Why did the whiteness thread get shut?

I think people just dont want to face facts. Conservatives, everytime race is brought up, its like some uncle has come to stay, and he is a messy uncle, one who makes messes in your house and doesnt clean up, and always asks for 300 more bucks.

Race is like wealth. its not discussed in our society. Even though we pretend to be civilized and fair and the greatest country in the world, one where everyone reguardless of skin, race, age, gender, sexual identity, can get a job and can make it here in the u.s. Its all a lie. Its false.

Race is underdiscussed in society, which makes it interesting people here are so resistent to the idea that whiteness has any bearing on how I or others are treated.

I am sure you would get almost universal agreement especially on this board that people of color have it rough. They are judged on the color of their skin, and in a negative way. I think almost everyone on here agrees that racism still exists and that their are still obstacles for people of color to jump through and face, that stand in the way of them "making it" here.

What I dont get is why people here are so resistant to the idea that whiteness plays a factor as well. That if your a black male, living in portland, the whitest city in the u.s. and are wanting to attend Portland State or whatever, its harder for you to get into college, because you arent white and such. Or move that same black male to Missouri or Arkansas or Mississippi and that only intesifies. A white male no matter WHAT INCOME bracket would have a easier time getting into college than a black male NO MATTER WHAT income bracket. Thats the facts m'am.

Colleges, pick your state, arent usually a breeding ground for multiculturalism and such. Colleges are mostly filled with upper middle to upper class kids. I went to college, and my parents paid for my college, I know, I say the tuition bills. College is EXPENSIVE. And its also VERY VERY white. I live in Eugene, the land of the hippies. We have our own Oregon Country Fair each july where for 3 days hippies run wild in the country land in Eugene, and hang out and such. This is hippie central. Yet the college, a respected college here is notoriously white.

Whiteness is the elephant in the room and its troubling we on this board cant have a discussion about it.

Whiteness is never or hardly ever used as something bad. Its not bad to be white when applying for a job. its not bad to be white when in a shopping mall. Its not bad to be white if you just got arrested for drugs, seeing as our jails are filled with people of color (65 percent of those in jail, are minorities). Its not bad to be white when applying for a loan, because if your black, you may be automatically assumed to be in debt when I fact most of our population is in debt, its not just one race. Whiteness except in rare occasions, is a positive and is helpful. I would bet in all honestly, most white drivers on this board havent been victims of being racially profiled. Sure their are exceptions, but lets be honest, the LA police department aint going to beverly hills to arrest people who cheated on their taxes, they are going to primarily black and latino neighborhoods, primarily poor neighborhoods.

Blackness, by definition is bad. Black is the color of death, or darkness or oblivion of something scary. Whiteness is pure, untainted, innocent. Blackness can be a good or bad thing, but many times it is a bad thing and a negative in the eyes of people in power. When applying for a job, when getting a loan, when driving my car, when arrested for drugs, I would much rather be a white person than a black, because statistically, your chances are better of not being as harshly punished.

Its gross our society not only refuses to discuss race, but also dismisses those who speak about it and those who try to level the playing field.

Our society has a long way to go to be the promised land that MLK spoke of.

Cheguevara6 wrote:

Our society has a long way to go to be the promised land that MLK spoke of.

And labelling all white people as "the devil" isn't going to bring us any closer, guy.

From the original "50 thingies" thread...

Cheguevara6 wrote:

And you didnt do the same to me.



but being called a racist, when clearly I feel that whites are indeed the devil .



I dont know too many racists with Malcolm X posters on their walls

Good enough for you?

i guess i was wrong. Sorry. You were right.

lucylespian wrote:

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAh, yes !!!!! LOL!!!!

hehe! Thought so luce!!

It just caught me off guard, yet again, that Australianisms are still not widely known by Australians or the rest of the world.

Our unique language is slowly being eroded from our culture.

So important to maintain our cultural identity.

And "as toey as a roman sandal" seems to fit the bill here very well.

Jeanie wrote:

hehe! Thought so luce!!

It just caught me off guard, yet again, that Australianisms are still not widely known by Australians or the rest of the world.

Our unique language is slowly being eroded from our culture.

So important to maintain our cultural identity.

And "as toey as a roman sandal" seems to fit the bill here very well.

Yeah, which is exactly why I used it. I use Americanisms a lot to fit in here, but felt like asserting my "Ozness" there !!

I figured it was a chance for the kiddies to learn something.

Cheguevara6 wrote:

As for what I believe I did say about whites and the devil was that Malcolm X said whites were the devil or blue eyed devils. I thought that was different and by extention NOT racism when compared with a white man saying to a black man "you n word". Its different. History is whats different. Blacks didnt own whites in history. Whites did.

history doesn't lessen the fact that malcolm X, before his trip to mecca, was racist. History doesn't excuse anything...it was in the past. We live in the present. If someone of color thinks less of me b/c I am white and for that reason alone, it is racist, just as if i think less of someone with darker skin is inferior only b/c of their skin. We need to look at the mistakes our ancestors made and not repeat them. If we allow some of those stereotypes to persist in our day, it is our fault...but it's no ones fault today for what happend 100+ years ago.

Blacks also owned black slaves in americas history, which is something that is not commonly talked about. And many africans sold their countrymen into slavery so slavery is really a dark stain on everyones past.

NMyTree wrote:

It's plain and simple.

Discrimination and racism infest all walk of life regardless skin color, ethnicity or religion.

1) You're against racism and discrimination by anyone or any group of people.

2) Or you're justifying, excusing and supporting racism and discrimination by one specific group; based on some perceived "entitlement complex".

There really isn't anything else to this absurd debate.

And if any of you still don't comprehend the mechanism of racist/discriminatory double-standards and how the vicious cycle is only fed, nurtured, and encouraged by it; than do some extensive research on the history of our species and the effects, cycles and historical results yielded by such double-standards.

There's a monumental difference and distinction between favoring, and equality. Between equal access and favorable access. Between equal opportunties and selective access to opportunities.

There's also a monumental difference and distinction between speaking of a group of people in generalities and speaking of people based on individual situations, dispositions and behavior.

To apply these grossly antiquated scenarios to our current (2007) situation, is to show a complete lack of awareness and knowledge of what has been occuring in this country. It is also a great insult to thousands upon thousands upon thousands of black people who have and continue to work their butts off to get a good education, run a successful business, achieve their goals, build a family and life- through their own determination and hard work, with out blaming whitey for all the problems and obstacles in life, that each individual (no matter what color ) face everyday.

Humans are interesting mammalas.

You guys get to do whole theses on how much white people suck?
Damn, I went to the wrong school.