The Final Debate Thread
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it should come down to a simple..
"hands up who wants to be president?... Ok Barack it is."oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.0 -
scb wrote:And I think that's fair. People act like CEOs earned their millions fair and square, due entirely to working harder than their workers who make less. But that's total BS. CEOs become obscenely rich through the EXPLOITATION of workers. Just because they are in positions of power which enable them to take more than their fair share of the money doesn't make it right. Not only is Obama right to want to spread the wealth a little more fairly, but it just makes good economic sense for our whole country to invest in healthcare, education, etc.
You'll notice I said money that is RIGHTFULLY theirs. Money they earned illegally or unjustly is not rightfully theirs. That's for the courts to handle.
And when there is injustice we need to fight the injustice, not tax them after the fact.I pledge to you a government that will not only work well, but wisely, its ability to act tempered by prudence, and its willingness to do good, balanced by the knowledge that government is never more dangerous than when our desire to have it help us blinds us to its great power to harm us.
-Reagan0 -
Has there ever been a time in american history (after the independance) when there was no taxes at all?jeffbr wrote:Buffet is completely full of shit on this issue. If he wants to pay more taxes, he is certainly welcome to. In fact, he is allowed to write that check for any amount equal to or greater than the amount he owes. So what stops him? Why doesn't he write out a check to the feds for whatever amount he feels would be his fair share?
If he wants to spread HIS wealth, that is certainly her perogative. But to suggest that the government should take more of peoples' money just because Buffet can afford it is complete horshit. And taking peoples' money by force to give it to others isn't charity, it is extortion. So you may be fooled by Buffet and Obama, but many of us see it for what it is.
(This is a serious question btw)
haha, good stuffdunkman wrote:it should come down to a simple..
"hands up who wants to be president?... Ok Barack it is."
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I was flipping around a number of things during the debate.
I think I heard that McCain wants to bring troops home and give tem jobs as teachers without training.
Is thsi true?0 -
The fact that people think Obama won that debate, shows me that the idiots have truly taken over.
Pulling out hair...0 -
jeffbr wrote:Buffet is completely full of shit on this issue. If he wants to pay more taxes, he is certainly welcome to. In fact, he is allowed to write that check for any amount equal to or greater than the amount he owes. So what stops him? Why doesn't he write out a check to the feds for whatever amount he feels would be his fair share?
If he wants to spread HIS wealth, that is certainly her perogative. But to suggest that the government should take more of peoples' money just because Buffet can afford it is complete horshit. And taking peoples' money by force to give it to others isn't charity, it is extortion. So you may be fooled by Buffet and Obama, but many of us see it for what it is.
Funny that you use Warren Buffet as the example for being full of shit on this issue, since he is one of the few multi-millioniares that is completely NOT full of shit on this point. Case in point:
http://money.cnn.com/2006/06/25/magazines/fortune/charity1.fortune/0 -
I think McCain easily won this debate...he's too far behind now to matter though. He should have used the "I'm not Bush. If you wanted to run against George W Bush, you should have run 4 years ago" line LONG AGO, it may have been a stimulus in the past, now, it's a great line, true, but can't make the difference needed.
All in all, I'm left wanting for more. I'm tired of McCain always referring to me as "My Friends" and I'm really tired of the condescending way Barrack always says "look" before making a comment. But, as for last nights debate, I found myself wanting to reach through the screen and punch McCain less times than Obama...so I think McCain won the debate. If McCain could have be more clear and not stumbled when talking abotu Judges and a few other topics, it would have been a huge victory for him.
Obama will be the next president. He will quickly find it very difficult to pay for everything he says and "not raise taxes on 95% of Americans"...it should be interesting. One thing I think is kinda interesting, the obama camp use to say no person making over $250,000 a year will have their taxes raised...recently they are saying no "family" with an income over $250,000....big difference.hippiemom = goodness0 -
prytoj wrote:yeah, we're paying for that for sure, I didn't vote for for that guy either.
Clinton'96, Bush'00, Kerry'04, McCain'08
An Obama presidency is unacceptable, vote with you head, not your heart.
what makes your opinion so much better....? I'm guessing you relate to McCain's anger issues....0 -
cincybearcat wrote:I think McCain easily won this debate...he's too far behind now to matter though. He should have used the "I'm not Bush. If you wanted to run against George W Bush, you should have run 4 years ago" line LONG AGO, it may have been a stimulus in the past, now, it's a great line, true, but can't make the difference needed.
All in all, I'm left wanting for more. I'm tired of McCain always referring to me as "My Friends" and I'm really tired of the condescending way Barrack always says "look" before making a comment. But, as for last nights debate, I found myself wanting to reach through the screen and punch McCain less times than Obama...so I think McCain won the debate. If McCain could have be more clear and not stumbled when talking abotu Judges and a few other topics, it would have been a huge victory for him.
Obama will be the next president. He will quickly find it very difficult to pay for everything he says and "not raise taxes on 95% of Americans"...it should be interesting. One thing I think is kinda interesting, the obama camp use to say no person making over $250,000 a year will have their taxes raised...recently they are saying no "family" with an income over $250,000....big difference.
I hope you're wrong, but the silver lining there is Paul '12 when this next four years of bumbling incompetence we'll call the Obama years wakes people up for once.0 -
MattyJoe wrote:
The guy's a fricken socialist, Obama that is. "Spread the wealth around." Direct quote. If that's not Socialism, I don't know what the fuck is!!
I find it hilarious that you started this post by accusing everyone of being superficial.... and the will to show I will always be better than before.0 -
Socialism is the new Liberal....0
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The thing about McCain is that his message is muddled at best; he stresses less government involvement, but then commits to a program of the government buying up bad mortgages (as "socialist" as anything Obama has done). He wants a spending freeze but then says that things need to be cut. He stresses lower taxes and lower spending, and then talks about all the different things that need more funding. He, like Obama, says things like needing to "develop energy independence", "properly fund our troops", "better health care", the list goes on. McCain, for all his criticism of "big-spender" Obama seems to give it out like candy himself. Problem with that is that he's not showing us how he's going to pay for it. You can't cut taxes and raise spending; it just won't work. And on top of that, he's going to balance the budget? How exactly is he going to do that? His message in this regard is a mess.0
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a couple other thoughts, the Joe the Plumber stuff was annoying....I'm sorry, but I don't feel bad about Mr. Plumber and his horrible plight...:rolleyes:
and when did it become a bad thing to be eloquent...?0
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