No, he actually volunteered. And no marine I've ever met didnt have a little bloodlust in his soul. I wouldnt be surprised if he was "stoked" to be going to war. Hoorah! Noone joins the marines just for the perks or college. Thats what the air force, army, and navy are for.
Ah i get it. If you volunteer for the armed forces, it doesnt matter if you are forced to serve in a bullshit war dreamt up by liars and ideologues, you volunteered!!!
they volunteered to defend the United States - not to be at the mercy George W Bush and Dick Cheney's hard on for Iraq.
"Sean Hannity knows there is no greater threat to America today than Bill Clinton 15 years ago"- Stephen Colbert
when you are told by those in charge the reason for going to war and you are in the military you believe what you are told. you usually see no reason not to trust their word. because afterall why would they lie? isnt deceptive propaganda the tool of the fascist and communist dictator? perhaps cindy sheehan even believed what her government told her. she wasn't the only one. there are millions of others. and not only in the united states of america. but when the hypocrisy was exposed she decided that her son and others had died needlessly, so as i said before she decided to protest.
why are you attacking cindy sheehan when you should be holding your own government to acccount for their manipulation of you. the people who are supposed to be in charge of protecting you stood in front of you and lied to you, as did my own government, and basically across the board it was accepted. WHY? WHY? WHY?
but lets never forget ALL WAR IS BASED ON DECEPTION.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Ah i get it. If you volunteer for the armed forces, it doesnt matter if you are forced to serve in a bullshit war dreamt up by liars and ideologues, you volunteered!!!
when you are told by those in charge the reason for going to war and you are in the military you believe what you are told. you usually see no reason not to trust their word. because afterall why would they lie? isnt deceptive propaganda the tool of the fascist and communist dictator? perhaps cindy sheehan even believed what her government told her. she wasn't the only one. there are millions of others. and not only in the united states of america. but when the hypocrisy was exposed she decided that her son and others had died needlessly, so as i said before she decided to protest.
why are you attacking cindy sheehan when you should be holding your own government to acccount for their manipulation of you. the people who are supposed to be in charge of protecting you stood in front of you and lied to you, as did my own government, and basically across the board it was accepted. WHY? WHY? WHY?
but lets never forget ALL WAR IS BASED ON DECEPTION.
Soldiers are neither given nor are they expected/allowed to consider the reasons why they are doing whatever it is they are doing. Orders are orders. You seem to be under the assumption that reasons are even given to them. A Few Good Men? Not far from reality. Like it or not.
Im just stating facts. War sucks for sure. But thank god that we have those willing to go through that hell. Agree with the current war or not, without men and women like them, the next war (again, agree with or not), they will still be "necessary evils".
Soldiers are neither given nor are they expected/allowed to consider the reasons why they are doing whatever it is they are doing. Orders are orders. You seem to be under the assumption that reasons are even given to them. A Few Good Men? Not far from reality. Like it or not.
Im just stating facts. War sucks for sure. But thank god that we have those willing to go through that hell. Agree with the current war or not, without men and women like them, the next war (again, agree with or not), they will still be "necessary evils".
oh i know reasons aren't given. nor are they to be expected. im under no such assumptions. i just think its totally inappropriate for governments to use their people with such disregard.
i dont agree with any war. i am a pacifist. i dont buy into the argument that 'we did all we could and now we must wage war and drive these evildoers back to where they came from or annihilate them for the greater good.'
and yes i do realise that wars are the only acceptable arena for such non accountable violence. maybe some sports, but that violence is usually tut-tutted by the do gooders and others as bringing the game into disrepute.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
well they would be wrong. america is free. and if your definition of freedom fighters = those fighters not fighting for freedom, then I guess you can call them whatever you want.
They're fighting for 'their' freedom.
And is America really free? You have the ability to chose between two shades of the same corporate owned shit once every four years. Above and beyond that you are powerless. How does that constitute freedom? Yoy can't even wear a fucking T-shirt criticizing your President these days without being arrested and investigated.
They're fighting for 'their' freedom.
And is America really free? You have the ability to chose between two shades of the same corporate owned shit once every four years. Above and beyond that you are powerless. How does that constitute freedom? Yoy can't even wear a fucking T-shirt criticizing your President these days without being arrested and investigated.
More misinformation. If that was the case, how could these message boards exist ffs? Over 3/4 of the american posters here would be imprisoned by your skewed view of how things work here.
Yoy can't even wear a fucking T-shirt criticizing your President these days without being arrested and investigated.
complete and utter bullshit. I have been to 3 anti war marches this year in chicago alone. I saw hundreds of hateful bush tee shirts and signs. hundreds.
It's not that black and white. Her son served in the military, a voluntary military and gave his life. And instead of respecting his wish to serve, his mom is making a mockery out of it. I don't think this is something you are going to understand... no offense. Sheehan's actions were out of anger and pain, and she did nothing to honor her son's name.
