Chris Cornell Is Overrated

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  • for me, Soundgarden (Cornell in particular) lacks consistancy. I love a few songs. but there are some songs that, while I won't say they "suck," I just have no interest in every listening to them. I think that even the most casual Robert Plant listener can listen to an album of his (Zeppelin or solo) and even if they completely hate a song, they'll find that the next two or three are to their liking. for me, a casual Soundgarden listener, such is not the case with them. and I love Pearl Jam, Nirvana, and Alice in Chains. I own every possible thing ever put out by Nirvana or PJ and I have all of Alice's studio albums. so it's not like I don't "get" this kind of music. I'm just not into them.


    Kyle Petty, Son of Richard is a fine Cornell moment though.
    See I happen to think that SG was more consistant than any band of the era. Including Pearl Jam. There are barely any weaker moments (if any at all) on all three of their best albums (badmotorfinger, superunknown, down on the upside). That's 6 years and 3 albums of absolutely solid material. Even Pearl Jam didn't pull that off. But it's all subjective anyway.
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  • it's all subjective anyway.

    yeah, it's about time I give this thread a rest
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  • yeah, it's about time I give this thread a rest
    agreed.



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  • robert plant is a far superior singer than cornell.

    I like Zeppelin as much as the next guy, but SERIOUSLY what songs are you talking about, cause I've never heard Plant even approach the perfection that is Say hello 2 heaven.
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    I like Zeppelin as much as the next guy, but SERIOUSLY what songs are you talking about, cause I've never heard Plant even approach the perfection that is Say hello 2 heaven.

    Perfection? It's a good/great song, with really good vocals, but lets not get carried away please.

    Edit: I think it's people saying things like this that results in Chris Cornell being called overrated.
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    Chris Cornell is overrated.


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    Saturnal wrote:
    I'm not a big fan of Cornell, but he is certainly of the same caliber as those frontmen. He's a great songwriter, and his voice is very unique and strong.

    If anyone is overrated in that group, it's Robert Plant, not Chris Cornell.

    I'm the biggest Who fan I know, but I don't think that Daltrey is that great of a singer-- I mean he's good, just not spectacular, definately not on the level of Cornell, Vedder, or Robert Plant. I just don't think Rog is that versatile outside of the anthemic Tommy/Who's Next/ Quad rock 'n roll style. His poor interpretations of more subtle songs took away from The Who By Numbers basically ruined Face Dances. Just listen to "How Can You Do It Alone." Horrible.

    I think he's gotten much much much better at this in the last 25 years (just listen to Mike Post Theme, or Tea and Theater), too bad his voice is shot.

    Take my opinions with a grain of salt though. I think I'm the only persona alive who thinks CC's singing is overrated in SG and sorely underrated in Audioslave.
  • yosi wrote:
    Perfection? It's a good/great song, with really good vocals, but lets not get carried away please.

    Edit: I think it's people saying things like this that results in Chris Cornell being called overrated.

    Come on give the guy a break, it is most certainly one of his most impressive songs, musically, vocally and lyrically. I don't think it's over the top to refer to a well written song as 'perfect'.
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    Come on give the guy a break, it is most certainly one of his most impressive songs, musically, vocally and lyrically. I don't think it's over the top to refer to a well written song as 'perfect'.

    This was exactly my point. I said its a great song. But calling it "perfect" is overrating it.
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  • yosi wrote:
    This was exactly my point. I said its a great song. But calling it "perfect" is overrating it.

    Why? I really don't get that at all, to me the song is flawless, I would change nothing about it. That is not overrating, that is giving credit where credit is due. Overrating him would be saying everything he's ever done is amazing. All I'm saying, is that vocally at some points in his career, he's displayed astonishing talent, which out-strips a lot of other artists.
  • yosi wrote:
    This was exactly my point. I said its a great song. But calling it "perfect" is overrating it.


    Perfection is in the eye of the beholder.

    At that point in chris's career that song was reall good. Also keep in mind his voice is dressed up in the studio. But he still had the creativity to write it and end up with the finished product.
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  • See I happen to think that SG was more consistant than any band of the era. Including Pearl Jam. There are barely any weaker moments (if any at all) on all three of their best albums (badmotorfinger, superunknown, down on the upside). That's 6 years and 3 albums of absolutely solid material. Even Pearl Jam didn't pull that off. But it's all subjective anyway.


    Well they are differant bands. As rock albums sg is more solid, they stay on the same course through those records and the songs are all well done, not over produced along with no holding back.

    Pearl Jam has a wider fan base to appeal too, and they are capable of doing differant sounds and they are comfortable with it also.
    They have their folky side, and their ballads, and later they introduced like a 50s sound, comeback,last kiss, thin air, which even has a lil country sound.

    Solid isnt always better.
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  • Perfection is in the eye of the beholder.

    At that point in chris's career that song was reall good. Also keep in mind his voice is dressed up in the studio. But he still had the creativity to write it and end up with the finished product.

    Well the abundant video of Chris actually singing these songs back in the day would indicate that the studio songs were not 'dressed up'. At no point do you listen to those songs and think -"there is no way he could have ever have song that live". In fact he is remarkable amongst rock vocalists in actually sounding like he does on recording. Accusations of substantial post production modification are completely out of place.
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    after listening to this soundboard, I take every bad thing I have ever said about Chris Cornell...

