How many more students would've been in that building were it not for the campus-wide email, text messages, IMs, etc.? I've already heard at least 3 different accounts of students who were on their way to class hearing from friends who don't even go to school at VT. 30+ are dead, yes, but the technology we take so much for granted definitely played a part in helping save at least a few lives today.
they're saying now that the email didn't come out until 2 hours after the shooter shot people in another part of the campus. and then resumed shooting at the next spot.
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they're saying now that the email didn't come out until 2 hours after the shooter shot people in another part of the campus. and then resumed shooting at the next spot.
Be that as it may, it doesn't negate the other forms of communication that I touched on. I'm trying to find a silver lining in the middle of all this terrible news. Cut me some slack, eh?
Ok, I can understand the media's desire for answers, so they have information they can disseminate, but everyone's trying a bit too hard to come across as some Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter asking "tough questions." There's no way in heck that Chief Flinchum and VT President Steger have the answer they're looking for right now. I mean, for crying out loud, the university is still efforting to contact families and next of kin as they speak!
And they're only going to get ripped for sounding unconvincing by the talking heads.
Be that as it may, it doesn't negate the other forms of communication that I touched on. I'm trying to find a silver lining in the middle of all this terrible news. Cut me some slack, eh?
yeah i hear ya..no silver lining on this one anywhere i'm afraid. they had old technology that could have worked better like an alarm or perhaps the pa system would be alot quicker to alert the entire grounds with the flick of the switch. emails texts and all that taking two whole extra hours doesn't seem to fit the urgency of the situation. on the link one of the students said this:
Ben Hair (Virginia Tech) wrote: They could have prevented most of this…shooting at 730 in WAJ, classes don't start til 8, why couldn't they cancel classes for the day…SOMEONE WAS SHOT AND IT TURNS OUT THEY DIED…I THINK THATS GROUNDS TO CANCEL CLASS RATHER THAN SENDING OUT AN EMAIL THAT SAYS USE CAUTION AND REPORT ANYTHING TO POLICE. They could have save almost 20 lives and 20 injuries if they just decided to cancel class right away.
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maybe the first shooting in the morning was a diversion to get all police medical emergency and school staff's attention focused on that building and then the shooter moved on to his real targets that were in the building where the majority of dead were killed.
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maybe the first shooting in the morning was a diversion to get all police medical emergency and school staff's attention focused on that building and then the shooter moved on to his real targets that were in the building where the majority of dead were killed.
There's been some talk about the gunman going to look for his girlfriend in the first building.
this is tragic. 20 people in blacksburg, how many iraqis? how many in afghanistan?
I sometimes get the feeling 1000 Muslims = 1 American life for a lot of people...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
My heart is broken. I have so many fond memories of VA tech, most of my best friends went there. Many care free wonderful times happened there for me, during what was an innocent time in life.. college. Thankfully, everyone I know is OK, but for so many others that is not the case.
It is a beautiful campus filled with wonderful human beings. Seeing the pictures on the news today is surreal, and painful beyond words.
If this can happen at VA tech, it truely can happen anywhere. I know we all know that already...
yeah i hear ya..no silver lining on this one anywhere i'm afraid. they had old technology that could have worked better like an alarm or perhaps the pa system would be alot quicker to alert the entire grounds with the flick of the switch. emails texts and all that taking two whole extra hours doesn't seem to fit the urgency of the situation. on the link one of the students said this:
Ben Hair (Virginia Tech) wrote: They could have prevented most of this…shooting at 730 in WAJ, classes don't start til 8, why couldn't they cancel classes for the day…SOMEONE WAS SHOT AND IT TURNS OUT THEY DIED…I THINK THATS GROUNDS TO CANCEL CLASS RATHER THAN SENDING OUT AN EMAIL THAT SAYS USE CAUTION AND REPORT ANYTHING TO POLICE. They could have save almost 20 lives and 20 injuries if they just decided to cancel class right away.
oh come on. how do they do that? odds are the admin didnt even know what was going on for another 15 minutes at best. by the time they issues the warning that class was cancelled... how are the students going to find out?
it's way too early to start pointing fingers. and even then... "they shoulda had a PA" what fucking college has a PA system? that's fucking ridiculous. it'd be an enormous waste of time and money. make every country in the country install a pa so once every 1000 years they can use it to warn the entire campus about one nutcase who fucking lost it.