The military should only ever be placed in harms way if it is absolutely necessary. The invasion and occupation was only necessary to ensure the swelling of a few bank balances of those at the head of Halliburton, and the Texas oil companies. U.S soldiers are dying everyday in order to benefit these pigs. People sign up to the military in order to serve and protect their country when it is in danger. They don't sign up to play hit-man for a bunch of fish-bellied pimps and liars.
Soldiers are neither given nor are they expected/allowed to consider the reasons why they are doing whatever it is they are doing. Orders are orders. You seem to be under the assumption that reasons are even given to them. A Few Good Men? Not far from reality. Like it or not.
While what you said is true it is also expected of our elected leaders to use the military for purposes of national defense, not politically motivated agendas. The lives of these young men and women are to precious to be used so carelessly.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
More misinformation. If that was the case, how could these message boards exist ffs? Over 3/4 of the american posters here would be imprisoned by your skewed view of how things work here.
Because message boards are a threat to no-one. If this stuff was broadcast on the mainstream media things would be different. This board would be closed down immediately.
Because message boards are a threat to no-one. If this stuff was broadcast on the mainstream media things would be different. This board would be closed down immediately.
I'm free to vote for whomever I see fit without the risk of jail time or torture or anything. as are 280,000,000 other americans
complete and utter bullshit. I have been to 3 anti war marches this year in chicago alone. I saw hundreds of hateful bush tee shirts and signs. hundreds.
Hundreds of people. Right. Sometimes it's not wise to publicly arrest hundreds of people for wearing politically unsavoury T-shirts. This is why individuals are targeted and harassed instead. I posted about 30 links on here about months ago detailing such harassment and arrests. I can't be assed to do so again.
Hundreds of people. Right. Sometimes it's not wise to publicly arrest hundreds of people for wearing politically unsavoury T-shirts. This is why individuals are targeted and harassed instead. I posted about 30 links on here about months ago detailing such harassment and arrests. I can't be assed to do so again.
yes hundreds of people. I was there. I even posted pictures on this very forum showing those people.
but i'm sure there are people who are investigated and harassed. as some of them should be. they take things too far. but are the 99.9% harassed and investigated? absolutely not.
While what you said is true it is also expected of our elected leaders to use the military for purposes of national defense, not politically motivated agendas. The lives of these young men and women are to precious to be used so carelessly.
Couldnt agree more. Both sides of the equation have their duties. And both, for the most part, believe in what they are doing. Pretty tough catch 22 huh?
Both sides of the equation have their duties. And both, for the most part, believe in what they are doing. Pretty tough catch 22 huh?
Hitler also believed in what he was doing. What a pity that so many Germans were so obedient and servile. Some things never change. Pretty tough catch 22 huh?
Couldnt agree more. Both sides of the equation have their duties. And both, for the most part, believe in what they are doing. Pretty tough catch 22 huh?
Couldnt agree more. Both sides of the equation have their duties. And both, for the most part, believe in what they are doing. Pretty tough catch 22 huh?
Well the administration may believe in what it is doing in Iraq unfortunetly they where never honest with the public about their motives because they knew that their motives would not justify us invading Iraq.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
Couldnt agree more. Both sides of the equation have their duties. And both, for the most part, believe in what they are doing. Pretty tough catch 22 huh?
Were you talking about the soldiers believing in what they are doing, or also the government who sent them in?
Hitler also believed in what he was doing. What a pity that so many Germans were so obedient and servile. Some things never change. Pretty tough catch 22 huh?
Hitler? Why when in doubt or pushed are people like you so qu(s)ick to pull out the hitler card? You do realize you insult every person ever killed under hitlers regime by using that comparison don't you. Its pathetic really. You really are a one trick pony. Are you that hateful, or are you just drunk again?
Hitler? Why when in doubt or pushed are people like you so qu(s)ick to pull out the hitler card? You do realize you insult every person ever killed under hitlers regime by using that comparison don't you. Its pathetic really. You really are a one trick pony. Are you that hateful, or are you just drunk again?
Hitler? Why when in doubt or pushed are people like you so qu(s)ick to pull out the hitler card? You do realize you insult every person ever killed under hitlers regime by using that comparison don't you. Its pathetic really. You really are a one trick pony. Are you that hateful, or are you just drunk again?
Which part of "both" did I studder on?
The Hitler card?? Ha ha ha!
Oh, and I wasn't in doubt. Not for a second.
And as for insulting dead people. Not possible. They're dead.
And as for being drunk, please elaborate. It's pathetic that people with no argument need to always fall back upon lame personal attacks.
Why do mad people often have delusions that they are Jesus? Why don't they think that they're Buddha, or the Hindu God Shiva? I guess some iconic figures are more iconic than others.
