This is true. I would imagine there are alot of officials shaking their heads in disbelief tonite. Hindsight is 20/20 as they say. I am sure if they'd known, they would have done anything in their power to prevent this.
Right now I am just too sad to want to point fingers. There will be plenty of time for that.
I feel for you.. Of all the people in this tragedy... you posting here on this story brings it home more than anything else I can read.
cos im opposed to ridiculous mass hysteria. nobody knows how many people were shooting, who they were, what they were doing, or anything else. yet we're already to spew our "expert joe american" opinion on what should be done. we dont even know what HAPPENED. how can anyone presume to know how best to respond? it's fucking ridiculous. i cannot believe they have call lines about this. how about people taking one moment to pause and respect the dead before we go spouting off about our political agendas?
all i said was i think a pa or some sort of alarm signal would be faster than emailing or texting the entire student population which was reported by a student live on the phone with cnn to take 2 hours after the fact. to notify them of something this important and you spouted off about the cost, the once every 1000 year theory and whatnot. a school is a school whether it be college or elementary it's another school shooting and they have been frequent. and my name's not joe but i am american. of course i'm saddened i respect the dead ..but they might not have been dead if we didn't pause all the time instead of acting.
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when was the last school shooting at virginia tech? when was the last one on a college campus in general? how many lives did the PA system they DID have at columbine save?
this goes to show you what we have learned from it.. not much obviously!
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all i said was i think a pa or some sort of alarm signal would be faster than emailing or texting the entire student population which was reported by a student live on the phone with cnn to take 2 hours after the fact. to notify them of something this important and you spouted off about the cost, the once every 1000 year theory and whatnot. a school is a school whether it be college or elementary it's another school shooting and they have been frequent. and my name's not joe but i'm am american. of course i'm saddened i respect the dead ..but they might not have been dead if we didn't pause all the time instead of acting.
they did act down there...obviously, they didn't do enough, but in some cases you can't do enough...everyone has a better idea or says they would handle it differently, those are usually people who don't have to make the decisions that affects 25,000 + people. I'm sure what they thought at 715 after the first incident was the right call given the information; I'm sure they aren't playing poker with students lives.
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they did act down there...obviously, they didn't do enough, but in some cases you can't do enough...everyone has a better idea or says they would handle it differently, those are usually people who don't have to make the decisions that affects 25,000 + people. I'm sure what they thought at 715 after the first incident was the right call given the information; I'm sure they aren't playing poker with students lives.
yes i agree with you totally of course they did. it's SOULSINGING who is popping off contradicting everything and contributing nothing. like ohh it only happens once every 1000 years we don't need to change anything it'd be to costly. saying this is a college not the same as the previous school shootings. ohh how many did the pa save at columbine and so on and so on. well airplanes have seat belts and homeland security has the terror alert system now how many lives have airplane seat belts actually saved or the terror alert system. not a whole lot but we spent money on them and we have them . so every precaution we can think of should be taken into account and be added to help protect our schools.
Oh dear dad
Can you see me now
I am myself
Like you somehow
I'll ride the wave
Where it takes me
I'll hold the pain
Release me
This is why you're sitting at a computer instead of out in the real world,becuase you're too simple to comprehend events like this.Do everyone a favour and get off off your lazy ass and go into the real world for a while and see how smart you are then.
thanks for enlightening me you fucking prick. wtf does any of that mean? maybe you should have read my other posts in this thread,...
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yes i agree with you totally of course they did. it's SOULSINGING who is popping off contradicting everything and contributing nothing. like ohh it only happens once every 1000 years we don't need to change anything it'd be to costly. saying this is a college not the same as the previous school shootings. ohh how many did the pa save at columbine and so on and so on. well airplanes have seat belts and homeland security has the terror alert system now how many lives have airplane seat belts actually saved or the terror alert system. not a whole lot but we spent money on them and we have them . so every precaution we can think of should be taken into account and be added to help protect our schools.
airplanes always had seatbelts and the terror warnings are a bullshit waste of time. this is alarmism at its finest. they still don't know who actually did the shooting, it's a bit premature to be saying what should have been done to prevent it when we don't even know what happened yet. that's like trying to build a bridge before bothering to study architecture. it's ridiculous.
airplanes always had seatbelts and the terror warnings are a bullshit waste of time. this is alarmism at its finest. they still don't know who actually did the shooting, it's a bit premature to be saying what should have been done to prevent it when we don't even know what happened yet. that's like trying to build a bridge before bothering to study architecture. it's ridiculous.
