will this guy still go to heaven?

even flow? · September 2008

know1 wrote:

Is forgiveness a bad thing....whether it's in regard to people or in reconciliation to God?

I guess if you all want to harbor resentment against the guy for eternity, that's your prerogative.

And yes - I believe the answer is that if the person repents of their sins, God forgives them. It's not up to you and I to determine that.

I am sorry but won't those children who got abused and had their asses ripped apart remember that for eternity? Just a thought that may have not crossed your mind.

God of which knows all already knew what this guy was up to and still let him in to his house or worship. Ah yeah, there is something quite wrong with giving him a free pass because he will say he is sorry.

What they should do ala Family Guy is lay this priest on a couch nude with a razor sharp fan hovering just about where his erection would be then parade young boys in front of him until he gets what he deserves.

Cosmo · September 2008

know1 wrote:

Is forgiveness a bad thing....whether it's in regard to people or in reconciliation to God?

I guess if you all want to harbor resentment against the guy for eternity, that's your prerogative.

And yes - I believe the answer is that if the person repents of their sins, God forgives them. It's not up to you and I to determine that.

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That certainly works in Hitler's favor... don't it?

not for me? · September 2008

Ask yourself this. If someone who does this so blatantly really be a follower of God at heart?

Cosmo · September 2008

not for me? wrote:

Ask yourself this. If someone who does this so blatantly really be a follower of God at heart?

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Sure. As long he believes that Jesus is going to be taking on the blame for all of his sins... a screw up here and there... no prob, put it on Jesus' tab. I maen... we're only human, right?

Vedderlution_Baby · September 2008

What's with this "He must not really believe in god"?

People have done all kinds of terrible shit while believing in god. Hell, some of it has been done in god's name and people claiming they were under the direction of god.

RolandTD20Kdrummer · September 2008

55,000 pictures?

Jesus... I've got 20,000 mp3's and that's pretty insane...

55,000?

This guy is thoroughly broken...

he'll get torn apart in jail...

Abuskedti · September 2008

know1 wrote:

Is forgiveness a bad thing....whether it's in regard to people or in reconciliation to God?

I guess if you all want to harbor resentment against the guy for eternity, that's your prerogative.

And yes - I believe the answer is that if the person repents of their sins, God forgives them. It's not up to you and I to determine that.

Forgiveness is devine.. I am all for it. It is condemning the whos who in muslim humanitarian efforts to an eternity of suffering that is bad.

If you believe Jesus would send all muslims to hell for not worshiping him.. then Jesus is a fucking ass hole.

chopitdown · September 2008

dunkman wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/mid/7596168.stm

he's a vicar with over 55,000 pics of children. now obviously he is a sexual deviant of the worst kind... but he also believes in god... am i right in saying that he goes to heaven under the whole belief in god loophole that most death-row prisoners try?

Matthew 7

"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

NMyTree · September 2008

Abuskedti wrote:

Forgiveness is devine.. I am all for it. It is condemning the whos who in muslim humanitarian efforts to an eternity of suffering that is bad.

If you believe Jesus would send all muslims to hell for not worshiping him.. then Jesus is a fucking ass hole.

I agree. And the same goes for Allah.

CorporateWhore · September 2008

dunkman wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/mid/7596168.stm

he's a vicar with over 55,000 pics of children. now obviously he is a sexual deviant of the worst kind... but he also believes in god... am i right in saying that he goes to heaven under the whole belief in god loophole that most death-row prisoners try?

He's a protestant Anglican so he's going to hell anyway

If he were Catholic he'd have the binding of the Vicar of Christ, Pope Benedict XVI!

DixieN · September 2008

I don't think there is a heaven or hell, so I don't think he's going to do anything but die and rot like the rest of us. But, in the meantime, he might have some serious remorse, if he has any conscience at all.

Anon · September 2008

He won't go to heaven because i don't think heaven exists.
I don’t believe in god because nobody has proven his existence.

When i was little i believed, because it seemed to be the safest path. I was raised Catholic and and looked at it this way..

If you believe in god and he exists, you get to go to heaven.
If you believe in god and he doesn’t exist, nothing happens.
If you don’t believe in god and he exists, you go to hell.
If you don’t believe in god and he doesn’t exist, nothing happens.

writersu wrote:

God protects the weak and the young I have been taught.

I respect your views but don't agree. If, your god is real, how does he choose who to protect? Some kids live. Some die. What's the criteria you have to meet to be 'worthy' of being saved.

writersu · September 2008

Pj_Gurl wrote:

He won't go to heaven because i don't think heaven exists.
I don’t believe in god because nobody has proven his existence.

When i was little i believed, because it seemed to be the safest path. I was raised Catholic and and looked at it this way..

