At least 20 dead in campus shootings at Virginia Tech

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  • somebodyelsessky2020
    somebodyelsessky2020 Posts: 1,178
    soulsinging wrote:
    airplanes always had seatbelts and the terror warnings are a bullshit waste of time. this is alarmism at its finest. they still don't know who actually did the shooting, it's a bit premature to be saying what should have been done to prevent it when we don't even know what happened yet. that's like trying to build a bridge before bothering to study architecture. it's ridiculous.
    ok whatever..airplanes always had seatbelts i'm sure that the wright brothers had the seatbelts made before they ever made the wings. well what we do know is 32 people got killed by gunfire in a classroom inside a school what more do you need to know the caliber of gun? did the guy go to the bathroom to take a shit before starting the killings? if so maybe he didn't even bother to wipe his ass afterwards. all key factors in coming up with ideas to help solve the problem..all contradictions once again from you i'm not surprised.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
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    ProvidenceHunter wrote:
    People value the lifes of people they feel an association with more than the live of some one they do not. It is also a simple concept.

    Americans value the life of other Americans more than the lives of not Americans.

    Can you honestly tell me you value every life equally?
    If forced to chose between a relative or some random muslim in Iraq whose live would you save?

    It is a simple concept.
    What part did you miss?

    Your example is flawed. Relatives are blood. What you're talking about sounds like racism.

    try again...doh!
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  • lucylespian
    lucylespian Posts: 2,403
    reborncareerist wrote:
    If people are going to take the usual short-sighted approach and turn this tragedy into another gun control debate, then count me out. I am not interested.

    If anyone wants to talk about motives or other causes that actually have something to do with human agency, let me know.

    UN-be-fucking-lievable !!!!!
    TAlking about gun controlis short-sighted !!

    Not like shoving your head in teh sand, oh, no, now thats long term strategic thinking that is.
    HOw many of these incidents need to happen before America starts to give a shit ???
    HAppened once in Australia and Little Johhny the Fucking Duck had the balls to remove ALL semi-automatic weapons fro circulation !!

    Motive matters a whole lot less when the means is lacking !!
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    lucylespian wrote:
    UN-be-fucking-lievable !!!!!
    TAlking about gun controlis short-sighted !!

    Not like shoving your head in teh sand, oh, no, now thats long term strategic thinking that is.
    HOw many of these incidents need to happen before America starts to give a shit ???
    HAppened once in Australia and Little Johhny the Fucking Duck had the balls to remove ALL semi-automatic weapons fro circulation !!

    Motive matters a whole lot less when the means is lacking !!

    something me and howard actually agree on.

    in april 1996 martin bryant murdered 35 people, the australian government brought in more restrictive changes to our firearms laws. since that day there have been no mass killings. is there a correlation between stricter laws and no mass killings? what do you think americans?
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  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    catefrances wrote:
    in april 1996 martin bryant murdered 35 people, the australian governemnt brought in more restrictive changes to our firearms laws. since that day there have been no mass killings.

    Right. But they weren't all that common before that were they?

    And they spend US$500,000,000 to buyback 600,000 firearms with little to no effect on crime rates (other than the fact that there have been no mass killings yet, perhaps due to the infrequency of such events).
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  • dkst0426
    dkst0426 Posts: 523
    If I may, why not take the debate portion of this discussion to the Gun Control thread?
  • lucylespian
    lucylespian Posts: 2,403
    dkst0426 wrote:
    If I may, why not take the debate portion of this discussion to the Gun Control thread?

    Cos the two are inextricable. Trying to separate gun control from these mass killings is facetious and peurile.
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  • dkst0426
    dkst0426 Posts: 523
    lucylespian wrote:
    Cos the two are inextricable. Trying to separate gun control from these mass killings is facetious and peurile.
    I see. Heaven forbid there be sincere condolences expressed without getting into the political aspect of things, I suppose.
  • lucylespian
    lucylespian Posts: 2,403
    dkst0426 wrote:
    I see. Heaven forbid there be sincere condolences expressed without getting into the political aspect of things, I suppose.

    It's not about not expressing sincere condolences. If you read my original post, it was in response to someone saying that discussing gun-control was a short-sighted reaction.

    Why can't I be shocked and amazed at theat knid of thinking ?? Sinceere condoloneces have been decidedly ineffective at preventing repeats after repeat of this event in teh US, but action on gun control has done wonders in other countries, reducing the need for condolences.

    I would like to think that the "geeks" on this borad can go to college without fear of this happening to them.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    jeffbr wrote:
    Right. But they weren't all that common before that were they?

    And they spend US$500,000,000 to buyback 600,000 firearms with little to no effect on crime rates (other than the fact that there have been no mass killings yet, perhaps due to the infrequency of such events).


    i agree. i am not a fan of any firearms and will often allow my outrage and indignation to get the better of me. such spree killings are a rare occurrence when weighed up against other crime involving firearms. if someone is desparate/determined enough to want to murder dozens of people then he will find a way to acquire such weapons, gun control or no gun control. australia just doesn't have the same mindset as america when it comes to the right to arm and the culture that is borne from that right. and i am grateful for it.

    but still these are senseless tragedies.
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  • Anon
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    lucylespian wrote:
    UN-be-fucking-lievable !!!!!
    TAlking about gun controlis short-sighted !!