I sometimes get the feeling 1000 Muslims = 1 American life for a lot of people...
Being American, I am more concerned when an American kills 32 Americans on American soil, than I am when a Muslim in the Middle East kills 30 other Muslims. That's right! It isn't Americans killing all these Muslims and strapping bombs to themselves, it is Muslims. That's right Muslims. I blame Muslims and Islam. Americans don't kill in the name of Christ, but Muslims kill in the name of Allah. So forgive me if I am more concerned with what goes around in the USA than when Muslims kill Muslims in other countries.
Being American, I am more concerned when an American kills 32 Americans on American soil, than I am when a Muslim in the Middle East kills 30 other Muslims. That's right! It isn't Americans killing all these Muslims and strapping bombs to themselves, it is Muslims. That's right Muslims. I blame Muslims and Islam. Americans don't kill in the name of Christ, but Muslims kill in the name of Allah. So forgive me if I am more concerned with what goes around in the USA than when Muslims kill Muslims in other countries.
i care more about americans killing americans here too, but to say american christians don't kill in the name of jesus is patently false.
that said, this is fucked up. this isn't a terrorist, or a jihadist, or a revolutionary defendint native soil, or an american soldier. this is one guy that just snapped and started killing. it's fucked up. and terrifying how much damage one loose cannon with a handgun can do.
I sometimes get the feeling 1000 Muslims = 1 American life for a lot of people...
Thats just the way it is. Are you going to tell me that the life of one Muslim in Iraq is of the same importance to you as the life of you next door neighbor.
It is natural to care more about people you feel some association with, like your family then people from you town, then state, then nation.
If you feel different you are way more enlightened than most of us or you are lieing to yourself.
i care more about americans killing americans here too, but to say american christians don't kill in the name of jesus is patently false.
I gotta disagree. When a jihadist kills he believes he will go to heaven and get who knows whatever. The jihadist admits that he or she kills in the name of Allah. American soldiers are not quoting Bible verses when they are war. They do not declare that they are killing in the name of Jesus.
I would like an example of the US killing in the name of Jesus. The reasons for the Iraq war are either democracy, freedom, weapons of mass destruction, or oil and are in no way tied to Christianity.
oh come on. how do they do that? odds are the admin didnt even know what was going on for another 15 minutes at best. by the time they issues the warning that class was cancelled... how are the students going to find out?
it's way too early to start pointing fingers. and even then... "they shoulda had a PA" what fucking college has a PA system? that's fucking ridiculous. it'd be an enormous waste of time and money. make every country in the country install a pa so once every 1000 years they can use it to warn the entire campus about one nutcase who fucking lost it.
yeah it's been 1000 years since the last school shooting you're right. and why waste any money trying to save a kids life..they could just as easily be shot walking down the street on any day of the week.
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Being American, I am more concerned when an American kills 32 Americans on American soil, than I am when a Muslim in the Middle East kills 30 other Muslims. That's right! It isn't Americans killing all these Muslims and strapping bombs to themselves, it is Muslims. That's right Muslims. I blame Muslims and Islam. Americans don't kill in the name of Christ, but Muslims kill in the name of Allah. So forgive me if I am more concerned with what goes around in the USA than when Muslims kill Muslims in other countries.
Why did the guy kill? who knows... Religious nut? I imagine he was a lunatic of some sort that's for sure. I'm not sure how it's possible for your mind to not calculate American's killing and bombing Muslims instead of only Muslim's killing each other...
