At least 20 dead in campus shootings at Virginia Tech

gue_barium

somebodyelse'ssky wrote:

yeah it's been 1000 years since the last school shooting you're right. and why waste any money trying to save a kids life..they could just as easily be shot walking down the street on any day of the week.

I think VT did what it could in as timely manner as possible. I just read that on the first day of school on that same campus this school year, a dangerous gunman was tracked down to the grounds there, and class was suspended and everything locked down for the day. Obviously this shooter today had an agenda to follow and was familiar with where he was.
What's going to happen now, probably, is that college campuses across the country are going to tighten their security protocals. It'll be more Big Brother than ever, and I really feel for students entering college at this point and time in the country living under that sort of scrutinity.

soulsinging

bootlegger10 wrote:

I gotta disagree. When a jihadist kills he believes he will go to heaven and get who knows whatever. The jihadist admits that he or she kills in the name of Allah. American soldiers are not quoting Bible verses when they are war. They do not declare that they are killing in the name of Jesus.

I would like an example of the US killing in the name of Jesus. The reasons for the Iraq war are either democracy, freedom, weapons of mass destruction, or oil and are in no way tied to Christianity.

dyou know this? becos from what i've heard, plenty of our soldiers are big on the bible. but i was also thinking of mcveigh and nichols.. those upstanding lads who though it was their mission to kill all the niggers and jew and christians. then there are the abortion clinic shooters/bombers. it happens dude.

OneLove

gue_barium wrote:

I think VT did what it could in as timely manner as possible. I just read that on the first day of school on that same campus this school year, a dangerous gunman was tracked down to the grounds there, and class was suspended and everything locked down for the day. Obviously this shooter today had an agenda to follow and was familiar with where he was.
What's going to happen now, probably, is that college campuses across the country are going to tighten their security protocals. It'll be more Big Brother than ever, and I really feel for students entering college at this point and time in the country living under that sort of scrutinity.

The gunman that caused the lockdown earlier this year escaped from a hospital nearby where he was under police custody. I do NOT belive that he had any connection to the campus whatsoever. The campus was locked down due to geographic location alone, not due to any implied threat to the campus. I just want to be clear that this was not a similar event in that way.

catefrances

another sad day. :( :( when will enough be enough?

soulsinging

somebodyelse'ssky wrote:

yeah it's been 1000 years since the last school shooting you're right. and why waste any money trying to save a kids life..they could just as easily be shot walking down the street on any day of the week.

when was the last school shooting at virginia tech? when was the last one on a college campus in general? how many lives did the PA system they DID have at columbine save?

gue_barium

OneLove wrote:

The gunman that caused the lockdown earlier this year escaped from a hospital nearby where he was under police custody. I do NOT belive that he had any connection to the campus whatsoever. The campus was locked down due to geographic location alone, not due to any implied threat to the campus. I just want to be clear that this was not a similar event in that way.

But it does show that VT knew how to react to a threat on campus. The escapee was found on the campus grounds in some bushes.

somebodyelsessky2020

soulsinging wrote:

when was the last school shooting at virginia tech? when was the last one on a college campus in general? how many lives did the PA system they DID have at columbine save?

well since you know so much the networks are taking calls right now maybe your ideas can help save lives. instead of contradicting everything someone else says put that knowledge of yours to better use.i haven't heard anything useful come from you only negativity to others comments.

chopitdown

soulsinging wrote:

dyou know this? becos from what i've heard, plenty of our soldiers are big on the bible. but i was also thinking of mcveigh and nichols.. those upstanding lads who though it was their mission to kill all the niggers and jew and christians. then there are the abortion clinic shooters/bombers. it happens dude.

i wish i didn't have to but I agree. People pervert religion / beliefs all the time to suit personal agendas and unfortunately some of those agendas include murder.

soulsinging

somebodyelse'ssky wrote:

well since you know so much the networks are taking calls right now maybe your ideas can help save lives. instead of contradicting everything someone else says put that knowledge of yours to better use.i haven't heard anything useful come from you only negativity to others comments.

cos im opposed to ridiculous mass hysteria. nobody knows how many people were shooting, who they were, what they were doing, or anything else. yet we're already to spew our "expert joe american" opinion on what should be done. we dont even know what HAPPENED. how can anyone presume to know how best to respond? it's fucking ridiculous. i cannot believe they have call lines about this. how about people taking one moment to pause and respect the dead before we go spouting off about our political agendas?

OneLove

gue_barium wrote:

But it does show that VT knew how to react to a threat on campus. The escapee was found on the campus grounds in some bushes.

This is true. I would imagine there are alot of officials shaking their heads in disbelief tonite. Hindsight is 20/20 as they say. I am sure if they'd known, they would have done anything in their power to prevent this.

Right now I am just too sad to want to point fingers. There will be plenty of time for that.

gue_barium

OneLove wrote:

This is true. I would imagine there are alot of officials shaking their heads in disbelief tonite. Hindsight is 20/20 as they say. I am sure if they'd known, they would have done anything in their power to prevent this.

Right now I am just too sad to want to point fingers. There will be plenty of time for that.

I feel for you.. Of all the people in this tragedy... you posting here on this story brings it home more than anything else I can read.

somebodyelsessky2020

soulsinging wrote:

cos im opposed to ridiculous mass hysteria. nobody knows how many people were shooting, who they were, what they were doing, or anything else. yet we're already to spew our "expert joe american" opinion on what should be done. we dont even know what HAPPENED. how can anyone presume to know how best to respond? it's fucking ridiculous. i cannot believe they have call lines about this. how about people taking one moment to pause and respect the dead before we go spouting off about our political agendas?

all i said was i think a pa or some sort of alarm signal would be faster than emailing or texting the entire student population which was reported by a student live on the phone with cnn to take 2 hours after the fact. to notify them of something this important and you spouted off about the cost, the once every 1000 year theory and whatnot. a school is a school whether it be college or elementary it's another school shooting and they have been frequent. and my name's not joe but i am american. of course i'm saddened i respect the dead ..but they might not have been dead if we didn't pause all the time instead of acting.

somebodyelsessky2020

soulsinging wrote:

when was the last school shooting at virginia tech? when was the last one on a college campus in general? how many lives did the PA system they DID have at columbine save?

this goes to show you what we have learned from it.. not much obviously!