You're right. You can't determine what should be done before you know what happened. And even then, people can be kept safe, but how far are you willing to go and how much $ are you willing to spend to protect everyone everywhere from the whim of a madman with a gun.
Authorities were investigating whether the gunman who killed 32 people on the Virginia Tech campus in the deadliest shooting rampage in U.S. history was a Chinese man who arrived in the United States last year on a student visa.
The 24-year-old man arrived in San Francisco on United Airlines on Aug. 7 on a visa issued in Shanghai, the source said. Investigators have not linked him to any terrorist groups, the source said.
Police believe three bomb threats on the campus last week may have been attempts by the man to test the campus’ security response, the source said.
The exits to the buildings where the shootings occurred were chained by the shooter, the source said.
Students complained that there were no public address announcements or other warnings on campus after the first burst of gunfire. They said the first word they received from the university was an e-mail more than two hours into the rampage — around the time the gunman struck again.
Virginia Tech President Charles Steger said authorities believed the shooting at the dorm was a domestic dispute and mistakenly thought the gunman had fled the campus.
‘‘We had no reason to suspect any other incident was going to occur,’’ he said.
Chinese. :( Not a good day for the mother race. Well, not a good day, period.
The Monday-morning quarterbacking will say that the school and the police force reacted wrongly. It's too easy to second-guess. If they had gone into complete lockdown and nothing happened, people would have criticized them for being too paranoid and overreacting.
Pretty disappointing reactions here so far. 33 people dead, and people on this board are arguing over viewpoints? C'mon.....
airplanes always had seatbelts and the terror warnings are a bullshit waste of time. this is alarmism at its finest. they still don't know who actually did the shooting, it's a bit premature to be saying what should have been done to prevent it when we don't even know what happened yet. that's like trying to build a bridge before bothering to study architecture. it's ridiculous.
ok whatever..airplanes always had seatbelts i'm sure that the wright brothers had the seatbelts made before they ever made the wings. well what we do know is 32 people got killed by gunfire in a classroom inside a school what more do you need to know the caliber of gun? did the guy go to the bathroom to take a shit before starting the killings? if so maybe he didn't even bother to wipe his ass afterwards. all key factors in coming up with ideas to help solve the problem..all contradictions once again from you i'm not surprised.
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I am myself
Like you somehow
I'll ride the wave
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I'll hold the pain
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People value the lifes of people they feel an association with more than the live of some one they do not. It is also a simple concept.
Americans value the life of other Americans more than the lives of not Americans.
Can you honestly tell me you value every life equally?
If forced to chose between a relative or some random muslim in Iraq whose live would you save?
It is a simple concept.
What part did you miss?
Your example is flawed. Relatives are blood. What you're talking about sounds like racism.
try again...doh!
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
If people are going to take the usual short-sighted approach and turn this tragedy into another gun control debate, then count me out. I am not interested.
If anyone wants to talk about motives or other causes that actually have something to do with human agency, let me know.
UN-be-fucking-lievable !!!!!
TAlking about gun controlis short-sighted !!
Not like shoving your head in teh sand, oh, no, now thats long term strategic thinking that is.
HOw many of these incidents need to happen before America starts to give a shit ???
HAppened once in Australia and Little Johhny the Fucking Duck had the balls to remove ALL semi-automatic weapons fro circulation !!
Motive matters a whole lot less when the means is lacking !!
UN-be-fucking-lievable !!!!!
TAlking about gun controlis short-sighted !!
Not like shoving your head in teh sand, oh, no, now thats long term strategic thinking that is.
HOw many of these incidents need to happen before America starts to give a shit ???
HAppened once in Australia and Little Johhny the Fucking Duck had the balls to remove ALL semi-automatic weapons fro circulation !!
Motive matters a whole lot less when the means is lacking !!
something me and howard actually agree on.
in april 1996 martin bryant murdered 35 people, the australian government brought in more restrictive changes to our firearms laws. since that day there have been no mass killings. is there a correlation between stricter laws and no mass killings? what do you think americans?
