zeitgeist is the pumpkins 3rd grand masterpiece

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  • DaytimeDilemma
    DaytimeDilemma Posts: 2,008
    jsaso wrote:
    well if you make a record that is as good as zeitgeist le me know...
    ...musician :) ... i bet you could do the united states drumm bit in a flash...



    Well I play guitar and US on guitar ain't that tough. But I hate stupid comments like "you can't say something bad about blah unless you do it yourself." Fuck that. It's my right as a consumer/american to voice my opinion and I am doing so. Fuck Zeitgeist.
  • DaytimeDilemma
    DaytimeDilemma Posts: 2,008
    metsfan531941 wrote:
    thats so funny and couldnt be further from the truth, ed has always been a dicator of some sorts.



    But not to the point where he goes back and retracks everyone's instrumental parts minus the drums. The other members have some of say in the creation of the songs.
  • jsaso
    jsaso Posts: 179
    DaytimeDilemma wrote:
    But not to the point where he goes back and retracks everyone's instrumental parts minus the drums. The other members have some of say in the creation of the songs.

    this thread is even worse then the 7 season of beverly hills 90210...
    closed the thread or at least lock it
  • Klumpie
    Klumpie Posts: 2,649
    Zeitgeist isn't a masterpiece, but it doesn't suck either. Zeitgeist is good enough to beat albums like Adore and Machina. The first 3 songs are hard rocking and good songs. The 4th That's the Way is boring. Tarantula is ok again. Starz is one of the best songs on it, United States is the best song on Zeitgeist.

    And then the trouble starts, Neverlost is fucking boring, Bright The Light is also a little bit boring and (Come On) Let's Go...I don't even know why this is on the album. For God And Country is a good song and the last song is a song like only the Pumpkins could end an album, but not really great.

    From the extra tracks only Stellar is good. I even don't know why this song didn't made the album. With Stellar on the place of Neverlost and Gossamer on the place of (Come On) Let's go, this album would be far better. Zeitgeist is an ok. till good album, but masterpiece? no way!!! 3,5/5
  • PaulJam
    PaulJam Posts: 163
    culot4 wrote:
    Just as I was starting to get back into the Pumpkins for the first time in a decade, Billy goes and pulls that shit on Live Earth plugging the album like some kind of desperate asshole. I still like Zeitgeist though, just not him.

    I couldnt believe he said that. I knew he was bad, but not THAT bad. He acts like a hip hop artist or some sh*t. Does he have NO f*cking morals?
  • off_the_record
    off_the_record Posts: 843
    who cares, the album sucks
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  • GivenToFlyFreak
    GivenToFlyFreak Posts: 86
    A ton of artists plugged their albums, Alicia Keyes, Kelly Clarkson, Bon Jovi mentioned their new record... who cares, it's their job and they were donating their time for the cause.

    As for the Pumpkins set, they were the only ones who weren't out there all jolly, they are rock stars and rock stars are supposed to be edgey, controversial so when they opened with United States and changed a lyric in Bullet I thought it was great... of course the network TV cut United States from the broadcast.

    As for the album itself, I can see why some people don't like it (I do however), you gotta remember the Pumpkins have always cited 70's rock as their influence and every record except Adore has been produced to know end, so it's not much a surprise to me that Zeitgeist ends up this way!
  • Matty Boy
    Matty Boy Posts: 421
    I'm glad that Billy plugged his album. That's why these musicains play these benefit gigs, to promote themselves!!! At least Billy had the balls to be honest and not pretend he was there to really save the Earth. Why did you guys watch yesterday? I watched to see a few bands I like play, not because I was interested in learning about recycling.
  • pjoasisrule
    pjoasisrule Posts: 3,412
    Matty Boy wrote:
    I'm glad that Billy plugged his album. That's why these musicains play these benefit gigs, to promote themselves!!! At least Billy had the balls to be honest and not pretend he was there to really save the Earth. Why did you guys watch yesterday? I watched to see a few bands I like play, not because I was interested in learning about recycling.

    Good point, its not like the few people that change their minds because of rockstar influence will save the planet anyways
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  • LostDog1079
    LostDog1079 Posts: 54
    Klumpie wrote:
    Zeitgeist isn't a masterpiece, but it doesn't suck either. Zeitgeist is good enough to beat albums like Adore and Machina.

    Agreed. It's #3 on my list (#4 if you count the Aeroplane box set).
    If you're headed to the grave,
    you don't blame the hearse.

