no offense. Sheehan's actions were out of anger and pain, and she did nothing to honor her son's name.
  • Drew263
    Drew263 Birmingham, AL Posts: 602
    I wonder if she's bought her son a tombstone yet with the $250k she got from the gov't?

    For the first year atleast..she hadn't. She's disgusting and giving people that are protesting with true intentions a bad name.
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    jlew24asu wrote:
    but it is the point. your example was trying to prove america isnt free. you failed miserably.
    Actually, my example was trying to prove that "freedom" is simply a word. Like many words, it has different definitions.
    jlew24asu wrote:
    this makes no sense.
    Sorry if I'm speaking over your head; I am a rather precocious 9 year old, after all.

    Let's break it down. You said that the insurgents in Iraq cannot be called freedom fighters, seemingly because they aren't fighting for freedom. By this, I assume you mean the freedom to do, i.e. freedom of action. But there is also the concept of freedom from, i.e freedom from kings, freedom from war, freedom from outside influence, freedom from.....whatever. Cindy Sheehan was obviously, to me at least, implying that the term "freedom fighters" refers to people fighting for freedom from outside influence - the same implication Ronald Reagan made when he called them freedom fighters (only that time it was freedom from the Soviet Union). So, why is it incorrect for Sheehan to use the Reagan definition of freedom fighters?
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    I hope someone takes her place ... Someone who is smart enough not to meet with people like Hugo Chavez to make their point. I feel bad for what happened to her son. I also feel like she really became quite a bit like those who got her son killed, however. Meeting with a human-rights abusing dictator was just childish and ignorant. What she was doing ceased to be meaningful protest at that point. I guess that's what emotional reasoning does to people, even well-meaning ones.
  • Rushlimbo
    Rushlimbo Posts: 832
    Drew263 wrote:
    I wonder if she's bought her son a tombstone yet with the $250k she got from the gov't?

    For the first year atleast..she hadn't. She's disgusting and giving people that are protesting with true intentions a bad name.

    http://leaningstraightup.com/2006/06/05/cindy-sheehan-snopes-and-the-tombstone-and-one-father-who-made-a-different-choice/
    War is Peace
    Freedom is Slavery
    Ignorance is Strength
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    Drew263 wrote:
    I wonder if she's bought her son a tombstone yet with the $250k she got from the gov't?

    For the first year atleast..she hadn't. She's disgusting and giving people that are protesting with true intentions a bad name.

    She did a lot of good, including holding the Democrats to the same standard she holds the Republicans.

    And then she went and fucked up with the whole Chavez thing. Just ... Wow. What does she want America to be, exactly? I hope her vision doesn't look like Chavez's Venezuela.
  • Eliot Rosewater
    Eliot Rosewater Posts: 2,659
    bgivens33 wrote:
    I can't help to think that she has disgraced her son's name. It tears me apart to think after that kid got killed in combat he is more famous for his mother than his service. If I ever get killed in combat I hope my parents have enough sense NEVER to do something like that. She does make some valid points... especially this one

    "Casey died for a country which cares more about who will be the next American Idol than how many people will be killed in the next few months"

    But I am glad to see her go, the only thing she was doing was defacing her son's name. He signed up, it was not like he was drafted.
    wow. wow. she blames bush for the death of her son. she wants to make it known so others don't let bush kill their kids. how is that defacing her son?
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    RainDog wrote:
    Actually, my example was trying to prove that "freedom" is simply a word. Like many words, it has different definitions.
    again, you proved nothing.
    RainDog wrote:
    Sorry if I'm speaking over your head; I am a rather precocious 9 year old, after all.
    we all have our flaws, yours just happy to shine brighter then others. dont let it get you down.
    RainDog wrote:
    Let's break it down. You said that the insurgents in Iraq cannot be called freedom fighters, seemingly because they aren't fighting for freedom. By this, I assume you mean the freedom to do, i.e. freedom of action. But there is also the concept of freedom from, i.e freedom from kings, freedom from war, freedom from outside influence, freedom from.....whatever. Cindy Sheehan was obviously, to me at least, implying that the term "freedom fighters" refers to people fighting for freedom from outside influence - the same implication Ronald Reagan made when he called them freedom fighters (only that time it was freedom from the Soviet Union). So, why is it incorrect for Sheehan to use the Reagan definition of freedom fighters?
    terrorists are not freedom fighters. and I dont give a flying fuck what ronnie has to say about it..k?
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    don't gimme no wrote:
    wow. wow. she blames bush for the death of her son. she wants to make it known so others don't let bush kill their kids. how is that defacing her son?
    how did bush kill her son? he wasnt forced to go to war.
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    jlew24asu wrote:
    terrorists are not freedom fighters. and I dont give a flying fuck what ronnie has to say about it..k?