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in april 1996 martin bryant murdered 35 people, the australian governemnt brought in more restrictive changes to our firearms laws. since that day there have been no mass killings.
Right. But they weren't all that common before that were they?
And they spend US$500,000,000 to buyback 600,000 firearms with little to no effect on crime rates (other than the fact that there have been no mass killings yet, perhaps due to the infrequency of such events).
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I see. Heaven forbid there be sincere condolences expressed without getting into the political aspect of things, I suppose.
It's not about not expressing sincere condolences. If you read my original post, it was in response to someone saying that discussing gun-control was a short-sighted reaction.
Why can't I be shocked and amazed at theat knid of thinking ?? Sinceere condoloneces have been decidedly ineffective at preventing repeats after repeat of this event in teh US, but action on gun control has done wonders in other countries, reducing the need for condolences.
I would like to think that the "geeks" on this borad can go to college without fear of this happening to them.
Right. But they weren't all that common before that were they?
And they spend US$500,000,000 to buyback 600,000 firearms with little to no effect on crime rates (other than the fact that there have been no mass killings yet, perhaps due to the infrequency of such events).
i agree. i am not a fan of any firearms and will often allow my outrage and indignation to get the better of me. such spree killings are a rare occurrence when weighed up against other crime involving firearms. if someone is desparate/determined enough to want to murder dozens of people then he will find a way to acquire such weapons, gun control or no gun control. australia just doesn't have the same mindset as america when it comes to the right to arm and the culture that is borne from that right. and i am grateful for it.
but still these are senseless tragedies.
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UN-be-fucking-lievable !!!!!
TAlking about gun controlis short-sighted !!
Not like shoving your head in teh sand, oh, no, now thats long term strategic thinking that is.
HOw many of these incidents need to happen before America starts to give a shit ???
HAppened once in Australia and Little Johhny the Fucking Duck had the balls to remove ALL semi-automatic weapons fro circulation !!
Motive matters a whole lot less when the means is lacking !!
What an absolute tragedy. I feel very sorry for everyone involved.
Yes John howard did introduce stricter gun laws in Australia after the Port Arthur Massacre. I didn't realise that these news laws included handguns? It's being reported that a handgun was used in the Virginia Massacare. There's approx 250,000 handguns in Australia. Don't kid yourself. It could happen here.
so we should take away access to guns for everybody?
To go back to the top. Yeah. But I realize that is impossible. Maybe we should just start saying, "who cares, it is expected" when people get shot. After all that is what guns are designed to do.
33 dead. Who gives a shit. Guns kill and we all know it. Big deal. Has a nice ring to it, eh. Better then "oh I can't believe what happened".
To go back to the top. Yeah. But I realize that is impossible. Maybe we should just start saying, "who cares, it is expected" when people get shot. After all that is what guns are designed to do.
33 dead. Who gives a shit. Guns kill and we all know it. Big deal. Has a nice ring to it, eh. Better then "oh I can't believe what happened".
you make no sense. you want to take away all guns but you realize its impossible. try again
you make no sense. you want to take away all guns but you realize its impossible. try again
What is there to try, again. I realize smoking kills and they aren't going to get rid of ciggies are they. Same bloody thing. Money to be made and the rest can just fall by the wayside. How was that for trying. Now if you can only understand. Kind of like the States don't want others to have the bomb but they can. Am I dealing with that kind of mentality with all the people from down there who need things spelled out for them? Geez it isn't that tough. I will watch for you to jump on the next person in the smoking debate. Ask them why they want smoking band but they still make them. Answer that and you will enlighten yourself on the gun debate.
What is there to try, again. I realize smoking kills and they aren't going to get rid of ciggies are they. Same bloody thing. Money to be made and the rest can just fall by the wayside. How was that for trying. Now if you can only understand. Kind of like the States don't want others to have the bomb but they can. Am I dealing with that kind of mentality with all the people from down there who need things spelled out for them? Geez it isn't that tough. I will watch for you to jump on the next person in the smoking debate. Ask them why they want smoking band but they still make them. Answer that and you will enlighten yourself on the gun debate.
please enlighten me. you have said nothing intelligent yet. maybe you should learn how to debate. what is it you want? a ban on all guns? ok how will you do this without getting many good people killed. will the police be allowed guns?
all you have done is bitch about american mentality and how smoking kills. try again
i got an email today from our president here at clemson. i figured you might want to read it,...