ProvidenceHunter

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

A life is a life. Simple concept. What part did you miss?

People value the lifes of people they feel an association with more than the live of some one they do not. It is also a simple concept.

Americans value the life of other Americans more than the lives of not Americans.

Can you honestly tell me you value every life equally?
If forced to chose between a relative or some random muslim in Iraq whose live would you save?

It is a simple concept.
What part did you miss?

chopitdown

somebodyelse'ssky wrote:

all i said was i think a pa or some sort of alarm signal would be faster than emailing or texting the entire student population which was reported by a student live on the phone with cnn to take 2 hours after the fact. to notify them of something this important and you spouted off about the cost, the once every 1000 year theory and whatnot. a school is a school whether it be college or elementary it's another school shooting and they have been frequent. and my name's not joe but i'm am american. of course i'm saddened i respect the dead ..but they might not have been dead if we didn't pause all the time instead of acting.

they did act down there...obviously, they didn't do enough, but in some cases you can't do enough...everyone has a better idea or says they would handle it differently, those are usually people who don't have to make the decisions that affects 25,000 + people. I'm sure what they thought at 715 after the first incident was the right call given the information; I'm sure they aren't playing poker with students lives.

somebodyelsessky2020

chopitdown wrote:

they did act down there...obviously, they didn't do enough, but in some cases you can't do enough...everyone has a better idea or says they would handle it differently, those are usually people who don't have to make the decisions that affects 25,000 + people. I'm sure what they thought at 715 after the first incident was the right call given the information; I'm sure they aren't playing poker with students lives.

yes i agree with you totally of course they did. it's SOULSINGING who is popping off contradicting everything and contributing nothing. like ohh it only happens once every 1000 years we don't need to change anything it'd be to costly. saying this is a college not the same as the previous school shootings. ohh how many did the pa save at columbine and so on and so on. well airplanes have seat belts and homeland security has the terror alert system now how many lives have airplane seat belts actually saved or the terror alert system. not a whole lot but we spent money on them and we have them . so every precaution we can think of should be taken into account and be added to help protect our schools.

sonicreducer

Carlos D wrote:

This is why you're sitting at a computer instead of out in the real world,becuase you're too simple to comprehend events like this.Do everyone a favour and get off off your lazy ass and go into the real world for a while and see how smart you are then.

thanks for enlightening me you fucking prick. wtf does any of that mean? maybe you should have read my other posts in this thread,...

soulsinging

somebodyelse'ssky wrote:

yes i agree with you totally of course they did. it's SOULSINGING who is popping off contradicting everything and contributing nothing. like ohh it only happens once every 1000 years we don't need to change anything it'd be to costly. saying this is a college not the same as the previous school shootings. ohh how many did the pa save at columbine and so on and so on. well airplanes have seat belts and homeland security has the terror alert system now how many lives have airplane seat belts actually saved or the terror alert system. not a whole lot but we spent money on them and we have them . so every precaution we can think of should be taken into account and be added to help protect our schools.

airplanes always had seatbelts and the terror warnings are a bullshit waste of time. this is alarmism at its finest. they still don't know who actually did the shooting, it's a bit premature to be saying what should have been done to prevent it when we don't even know what happened yet. that's like trying to build a bridge before bothering to study architecture. it's ridiculous.

cincybearcat

soulsinging wrote:

airplanes always had seatbelts and the terror warnings are a bullshit waste of time. this is alarmism at its finest. they still don't know who actually did the shooting, it's a bit premature to be saying what should have been done to prevent it when we don't even know what happened yet. that's like trying to build a bridge before bothering to study architecture. it's ridiculous.

You're right. You can't determine what should be done before you know what happened. And even then, people can be kept safe, but how far are you willing to go and how much $ are you willing to spend to protect everyone everywhere from the whim of a madman with a gun.

dkst0426

New details emerge

Authorities were investigating whether the gunman who killed 32 people on the Virginia Tech campus in the deadliest shooting rampage in U.S. history was a Chinese man who arrived in the United States last year on a student visa.

The 24-year-old man arrived in San Francisco on United Airlines on Aug. 7 on a visa issued in Shanghai, the source said. Investigators have not linked him to any terrorist groups, the source said.

Police believe three bomb threats on the campus last week may have been attempts by the man to test the campus’ security response, the source said.

The exits to the buildings where the shootings occurred were chained by the shooter, the source said.

Students complained that there were no public address announcements or other warnings on campus after the first burst of gunfire. They said the first word they received from the university was an e-mail more than two hours into the rampage — around the time the gunman struck again.

Virginia Tech President Charles Steger said authorities believed the shooting at the dorm was a domestic dispute and mistakenly thought the gunman had fled the campus.

‘‘We had no reason to suspect any other incident was going to occur,’’ he said.

Chinese. :( Not a good day for the mother race. Well, not a good day, period.

The Monday-morning quarterbacking will say that the school and the police force reacted wrongly. It's too easy to second-guess. If they had gone into complete lockdown and nothing happened, people would have criticized them for being too paranoid and overreacting.

Pretty disappointing reactions here so far. 33 people dead, and people on this board are arguing over viewpoints? C'mon.....