    Agreed. Anyone who uses the tactics that are routinely used in Iraq does not deserve to hide behind the term "freedom fighter". "Sectarian death warrior" might work better, except it sounds like something from a bad manga film. As might, you know, "terrorist". I think we'll just use that one.
  • bgivens33
    bgivens33 Posts: 290
    don't gimme no wrote:
    wow. wow. she blames bush for the death of her son. she wants to make it known so others don't let bush kill their kids. how is that defacing her son?

    Again, as I stated earlier this one is hard to tell someone about... you either understand it or you don't. Her son choose to join the army and he knew the risks. She wasn't very vocal about the war before her son died, just after. To me that loses lots of credibility. She didn't even put up a tombstone on his grave until a few weeks ago. I could just imagine having a friend killed in service and seeing his mom basically go crazy in protest, my first thought would be she is doing nothing to honor him. Her acts just come off as extremely selfish, she is saying her son basically died in vain. How is that NOT defacing her son?
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    jlew24asu wrote:
    again, you proved nothing.

    we all have our flaws, yours just happy to shine brighter then others. dont let it get you down.

    terrorists are not freedom fighters. and I dont give a flying fuck what ronnie has to say about it..k?
    So forget about Ronald Reagan. Are you saying that someone fighting for freedom from outside influence cannot be considered a freedom fighter?
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    RainDog wrote:
    So forget about Ronald Reagan. Are you saying that someone fighting for freedom from outside influence cannot be considered a freedom fighter?

    Except that's not what a great many of the insurgents in Iraq are doing.
    They are taking advantage of the U.S. presence to carry out sectarian violence, settle old scores, strengthen their own power base ... It hasn't been about fighting the Americans for a very long time.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    RainDog wrote:
    So forget about Ronald Reagan. Are you saying that someone fighting for freedom from outside influence cannot be considered a freedom fighter?
    we are talking about terrorists right? then no
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    reborncareerist wrote:
    Agreed. Anyone who uses the tactics that are routinely used in Iraq does not deserve to hide behind the term "freedom fighter". "Sectarian death warrior" might work better, except it sounds like something from a bad manga film. As might, you know, "terrorist". I think we'll just use that one.
    So I'll ask you the same question. Are you saying that someone fighting for freedom from outside influence cannot be considered a freedom fighter? Is it because the term "freedom fighter" implies something positive? Because as I see it, it's a neutral term.
  • Rushlimbo
    Rushlimbo Posts: 832
    Those crazy ladies at Mothers Against Drunk drivers are shifty as well. Didnt hear a peep from them until they lost a relative to a drunk driving death. Fucking camera hogs.
    War is Peace
    Freedom is Slavery
    Ignorance is Strength
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    jlew24asu wrote:
    we are talking about terrorists right? then no
    Do you have a definition for terrorist?
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    RainDog wrote:
    So I'll ask you the same question. Are you saying that someone fighting for freedom from outside influence cannot be considered a freedom fighter? Is it because the term "freedom fighter" implies something positive? Because as I see it, it's a neutral term.

    Maybe it IS a neutral term, but as I just said, I don't think it is accurate to say that "freedom from outside influence" is a major motive of the Iraqi insurgency. In fact, that whole term "insurgency" is probably no longer an accurate descriptor.
  • gobrowns19
    gobrowns19 Posts: 1,447
    "Casey died for a country which cares more about who will be the next American Idol than how many people will be killed in the next few months while Democrats and Republicans play politics with human lives.

    That just makes me sad....to the point where i want to cry on the inside. How did we get to this point as humans where we don't care about our family as a standpoint from the human race, where everyone has to point and call names, and everything has to be "the good side" or "the bad side?"

    :(
    Happiness is only real when shared
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    gobrowns19 wrote:

    That just makes me sad....to the point where i want to cry on the inside. How did we get to this point as humans where everyone has to point and call names, and everything has to be "the good side" or "the bad side?"

    :(

    She uses as many labels as her opponents do. It IS sad. Everyone is caught up in the same stupid dance.

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