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  • culot4
    culot4 Posts: 775
    Okay fine. Smashing Pumpkinds weren't the only ones plugging their albums. It still doesn't make it right. I would expect that kind of thing from an R&B artist like Alicia Keyes or a hack like Kelly Clarkson who had to cancel her tour because nobody bought any tickets. Bon Jovi....well they're Bon Jovi. Is Billy really all that hard up for a commercial success. If people liked his set they could have found out for themselves where to get the music instead of the singer selling his shit on an inappropriate platform.
    Once in a while you can get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.
  • rhcpjam1029
    rhcpjam1029 Posts: 1,982
    DaytimeDilemma wrote:
    Zeitgeist is a horrible album. It just isn't good. The production, lyrics, music all suck. Billy is trying too hard. I agress with everyting said in this allmusic.com review: http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:jcfoxzu5ldde

    I'm so happy that Pearl Jam is a real band and they all contribute to songs, and Eddie isn't a dictator like Corgan.


    Zeitgeist just falls flat and lacks the real feel of a Pumpkins album. If you call it a masterpiece, there is something wrong with you and you probably also listen to Hinder and Blue October. I'm a huge Pumpkins fans and really wanted to like the album but I don't. I already ordered the iTunes version, but if I hadn't I wouldn't have bought it after the leak.



    Also in terms of best of 07...Zeitgeist doesn't have ANYTHING on QOTSA's Era Vulgaris...the BEST rock album of 07 by FAR.

    Queens of the Stone Age...more like Queens of the Boner Age. Huh huh, boner. Huh huh.
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    Butthead: It means that his friends are like turds and that they like suck.
    Beavis: Heh heh. Oh yeah. Yeah! Get those spoons out of my face before I shove them up your butt!
    Butthead: Huh huh.
  • D.C.
    D.C. Posts: 20
    right up there with the best cds of 07..i listen to it constantly

    united states, tarantula, and doomsday clock are solid
  • whyteout7791
    whyteout7791 Posts: 26
    he said please explain to me how it was a joke... i guess he didnt hear when billy corgan laughed immediately after saying "i know you all will go out tuesday and buy the new album" and then said "just kiddin".

    nd i dont care wat critics say, im gonna buy zeitgeist because i like the pumpkins and i will decide for myself it is as good as mellon collie or siamese dream
  • culot4
    culot4 Posts: 775
    whyteout7791 wrote:
    he said please explain to me how it was a joke... i guess he didnt hear when billy corgan laughed immediately after saying "i know you all will go out tuesday and buy the new album" and then said "just kiddin".

    nd i dont care wat critics say, im gonna buy zeitgeist because i like the pumpkins and i will decide for myself it is as good as mellon collie or siamese dream

    Why don't you just quote me directly instead of this all 'he' stuff. If I walk up to my boss and call him a fucking douchebag but say just kidding, I still called him a fucking douchebag.
    Once in a while you can get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.
  • jsaso
    jsaso Posts: 179
    culot4 wrote:
    Why don't you just quote me directly instead of this all 'he' stuff. If I walk up to my boss and call him a fucking douchebag but say just kidding, I still called him a fucking douchebag.

    IP BAN, delete thread
  • Gary Carter
    Gary Carter Posts: 14,077
    jsaso wrote:
    IP BAN, delete thread
    your kidding right, what are we in the 3rd grade, grow up
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    Sammi: Wanna just break up?

  • jsaso
    jsaso Posts: 179
    metsfan531941 wrote:
    your kidding right, what are we in the 3rd grade, grow up

    no...but...this is getting absurd...the man said..."we have a new album called zeitgeist comming out in tuesday, i know you are all gonna buy it, and not illegaly downloaded from the net, like you did all our other albums...just kidding..."

    wau...lets make a big deal cause of that?
    that guy is on this board is showing needless dissrespect...i would like
    to see him be a highlight of live earth...
    call me when you do that...
  • Gary Carter
    Gary Carter Posts: 14,077
    jsaso wrote:
    no...but...this is getting absurd...the man said..."we have a new album called zeitgeist comming out in tuesday, i know you are all gonna buy it, and not illegaly downloaded from the net, like you did all our other albums...just kidding..."

    wau...lets make a big deal cause of that?
    that guy is on this board is showing needless dissrespect...i would like
    to see him be a highlight of live earth...
    call me when you do that...
    dude relax, its called a message board of course people are gonna disrespect each other. what are you 14 or something.
    Ron: I just don't feel like going out tonight
    Sammi: Wanna just break up?

  • jsaso
    jsaso Posts: 179
    metsfan531941 wrote:
    dude relax, its called a message board of course people are gonna disrespect each other. what are you 14 or something.

    no i am 80 years old. why do you care? well if you would read the
    rules of this board you would find out that disrespect means a ban...

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