Not to mention I think were at the same number of troops dead (30 something) for this month already.
Complacency... dual standard
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Thats just the way it is. Are you going to tell me that the life of one Muslim in Iraq is of the same importance to you as the life of you next door neighbor.
It is natural to care more about people you feel some association with, like your family then people from you town, then state, then nation.
If you feel different you are way more enlightened than most of us or you are lieing to yourself.
A life is a life. Simple concept. What part did you miss?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
this is tragic. 20 people in blacksburg, how many iraqis? how many in afghanistan?
This is why you're sitting at a computer instead of out in the real world,becuase you're too simple to comprehend events like this.Do everyone a favour and get off off your lazy ass and go into the real world for a while and see how smart you are then.
It may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you're gonna have to serve somebody.
This is why you're sitting at a computer instead of out in the real world,becuase you're too simple to comprehend events like this.Do everyone a favour and get off off your lazy ass and go into the real world for a while and see how smart you are then.
yeah that's it....lol
go play Nintendo with a bag of chips or something
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I thought the fact that after the President offered condolences and his shock and horror, etc....that he felt it necessarry to add that he supports people's rights to bear arms was disgusting. What a fucking idiot. That was totally dispicable and inapropriate. Whoever wrote that speech or was pulling his puppet strings should be ashamed of themselves. It made me want to puke.
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yeah it's been 1000 years since the last school shooting you're right. and why waste any money trying to save a kids life..they could just as easily be shot walking down the street on any day of the week.
I think VT did what it could in as timely manner as possible. I just read that on the first day of school on that same campus this school year, a dangerous gunman was tracked down to the grounds there, and class was suspended and everything locked down for the day. Obviously this shooter today had an agenda to follow and was familiar with where he was.
What's going to happen now, probably, is that college campuses across the country are going to tighten their security protocals. It'll be more Big Brother than ever, and I really feel for students entering college at this point and time in the country living under that sort of scrutinity.
I gotta disagree. When a jihadist kills he believes he will go to heaven and get who knows whatever. The jihadist admits that he or she kills in the name of Allah. American soldiers are not quoting Bible verses when they are war. They do not declare that they are killing in the name of Jesus.
I would like an example of the US killing in the name of Jesus. The reasons for the Iraq war are either democracy, freedom, weapons of mass destruction, or oil and are in no way tied to Christianity.
dyou know this? becos from what i've heard, plenty of our soldiers are big on the bible. but i was also thinking of mcveigh and nichols.. those upstanding lads who though it was their mission to kill all the niggers and jew and christians. then there are the abortion clinic shooters/bombers. it happens dude.
I think VT did what it could in as timely manner as possible. I just read that on the first day of school on that same campus this school year, a dangerous gunman was tracked down to the grounds there, and class was suspended and everything locked down for the day. Obviously this shooter today had an agenda to follow and was familiar with where he was.
What's going to happen now, probably, is that college campuses across the country are going to tighten their security protocals. It'll be more Big Brother than ever, and I really feel for students entering college at this point and time in the country living under that sort of scrutinity.
The gunman that caused the lockdown earlier this year escaped from a hospital nearby where he was under police custody. I do NOT belive that he had any connection to the campus whatsoever. The campus was locked down due to geographic location alone, not due to any implied threat to the campus. I just want to be clear that this was not a similar event in that way.
yeah it's been 1000 years since the last school shooting you're right. and why waste any money trying to save a kids life..they could just as easily be shot walking down the street on any day of the week.
when was the last school shooting at virginia tech? when was the last one on a college campus in general? how many lives did the PA system they DID have at columbine save?
The gunman that caused the lockdown earlier this year escaped from a hospital nearby where he was under police custody. I do NOT belive that he had any connection to the campus whatsoever. The campus was locked down due to geographic location alone, not due to any implied threat to the campus. I just want to be clear that this was not a similar event in that way.