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    Holy Sh*t, he even makes "Billie Jean" a rock song..!

    Check out his vocal range in "Wide Awake"...

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    Why? I really don't get that at all, to me the song is flawless, I would change nothing about it. That is not overrating, that is giving credit where credit is due. Overrating him would be saying everything he's ever done is amazing. All I'm saying, is that vocally at some points in his career, he's displayed astonishing talent, which out-strips a lot of other artists.

    I think that we might be using perfection in two different ways. When I was thinking perfect, I was thinking compared to all other songs. You are using perfection compare to itself.

    And I agree, the guy is definitely a great singer, I just think he sometimes gets too much credit (on this particular board).
    Perfection is in the eye of the beholder.

    At that point in chris's career that song was reall good. Also keep in mind his voice is dressed up in the studio. But he still had the creativity to write it and end up with the finished product.

    Too an extent. I think that if the term is used when comparing the song to itself, like facepollution was, I agree with you. But I don't think that it is possible to call any song perfect compared to all other songs. It can be a favorite, great, etc. But I don't think that any one song can be perfect in general.
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    yosi wrote:
    Agreed. And just for the people who will obviously jump on this, saying Cornell and Soundgarden are overrated does not mean that they are bad. They are still a great band, just not the best band ever, like people on this board seem to believe.

    Grrr..... :mad:

    So what if people think Soundgarden is the best band ever? That's their opinion! You aren't any more correct than they are when you say Led Zeppelin or Pearl Jam or whatever band you like the most is the greatest band in history.

    THERE IS NOTHING OBJECTIVE ABOUT MUSIC.

    I'm sick of everyone complaining that Chris Cornell is overrated. He is not overrated. You just don't like him as much as other people. How hard is that to understand?
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  • Well the abundant video of Chris actually singing these songs back in the day would indicate that the studio songs were not 'dressed up'. At no point do you listen to those songs and think -"there is no way he could have ever have song that live". In fact he is remarkable amongst rock vocalists in actually sounding like he does on recording. Accusations of substantial post production modification are completely out of place.


    So your point is chris sings live into the mic, on that record. The effects and production have always been crhis's friends.
    Doesnt he double record his voice and harmonize in that record. Or is he able to distribute 2 voices at once.
    Now that would be of a superunknown. Chris uses an effect on his voice that would be reminessant of jimmy page on guitar in studio. Cantrell uses it on degrogation trip.
    It makes it very hard to transpire live. Chris goes in and does the leads, and than he mixes his voice on the backgrounds. this is a big reason page and chris had trouble livein their respective bands. Cantrell when he toured degrogation had 4 singers that had choir backgrounds, paul mccartney also tours that way now, he says he hires choir singers and teaches the guitars and drums.

    This reply is exacty why he is overated on this website, to take a blind shot at me like I am a rookie is whats out of place, I stated how good chris is you want me to suck his balls. What more do you want me to say.

    chris can do anything in the world, he is the best ever, nobody is even close the rest suck.

    When chris says heaven you can hear his voice in the background.

    There is no way he could sing that live unless he had someone else on backups.

    Just like iun audioslave, chris studio tricks are among the best.
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  • yosi wrote:
    I think that we might be using perfection in two different ways. When I was thinking perfect, I was thinking compared to all other songs. You are using perfection compare to itself.

    And I agree, the guy is definitely a great singer, I just think he sometimes gets too much credit (on this particular board).



    Too an extent. I think that if the term is used when comparing the song to itself, like facepollution was, I agree with you. But I don't think that it is possible to call any song perfect compared to all other songs. It can be a favorite, great, etc. But I don't think that any one song can be perfect in general.


    I am supporting this, eye of the beholder usually means opinion.
    Its what someone needs out of the song. What ingriedients structure the music.

    For chris perfection for me is just like suicide.
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  • When chris says heaven you can hear his voice in the background.

    There is no way he could sing that live unless he had someone else on backups.

    Just like iun audioslave, chris studio tricks are among the best.

    Overdubbing with backing vocals is not using 'tricks'! Of course he can't replicate all two or three voices at once, but he can replicate the lead vocal....jeez....
  • Overdubbing with backing vocals is not using 'tricks'! Of course he can't replicate all two or three voices at once, but he can replicate the lead vocal....jeez....


    when did I say he didnt or couldnt.


    Chris makes his songs better with the creativity of his own singing, he is good not to many people can get into his key and sing with him in his bands.
    Same as pj, can stone sing, yes but is he on par with ed no.

    vedder is a perfect example, he doesnt do that much studio work or overdubbing., rarely maybee jeremey, this is why I like matts songs so much, I am sorry. This thread is getting rediculous.

    Say hello to heaven is great, what makes it better is the backgrounds.

    Chris is overated on this website its a fact, you guys think everyhting said if not for the prasie of perfect, its insulting to you guys and its the whole point here.

    his respone to me was accustaion of post production, I am not a songwriter, but post production to me means going back over something to make it better.

    And I wish vedder would be more like chris, I praise for it, they grow an inch every album, thats not enough. Im guessing vedder takes his approach becasue they are primarily a live band. And he likes to keep it real, to me chris is the better studio singer, I dont know what more I can say.

    its a trick commparred to ed plant tyler and daltry,
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