Morbidly Obese Mutants

gue_barium wrote:

I'm having sex with a rather ...um, she's taller, and heavier than i am. and she's a good lay. i don't know if this helps anyone. maybe it does.

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Ahnimus wrote:

There were morbidly obese people 5,000 years ago before we had big macs.

It's a biological problem with their metabolism.

Also has anyone here tried to lift their 700 lbs body off the couch to do a marathon? I didn't think so.

Uh,... yeah. "Gee, I don't know what happened. I went to sleep last night a svelte 150 with a swimmer's physique, and woke up this morning 700 lbs! Now I can't get up!"

Killin me, Smalls.

Ahnimus wrote:

I adequately detect sarcasm, but what's your point?

You asked if anyone has ever tried to "get their 700 lb body up off the couch and excercise" or something like that. Point is a 700 lb individual should have taken interventions a loooong time ago. It takes a little time to reach 700. Doesn't happen overnight.

cornnifer wrote:

You asked if anyone has ever tried to "get their 700 lb body up off the couch and excercise" or something like that. Point is a 700 lb individual should have taken interventions a loooong time ago. It takes a little time to reach 700. Doesn't happen overnight.

Someone who gets up to 700 does in fact have genetic issues. Weight, and more importantly your metabolism, is linked to genetics. There are extremes. You are right that that 700 lb. person should have taken measures earlier, but even with measures that person, most likely, could never weigh less than 250--and what is worse, rarely do these people make that attempt. Unfortunately, the real problem is that this gene is being passed on at an alarming rate due to medicines that essentially allow these people to continue as they are and not pay the natural price for these behaviors. Further, heavy individuals usually partner with heavy people, basically because neither holds weight against the other. Guess the genetic make up of the children. Let's just say they won't be svelt.

cornnifer wrote:

Huge difference between 250 and 700.

True, but the point is, that individual is not a 'healthy' person. They will be predisposed to heart disease, diabetes, and a myriad of other health problems. Which opens the door to the impact on health care, your taxes, and the general state of health of the nation. I say 'the nation' because the US truly has the market cornered on obesity.

angelica wrote:

It looks like the dynamics involved in eating disorders are not acknowledged much less understood by many. If anyone out there is a workaholic, has substance abuse issues (with drink/smoke/other), including sugar or caffeine addictions, is a rageaholic, shopaholic, and so on (detailing all manner of "acceptable" disorders in our society) I'd be wary of casting stones.

It also looks like the environmental contributing factors to eating disorders are also not being taken into consideration a whole lot in the main of things.

This doesn't surprise me.

What nauseates me is the "justified" social bias and ignorant judgments that are accepted in this day and age against those with eating disorders.

You know, in this day and age everything is a psychological or physiological disorder.

Bad and detrimental behavior which effects the well-being of oneself or the psychological or physiological well-being of others; can always be attributed to some kind of terrible disorder.

Compulsions are attributed to psychological or physiological disorders or conditions.

It's not difficult to understand that just about anything and everything can be a compulsion or addiction.

Alcohol is addictive and can certainly be considered a compulsion. People develope compulsions for the internet, for food, for drugs, for shopping, for sex, for cleaning, for driving, for sports, for gambling, for exercise, for Television, for video games, for talking, for working too hard and too long of hours..........I could go on and on.

Seems to me human beings can get addicted to and develope compulsions to anything and everything.

Obviously complusions and addictions are a predisposition or an element of what we are as human beings. It's in our genetics, it's a part of what makes us human beings.

Seems logical that self-control and discipline are the keys that keep most of us in balance.

Don't think I don't sympathize or empathize with people who have obesity problems and disorders. I do. But not to the point where I let them off the hook for their own reckless and self-hurting behavior. I believe it is important to study and analyze the psychological disorders and what contributes to people's disorders. It is important work.

Yes, in this day and age everything is a psychological or physiological disorder. But accountability, responsibility, self-control and self-descipline seem to be antiquated notions.

When are individuals to be accountable and responsible for their own mess, their own problems?

Too often we make things much more complicated than they need to be. All the psychological insight in the world doesn't help someone, who refuses to help themselves. Ultimately, individuals only fight and overcome their disorders, compulsions and problems........when they, themselves, are finally good and ready to stop the behavior, completely.

Which brings us back to self-control and self-discipline.

Which brings us back to responsibility and accountability.

Ed hates fat people too

NMyTree wrote:

I have two close friends, whom I love and care for, who are both obese.

One is a male who is 6' 1" and weighs 430+ lbs and the other is a female who stands 5' 7" and weighs 340+ lbs.

So as a longtime close friend, I am concerned for their health.

And at the risk of putting words into your mouth...I am going to put words into your mouth.

My suspician is that while you care about these people very much, you are aware that their condition is primarilly based on their lifestyles...

I pretty much agree with Cornifer. Sure, there are some people that have conditions that pretty much relegate them to obesity. But most people that are obese are so because of their poor diet and/or complete lack of physical activity. Yes, some people have faster metabolisms than others, but we all have choices to make. We need to eat, but we don't need taht donut an hour after breakfast from the box our co-worker brought in. We don't need that can of soda or that late night snack. And everyone, regardless of hwo much they weigh, needs exercise.

It is not OK to be obese (save for the few legitimate conditions). I don't even think people should be comfortable with themselves that way. Should they love themselves even if they are obese? Absolutely--they should love themselves enough to get healthy.

farfromglorified wrote:

I keep seeing these kinds of statements in these obesity threads and they fascinate me. Why do you say it's "not OK" to be obese? Why all these "shoulds"???

For the same reason you should not smoke.
(not in a "big brother" way, but a personal health way)