But it does show that VT knew how to react to a threat on campus. The escapee was found on the campus grounds in some bushes.
when was the last school shooting at virginia tech? when was the last one on a college campus in general? how many lives did the PA system they DID have at columbine save?
well since you know so much the networks are taking calls right now maybe your ideas can help save lives. instead of contradicting everything someone else says put that knowledge of yours to better use.i haven't heard anything useful come from you only negativity to others comments.
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dyou know this? becos from what i've heard, plenty of our soldiers are big on the bible. but i was also thinking of mcveigh and nichols.. those upstanding lads who though it was their mission to kill all the niggers and jew and christians. then there are the abortion clinic shooters/bombers. it happens dude.
i wish i didn't have to but I agree. People pervert religion / beliefs all the time to suit personal agendas and unfortunately some of those agendas include murder.
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well since you know so much the networks are taking calls right now maybe your ideas can help save lives. instead of contradicting everything someone else says put that knowledge of yours to better use.i haven't heard anything useful come from you only negativity to others comments.
cos im opposed to ridiculous mass hysteria. nobody knows how many people were shooting, who they were, what they were doing, or anything else. yet we're already to spew our "expert joe american" opinion on what should be done. we dont even know what HAPPENED. how can anyone presume to know how best to respond? it's fucking ridiculous. i cannot believe they have call lines about this. how about people taking one moment to pause and respect the dead before we go spouting off about our political agendas?
But it does show that VT knew how to react to a threat on campus. The escapee was found on the campus grounds in some bushes.
This is true. I would imagine there are alot of officials shaking their heads in disbelief tonite. Hindsight is 20/20 as they say. I am sure if they'd known, they would have done anything in their power to prevent this.
Right now I am just too sad to want to point fingers. There will be plenty of time for that.
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Be that as it may, it doesn't negate the other forms of communication that I touched on. I'm trying to find a silver lining in the middle of all this terrible news. Cut me some slack, eh?
Relating to that, check this out:
If You're Ok, Please Update Your Profile: Students and Families Go Online to Sites Like Facebook.com to Check on Loved Ones, Some Have Called ABC News Now With Eyewitness Accounts
33 dead, including the gunman.
And they're only going to get ripped for sounding unconvincing by the talking heads.
Ben Hair (Virginia Tech) wrote: They could have prevented most of this…shooting at 730 in WAJ, classes don't start til 8, why couldn't they cancel classes for the day…SOMEONE WAS SHOT AND IT TURNS OUT THEY DIED…I THINK THATS GROUNDS TO CANCEL CLASS RATHER THAN SENDING OUT AN EMAIL THAT SAYS USE CAUTION AND REPORT ANYTHING TO POLICE. They could have save almost 20 lives and 20 injuries if they just decided to cancel class right away.
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There's been some talk about the gunman going to look for his girlfriend in the first building.
I sometimes get the feeling 1000 Muslims = 1 American life for a lot of people...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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It is a beautiful campus filled with wonderful human beings. Seeing the pictures on the news today is surreal, and painful beyond words.
If this can happen at VA tech, it truely can happen anywhere. I know we all know that already...
oh come on. how do they do that? odds are the admin didnt even know what was going on for another 15 minutes at best. by the time they issues the warning that class was cancelled... how are the students going to find out?
it's way too early to start pointing fingers. and even then... "they shoulda had a PA" what fucking college has a PA system? that's fucking ridiculous. it'd be an enormous waste of time and money. make every country in the country install a pa so once every 1000 years they can use it to warn the entire campus about one nutcase who fucking lost it.
Being American, I am more concerned when an American kills 32 Americans on American soil, than I am when a Muslim in the Middle East kills 30 other Muslims. That's right! It isn't Americans killing all these Muslims and strapping bombs to themselves, it is Muslims. That's right Muslims. I blame Muslims and Islam. Americans don't kill in the name of Christ, but Muslims kill in the name of Allah. So forgive me if I am more concerned with what goes around in the USA than when Muslims kill Muslims in other countries.
i care more about americans killing americans here too, but to say american christians don't kill in the name of jesus is patently false.
that said, this is fucked up. this isn't a terrorist, or a jihadist, or a revolutionary defendint native soil, or an american soldier. this is one guy that just snapped and started killing. it's fucked up. and terrifying how much damage one loose cannon with a handgun can do.