If you believe in god and he exists, you get to go to heaven.
If you believe in god and he doesn’t exist, nothing happens.
If you don’t believe in god and he exists, you go to hell.
If you don’t believe in god and he doesn’t exist, nothing happens.

I respect your views but don't agree. If, your god is real, how does he choose who to protect? Some kids live. Some die. What's the criteria you have to meet to be 'worthy' of being saved.

OK so all kinds of people get what they don't deserve; beleivers and non beleivers. But what I mean is that those who hurt innocent people will get judged for their behavior.
I will never understand why some things happen to people. That is where my faith is tested time and time again. And sometimes it doesn't pass the test.

Cosmo · September 2008

Pj_Gurl wrote:

He won't go to heaven because i don't think heaven exists.
I don’t believe in god because nobody has proven his existence.

When i was little i believed, because it seemed to be the safest path. I was raised Catholic and and looked at it this way..

If you believe in god and he exists, you get to go to heaven.
If you believe in god and he doesn’t exist, nothing happens.
If you don’t believe in god and he exists, you go to hell.
If you don’t believe in god and he doesn’t exist, nothing happens.

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I heard this decades ago when I was going to Bible study as a teen and saw the hypocracy of the Church, it's leaders and it's followers.
This logic tried to convince me it is in my best interests to Believe in God (Jesus)... JUST IN CASE He exists.
I said, I'm sorry... I can't believe as a Cover My Ass contingency. And if you are the type who would believe, 'Just in Case'... what does that tell me about you? What does it tell you about yourself.

Cosmo · September 2008

writersu wrote:

OK so all kinds of people get what they don't deserve; beleivers and non beleivers. But what I mean is that those who hurt innocent people will get judged for their behavior.
I will never understand why some things happen to people. That is where my faith is tested time and time again. And sometimes it doesn't pass the test.

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We shouldn't blame or credit God for that. It is chance... probability and outcome. If you place yourself in potentially dangerous situations, there is a greater probability that you will experience danger.
Con men getting away with stuff has nothing to do with God. They are simply men who can recognize human weaknesses and pery on them and have no remorse.. for whatever reasons.
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We just WANT God to exist so they don't get away with it. We want God to exist so O.J. doesn't get away with it.
Truth is... there's a chance that O.J. will get away with it. And it is beyond our control.

catefrances · September 2008

NMyTree wrote:

Not believing is the only thing, unforgivable.

:D

Sheesh, just typing that out illustrates it's absurdity ....it's lunacy.

not true. suicide is unforgiveable as well. you cant ask forgiveness for killing yourself. not that i would ask... but apparently thems the rules.

Anon · September 2008

Cosmo wrote:

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I heard this decades ago when I was going to Bible study as a teen and saw the hypocracy of the Church, it's leaders and it's followers.
This logic tried to convince me it is in my best interests to Believe in God (Jesus)... JUST IN CASE He exists.
I said, I'm sorry... I can't believe as a Cover My Ass contingency. And if you are the type who would believe, 'Just in Case'... what does that tell me about you? What does it tell you about yourself.

It's ok cosmo, i already said i don't believe anymore. (not sure if that last comment was directed at me or not sorry) I was just a little kid, wanting to please my parents. I was innocent, hadn't been exposed to things that made me question faith and i absolutely believed pretty much anything a grown up told me. As you do.

Cosmo · September 2008

Pj_Gurl wrote:

It's ok cosmo, i already said i don't believe anymore. (not sure if that last comment was directed at me or not sorry) I was just a little kid, wanting to please my parents. I was innocent, hadn't been exposed to things that made me question faith and i absolutely believed pretty much anything a grown up told me. As you do.

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Sorry. No, it was not directed at you.
It was said to those people who tried that voodoo logic on me as a teen.

Anon · September 2008

catch22 wrote:

so much thinly veiled prejudice here.

as to the subject at hand, i find it interesting the violence and hatred in here. i've noticed something in movies and tv and books these days. we've become totally desensitized. murderers, fraud, whatever. it doesn't scare us anymore and it doesn't disgust us and there is a mountain of excuses and rationalizations for all of them. crimes against children is all that's left. think about this next time you pick up a thriller about a serial killer or watch a tv show or movie about someone who is supposed to be some embodiment of evil. 9 times out of 10, they'll throw child abuse in there, because nothing else shocks us anymore. it's the last bastion.

not saying this guy doesn't deserve it, just saying there's something wrong with a culture that treats ted bundy as a celebrity and wears t-shirts for him and will only muster moral outrage when it's something like this involved.

Aint that the truth. Please stay, I like your posts.

That is all..

LONGRD · September 2008

chopitdown wrote:

Matthew 7

"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

Bingo. We've got a winner!

will this guy still go to heaven?

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