    Not like shoving your head in teh sand, oh, no, now thats long term strategic thinking that is.
    HOw many of these incidents need to happen before America starts to give a shit ???
    HAppened once in Australia and Little Johhny the Fucking Duck had the balls to remove ALL semi-automatic weapons fro circulation !!

    Motive matters a whole lot less when the means is lacking !!

    What an absolute tragedy. I feel very sorry for everyone involved.

    Yes John howard did introduce stricter gun laws in Australia after the Port Arthur Massacre. I didn't realise that these news laws included handguns? It's being reported that a handgun was used in the Virginia Massacare. There's approx 250,000 handguns in Australia. Don't kid yourself. It could happen here.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    how many times am I going to hear from the media.....


    "worst school shooting in history"


    records are meant to be broken. stop saying that.
  • even flow?
    even flow? Posts: 8,066
    jlew24asu wrote:
    how many times am I going to hear from the media.....


    "worst school shooting in history"


    records are meant to be broken. stop saying that.


    And the fact that there is somebody with access to a gun who thinks this exact thing is scary.
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    even flow? wrote:
    And the fact that there is somebody with access to a gun who thinks this exact thing is scary.


    so we should take away access to guns for everybody?
  • even flow?
    even flow? Posts: 8,066
    jlew24asu wrote:
    so we should take away access to guns for everybody?


    To go back to the top. Yeah. But I realize that is impossible. Maybe we should just start saying, "who cares, it is expected" when people get shot. After all that is what guns are designed to do.

    33 dead. Who gives a shit. Guns kill and we all know it. Big deal. Has a nice ring to it, eh. Better then "oh I can't believe what happened".
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    even flow? wrote:
    To go back to the top. Yeah. But I realize that is impossible. Maybe we should just start saying, "who cares, it is expected" when people get shot. After all that is what guns are designed to do.

    33 dead. Who gives a shit. Guns kill and we all know it. Big deal. Has a nice ring to it, eh. Better then "oh I can't believe what happened".

    you make no sense. you want to take away all guns but you realize its impossible. try again
  • even flow?
    even flow? Posts: 8,066
    jlew24asu wrote:
    you make no sense. you want to take away all guns but you realize its impossible. try again


    What is there to try, again. I realize smoking kills and they aren't going to get rid of ciggies are they. Same bloody thing. Money to be made and the rest can just fall by the wayside. How was that for trying. Now if you can only understand. Kind of like the States don't want others to have the bomb but they can. Am I dealing with that kind of mentality with all the people from down there who need things spelled out for them? Geez it isn't that tough. I will watch for you to jump on the next person in the smoking debate. Ask them why they want smoking band but they still make them. Answer that and you will enlighten yourself on the gun debate.
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    even flow? wrote:
    What is there to try, again. I realize smoking kills and they aren't going to get rid of ciggies are they. Same bloody thing. Money to be made and the rest can just fall by the wayside. How was that for trying. Now if you can only understand. Kind of like the States don't want others to have the bomb but they can. Am I dealing with that kind of mentality with all the people from down there who need things spelled out for them? Geez it isn't that tough. I will watch for you to jump on the next person in the smoking debate. Ask them why they want smoking band but they still make them. Answer that and you will enlighten yourself on the gun debate.

    please enlighten me. you have said nothing intelligent yet. maybe you should learn how to debate. what is it you want? a ban on all guns? ok how will you do this without getting many good people killed. will the police be allowed guns?


    all you have done is bitch about american mentality and how smoking kills. try again
  • sonicreducer
    sonicreducer Posts: 713
    i got an email today from our president here at clemson. i figured you might want to read it,...

    Dear Clemson:

    The tragedy at Virginia Tech has touched all of us at Clemson. We are sister land-grant schools and sister ACC schools. Those of us on the Clemson campus want to help in some way in this tragedy. Our campus is responding in a number of ways from offering grief counseling from our counseling center to offers of assistance from my office to President Steger’s office at Virginia Tech. Student leaders are planning activities as a show of sympathy and support for our friends and colleagues in Blacksburg. We will find additional ways to offer comfort in the days ahead.

    There is one thing we can do today. At 2 pm on the Virginia Tech campus there will be a gathering of faculty, staff and students at Cassell Coliseum to begin the collective grieving process.

    I ask that you pause for one moment at 2 pm today, wherever you are, and quietly join the Clemson Family with the Virginia Tech Family. My hope is that this individual and collective act on our campus will be of some comfort to the faculty, staff and students at Virginia Tech.

    We also are responding to the needs of our own community. We are evaluating and reviewing all of our own security and communications systems in light of these devastating events. Faculty are engaging students in class discussions. Many of us have friends, colleagues, former students or even family members at Virginia Tech. If you or someone you know would benefit from counseling or university outreach, help is available through the Dean of Students or Counseling and Psychological Services

    Thank you.

    James F. Barker, FAIA
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