Thats just the way it is. Are you going to tell me that the life of one Muslim in Iraq is of the same importance to you as the life of you next door neighbor.
It is natural to care more about people you feel some association with, like your family then people from you town, then state, then nation.
If you feel different you are way more enlightened than most of us or you are lieing to yourself.
I gotta disagree. When a jihadist kills he believes he will go to heaven and get who knows whatever. The jihadist admits that he or she kills in the name of Allah. American soldiers are not quoting Bible verses when they are war. They do not declare that they are killing in the name of Jesus.
I would like an example of the US killing in the name of Jesus. The reasons for the Iraq war are either democracy, freedom, weapons of mass destruction, or oil and are in no way tied to Christianity.
Can you see me now
I am myself
Like you somehow
I'll ride the wave
Where it takes me
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Why did the guy kill? who knows... Religious nut? I imagine he was a lunatic of some sort that's for sure. I'm not sure how it's possible for your mind to not calculate American's killing and bombing Muslims instead of only Muslim's killing each other...
Not to mention I think were at the same number of troops dead (30 something) for this month already.
Complacency... dual standard
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
A life is a life. Simple concept. What part did you miss?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
This is why you're sitting at a computer instead of out in the real world,becuase you're too simple to comprehend events like this.Do everyone a favour and get off off your lazy ass and go into the real world for a while and see how smart you are then.
But you're gonna have to serve somebody.
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yeah that's it....lol
go play Nintendo with a bag of chips or something
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
the other foot in the gutter
sweet smell that they adore
I think I'd rather smother
-The Replacements-
I think VT did what it could in as timely manner as possible. I just read that on the first day of school on that same campus this school year, a dangerous gunman was tracked down to the grounds there, and class was suspended and everything locked down for the day. Obviously this shooter today had an agenda to follow and was familiar with where he was.
What's going to happen now, probably, is that college campuses across the country are going to tighten their security protocals. It'll be more Big Brother than ever, and I really feel for students entering college at this point and time in the country living under that sort of scrutinity.
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dyou know this? becos from what i've heard, plenty of our soldiers are big on the bible. but i was also thinking of mcveigh and nichols.. those upstanding lads who though it was their mission to kill all the niggers and jew and christians. then there are the abortion clinic shooters/bombers. it happens dude.
The gunman that caused the lockdown earlier this year escaped from a hospital nearby where he was under police custody. I do NOT belive that he had any connection to the campus whatsoever. The campus was locked down due to geographic location alone, not due to any implied threat to the campus. I just want to be clear that this was not a similar event in that way.
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when was the last school shooting at virginia tech? when was the last one on a college campus in general? how many lives did the PA system they DID have at columbine save?
But it does show that VT knew how to react to a threat on campus. The escapee was found on the campus grounds in some bushes.
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i wish i didn't have to but I agree. People pervert religion / beliefs all the time to suit personal agendas and unfortunately some of those agendas include murder.
cos im opposed to ridiculous mass hysteria. nobody knows how many people were shooting, who they were, what they were doing, or anything else. yet we're already to spew our "expert joe american" opinion on what should be done. we dont even know what HAPPENED. how can anyone presume to know how best to respond? it's fucking ridiculous. i cannot believe they have call lines about this. how about people taking one moment to pause and respect the dead before we go spouting off about our political agendas?
This is true. I would imagine there are alot of officials shaking their heads in disbelief tonite. Hindsight is 20/20 as they say. I am sure if they'd known, they would have done anything in their power to prevent this.
Right now I am just too sad to want to point fingers. There will be plenty of time for that.