Comments
Ah i get it. If you volunteer for the armed forces, it doesnt matter if you are forced to serve in a bullshit war dreamt up by liars and ideologues, you volunteered!!!
they volunteered to defend the United States - not to be at the mercy George W Bush and Dick Cheney's hard on for Iraq.
why are you attacking cindy sheehan when you should be holding your own government to acccount for their manipulation of you. the people who are supposed to be in charge of protecting you stood in front of you and lied to you, as did my own government, and basically across the board it was accepted. WHY? WHY? WHY?
but lets never forget ALL WAR IS BASED ON DECEPTION.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Soldiers are neither given nor are they expected/allowed to consider the reasons why they are doing whatever it is they are doing. Orders are orders. You seem to be under the assumption that reasons are even given to them. A Few Good Men? Not far from reality. Like it or not.
Im just stating facts. War sucks for sure. But thank god that we have those willing to go through that hell. Agree with the current war or not, without men and women like them, the next war (again, agree with or not), they will still be "necessary evils".
www.myspace.com/jensvad
oh i know reasons aren't given. nor are they to be expected. im under no such assumptions. i just think its totally inappropriate for governments to use their people with such disregard.
i dont agree with any war. i am a pacifist. i dont buy into the argument that 'we did all we could and now we must wage war and drive these evildoers back to where they came from or annihilate them for the greater good.'
and yes i do realise that wars are the only acceptable arena for such non accountable violence. maybe some sports, but that violence is usually tut-tutted by the do gooders and others as bringing the game into disrepute.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
They're fighting for 'their' freedom.
And is America really free? You have the ability to chose between two shades of the same corporate owned shit once every four years. Above and beyond that you are powerless. How does that constitute freedom? Yoy can't even wear a fucking T-shirt criticizing your President these days without being arrested and investigated.
More misinformation. If that was the case, how could these message boards exist ffs? Over 3/4 of the american posters here would be imprisoned by your skewed view of how things work here.
www.myspace.com/jensvad
I'm free to vote for whomever I see fit without the risk of jail time or torture or anything. as are 280,000,000 other americans
complete and utter bullshit. I have been to 3 anti war marches this year in chicago alone. I saw hundreds of hateful bush tee shirts and signs. hundreds.
The military should only ever be placed in harms way if it is absolutely necessary. The invasion and occupation was only necessary to ensure the swelling of a few bank balances of those at the head of Halliburton, and the Texas oil companies. U.S soldiers are dying everyday in order to benefit these pigs. People sign up to the military in order to serve and protect their country when it is in danger. They don't sign up to play hit-man for a bunch of fish-bellied pimps and liars.
While what you said is true it is also expected of our elected leaders to use the military for purposes of national defense, not politically motivated agendas. The lives of these young men and women are to precious to be used so carelessly.
Would you say that the Contras in Nicaragua were terrorists or freedom fighters?
Because message boards are a threat to no-one. If this stuff was broadcast on the mainstream media things would be different. This board would be closed down immediately.
Hundreds of people. Right. Sometimes it's not wise to publicly arrest hundreds of people for wearing politically unsavoury T-shirts. This is why individuals are targeted and harassed instead. I posted about 30 links on here about months ago detailing such harassment and arrests. I can't be assed to do so again.
According to you. Some of us like to make connections though. Making connections and referring to historical precedents often exposes hypocrisy.
but i'm sure there are people who are investigated and harassed. as some of them should be. they take things too far. but are the 99.9% harassed and investigated? absolutely not.
Couldnt agree more. Both sides of the equation have their duties. And both, for the most part, believe in what they are doing. Pretty tough catch 22 huh?
www.myspace.com/jensvad
Hitler also believed in what he was doing. What a pity that so many Germans were so obedient and servile. Some things never change. Pretty tough catch 22 huh?
Tell it to this poor girl:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/popup?id=3218920&contentIndex=1&page=10
Well the administration may believe in what it is doing in Iraq unfortunetly they where never honest with the public about their motives because they knew that their motives would not justify us invading Iraq.
Were you talking about the soldiers believing in what they are doing, or also the government who sent them in?
Hitler? Why when in doubt or pushed are people like you so qu(s)ick to pull out the hitler card? You do realize you insult every person ever killed under hitlers regime by using that comparison don't you. Its pathetic really. You really are a one trick pony. Are you that hateful, or are you just drunk again?
Which part of "both" did I studder on?
www.myspace.com/jensvad
Awww, you're such a sensitive bloke. Cept when it comes to hitler comparisons of course.
www.myspace.com/jensvad
I thought you meant the Iraqis and the Americans.
If the government believed in it so much, why did they have to misinform the public to gain their support?
And why is it always Hitler, rather than Stalin or Mao?
http://www.theatlasphere.com/columns/070524-browne-nazi.php
The Hitler card?? Ha ha ha!
Oh, and I wasn't in doubt. Not for a second.
And as for insulting dead people. Not possible. They're dead.
And as for being drunk, please elaborate. It's pathetic that people with no argument need to always fall back upon lame personal attacks.
Why do mad people often have delusions that they are Jesus? Why don't they think that they're Buddha, or the Hindu God Shiva? I guess some iconic figures are more iconic than others.
"Perhaps that’s not a fair comparison, because the Third Reich had only 12 years to accomplish what the USSR did in 81 years and the PRC in 62."
i'm just sayin...:)
just messin with ya br. thats a good article.