Dear Clemson:
The tragedy at Virginia Tech has touched all of us at Clemson. We are sister land-grant schools and sister ACC schools. Those of us on the Clemson campus want to help in some way in this tragedy. Our campus is responding in a number of ways from offering grief counseling from our counseling center to offers of assistance from my office to President Steger’s office at Virginia Tech. Student leaders are planning activities as a show of sympathy and support for our friends and colleagues in Blacksburg. We will find additional ways to offer comfort in the days ahead.
There is one thing we can do today. At 2 pm on the Virginia Tech campus there will be a gathering of faculty, staff and students at Cassell Coliseum to begin the collective grieving process.
I ask that you pause for one moment at 2 pm today, wherever you are, and quietly join the Clemson Family with the Virginia Tech Family. My hope is that this individual and collective act on our campus will be of some comfort to the faculty, staff and students at Virginia Tech.
We also are responding to the needs of our own community. We are evaluating and reviewing all of our own security and communications systems in light of these devastating events. Faculty are engaging students in class discussions. Many of us have friends, colleagues, former students or even family members at Virginia Tech. If you or someone you know would benefit from counseling or university outreach, help is available through the Dean of Students or Counseling and Psychological Services
Thank you.
James F. Barker, FAIA
President
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Can you see me now
I am myself
Like you somehow
I'll ride the wave
Where it takes me
I'll hold the pain
Release me
Can you see me now
I am myself
Like you somehow
I'll ride the wave
Where it takes me
I'll hold the pain
Release me
People value the lifes of people they feel an association with more than the live of some one they do not. It is also a simple concept.
Americans value the life of other Americans more than the lives of not Americans.
Can you honestly tell me you value every life equally?
If forced to chose between a relative or some random muslim in Iraq whose live would you save?
It is a simple concept.
What part did you miss?
they did act down there...obviously, they didn't do enough, but in some cases you can't do enough...everyone has a better idea or says they would handle it differently, those are usually people who don't have to make the decisions that affects 25,000 + people. I'm sure what they thought at 715 after the first incident was the right call given the information; I'm sure they aren't playing poker with students lives.
Can you see me now
I am myself
Like you somehow
I'll ride the wave
Where it takes me
I'll hold the pain
Release me
thanks for enlightening me you fucking prick. wtf does any of that mean? maybe you should have read my other posts in this thread,...
~Ron Burgundy
airplanes always had seatbelts and the terror warnings are a bullshit waste of time. this is alarmism at its finest. they still don't know who actually did the shooting, it's a bit premature to be saying what should have been done to prevent it when we don't even know what happened yet. that's like trying to build a bridge before bothering to study architecture. it's ridiculous.
You're right. You can't determine what should be done before you know what happened. And even then, people can be kept safe, but how far are you willing to go and how much $ are you willing to spend to protect everyone everywhere from the whim of a madman with a gun.
Chinese. :( Not a good day for the mother race. Well, not a good day, period.
The Monday-morning quarterbacking will say that the school and the police force reacted wrongly. It's too easy to second-guess. If they had gone into complete lockdown and nothing happened, people would have criticized them for being too paranoid and overreacting.
Pretty disappointing reactions here so far. 33 people dead, and people on this board are arguing over viewpoints? C'mon.....
Can you see me now
I am myself
Like you somehow
I'll ride the wave
Where it takes me
I'll hold the pain
Release me
Your example is flawed. Relatives are blood. What you're talking about sounds like racism.
try again...doh!
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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UN-be-fucking-lievable !!!!!
TAlking about gun controlis short-sighted !!
Not like shoving your head in teh sand, oh, no, now thats long term strategic thinking that is.
HOw many of these incidents need to happen before America starts to give a shit ???
HAppened once in Australia and Little Johhny the Fucking Duck had the balls to remove ALL semi-automatic weapons fro circulation !!
Motive matters a whole lot less when the means is lacking !!
something me and howard actually agree on.
in april 1996 martin bryant murdered 35 people, the australian government brought in more restrictive changes to our firearms laws. since that day there have been no mass killings. is there a correlation between stricter laws and no mass killings? what do you think americans?
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Right. But they weren't all that common before that were they?
And they spend US$500,000,000 to buyback 600,000 firearms with little to no effect on crime rates (other than the fact that there have been no mass killings yet, perhaps due to the infrequency of such events).
Cos the two are inextricable. Trying to separate gun control from these mass killings is facetious and peurile.
It's not about not expressing sincere condolences. If you read my original post, it was in response to someone saying that discussing gun-control was a short-sighted reaction.
Why can't I be shocked and amazed at theat knid of thinking ?? Sinceere condoloneces have been decidedly ineffective at preventing repeats after repeat of this event in teh US, but action on gun control has done wonders in other countries, reducing the need for condolences.
I would like to think that the "geeks" on this borad can go to college without fear of this happening to them.
i agree. i am not a fan of any firearms and will often allow my outrage and indignation to get the better of me. such spree killings are a rare occurrence when weighed up against other crime involving firearms. if someone is desparate/determined enough to want to murder dozens of people then he will find a way to acquire such weapons, gun control or no gun control. australia just doesn't have the same mindset as america when it comes to the right to arm and the culture that is borne from that right. and i am grateful for it.
but still these are senseless tragedies.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
What an absolute tragedy. I feel very sorry for everyone involved.
Yes John howard did introduce stricter gun laws in Australia after the Port Arthur Massacre. I didn't realise that these news laws included handguns? It's being reported that a handgun was used in the Virginia Massacare. There's approx 250,000 handguns in Australia. Don't kid yourself. It could happen here.
"worst school shooting in history"
records are meant to be broken. stop saying that.
And the fact that there is somebody with access to a gun who thinks this exact thing is scary.
so we should take away access to guns for everybody?
To go back to the top. Yeah. But I realize that is impossible. Maybe we should just start saying, "who cares, it is expected" when people get shot. After all that is what guns are designed to do.
33 dead. Who gives a shit. Guns kill and we all know it. Big deal. Has a nice ring to it, eh. Better then "oh I can't believe what happened".
you make no sense. you want to take away all guns but you realize its impossible. try again
What is there to try, again. I realize smoking kills and they aren't going to get rid of ciggies are they. Same bloody thing. Money to be made and the rest can just fall by the wayside. How was that for trying. Now if you can only understand. Kind of like the States don't want others to have the bomb but they can. Am I dealing with that kind of mentality with all the people from down there who need things spelled out for them? Geez it isn't that tough. I will watch for you to jump on the next person in the smoking debate. Ask them why they want smoking band but they still make them. Answer that and you will enlighten yourself on the gun debate.
please enlighten me. you have said nothing intelligent yet. maybe you should learn how to debate. what is it you want? a ban on all guns? ok how will you do this without getting many good people killed. will the police be allowed guns?
all you have done is bitch about american mentality and how smoking kills. try again
Dear Clemson:
The tragedy at Virginia Tech has touched all of us at Clemson. We are sister land-grant schools and sister ACC schools. Those of us on the Clemson campus want to help in some way in this tragedy. Our campus is responding in a number of ways from offering grief counseling from our counseling center to offers of assistance from my office to President Steger’s office at Virginia Tech. Student leaders are planning activities as a show of sympathy and support for our friends and colleagues in Blacksburg. We will find additional ways to offer comfort in the days ahead.
There is one thing we can do today. At 2 pm on the Virginia Tech campus there will be a gathering of faculty, staff and students at Cassell Coliseum to begin the collective grieving process.
I ask that you pause for one moment at 2 pm today, wherever you are, and quietly join the Clemson Family with the Virginia Tech Family. My hope is that this individual and collective act on our campus will be of some comfort to the faculty, staff and students at Virginia Tech.
We also are responding to the needs of our own community. We are evaluating and reviewing all of our own security and communications systems in light of these devastating events. Faculty are engaging students in class discussions. Many of us have friends, colleagues, former students or even family members at Virginia Tech. If you or someone you know would benefit from counseling or university outreach, help is available through the Dean of Students or Counseling and Psychological Services
Thank you.
James F. Barker, FAIA
President
~Ron Burgundy