American Idiot

facepollution · January 2007

3sheets wrote:

if they wanted to, they should've done the entire album front to back. and then encored for about 45 min. to an hour w/ other material. it would've worked much better than splicing it up the way they did.

They did that a fair few times on the tour.

I'm not saying AI fever didn't become too much, because it absolutely did, but a lot of that was out of the bands' hands, just as when Pearl Jam became big after Ten, the difference being that Green Day aren't as bothered by the pressures of fame. But when all is said and done, despite the over playing on the radio, and Green Day becoming a brand rather than just a band, AI is still a brilliantly crafted record.

catefrances · January 2007

chrisopalooza wrote:

if you prefer punk, why are you listening to green day?

well, mr genre nazi, sometimes i like to take a break from the saints and anti-flag.

pushmepullme · January 2007

Green Day, are now the N'Synce of rock music, and have absolutely no credibility whatsoever nowadays. They are a pop band, producing music for 12 year old girls.

catefrances · January 2007

pushmepullme wrote:

Green Day, are now the N'Synce of rock music, and have absolutely no credibility whatsoever nowadays. They are a pop band, producing music for 12 year old girls.

oh that is such bullshit. but hey i was 12 years old once...maybe twice.

facepollution · January 2007

pushmepullme wrote:

Green Day, are now the N'Synce of rock music, and have absolutely no credibility whatsoever nowadays. They are a pop band, producing music for 12 year old girls.

I seriously hope you are kidding, here's some of the lyrics to Jesus of Suburbia - a far cry from the bullshit boy bands peddle.

I'm the son of rage and love
The Jesus of Suburbia
From the bible of none of the above
On a steady diet of soda pop and Ritalin
No one ever died for my sins in hell
As far as I can tell
At least the ones I got away with

And there's nothing wrong with me
This is how I'm supposed to be
In a land of make believe
That don't believe in me

Get my television fix sitting on my crucifix
The living room or my private womb
While the moms and brads are away
To fall in love and fall in debt
To alcohol and cigarettes and Mary Jane
To keep me insane and doing someone else's cocaine

And there's nothing wrong with me
This is how I'm supposed to be
In a land of make believe
That don't believe in me

prytocorduroy · January 2007

pushmepullme wrote:

Green Day, are now the N'Synce of rock music, and have absolutely no credibility whatsoever nowadays. They are a pop band, producing music for 12 year old girls.

Back up this complete bullshit statement instead of just making a claim. Have you even heard the album?

pushmepullme · January 2007

Yes. And its fucking drivel. Formulaic, cliched fucking shit of the highest order.

prytocorduroy · January 2007

pushmepullme wrote:

Yes. And its fucking drivel. Formulaic, cliched fucking shit of the highest order.

I think you're thinking of Nickelback's new album

ledvedderman · January 2007

I don't mind the album. It's not one I listen to every week, but it's still a decent album to listen to put on when you want some pop rock (which there is nothing wrong with if it's done right).

Here's my question, didn't Green Day put out a new wave album before American Idiot under another name? If so does anyone know where I can get it?

lalalalaaaaaaaa · January 2007

For pop rock, it's a decent album I think. I don't think it's their best though. I think Insomniac is their best because that album best captures what Green Day is: a hard-charged pop-rock band. I've always liked them, but I started growing out of them recently.

prytocorduroy · January 2007

ledvedderman wrote:

I don't mind the album. It's not one I listen to every week, but it's still a decent album to listen to put on when you want some pop rock (which there is nothing wrong with if it's done right).

Here's my question, didn't Green Day put out a new wave album before American Idiot under another name? If so does anyone know where I can get it?

Unless you're talking about Shenanigans which can easily be found, there was Cigarettes and Valentines. I'm sure that can be found with enough searching online. Some douche stole the tapes when they had finished so they scrapped it and American Idiot was born. Apparently American Idiot was the better album though...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cigarettes_and_Valentines

The Great Cornholio · January 2007

ledvedderman wrote:

I don't mind the album. It's not one I listen to every week, but it's still a decent album to listen to put on when you want some pop rock (which there is nothing wrong with if it's done right).

Here's my question, didn't Green Day put out a new wave album before American Idiot under another name? If so does anyone know where I can get it?

yeah it was green day and a member of devo. they are called the network and the album is called money 2020. its a weird album.

anyways, i love green day, they are my second best band, dookie is their best album, followed by warning and then insomniac, then nimrod then its american idiot, then 1039 smoothed out slappy hours, then kerplunk (gasps for air)

they will have a new album out in 2008, billie joe said they have 3 albums worth of material. and each goes in different directions. 1 is a story like american idiot, the other is a staright up punk record and the other stuff they have is more experimental. he said and i quote that they stuff they have is "mind-blowing" and will top american idiot.

happy days.

chrisopalooza · January 2007

catefrances wrote:

well, mr genre nazi, sometimes i like to take a break from the saints and anti-flag.

hahaha

chrisopalooza · January 2007

facepollution wrote:

I seriously hope you are kidding, here's some of the lyrics to Jesus of Suburbia - a far cry from the bullshit boy bands peddle.

I'm the son of rage and love
The Jesus of Suburbia
From the bible of none of the above
On a steady diet of soda pop and Ritalin
No one ever died for my sins in hell
As far as I can tell
At least the ones I got away with

And there's nothing wrong with me
This is how I'm supposed to be
In a land of make believe
That don't believe in me

Get my television fix sitting on my crucifix
The living room or my private womb
While the moms and brads are away
To fall in love and fall in debt
To alcohol and cigarettes and Mary Jane
To keep me insane and doing someone else's cocaine

And there's nothing wrong with me
This is how I'm supposed to be
In a land of make believe
That don't believe in me

aight, green day hasn't quite sunken to the level of my chemical shitpants, but these lyrics don't really help their credibility as a bay area punk trio. i am not embarrassed to say that i own every green day album (although i sold american idiot). but you have to realize that they really do suck nowadays; they are a joke; they COMPLETELY sold out; driven by money and fame -- they truly do not care about making punk rock anymore -- that is a fact, just accept it.

brain of c · January 2007

great record.

facepollution · January 2007

chrisopalooza wrote:

aight, green day hasn't quite sunken to the level of my chemical shitpants, but these lyrics don't really help their credibility as a bay area punk trio. i am not embarrassed to say that i own every green day album (although i sold american idiot). but you have to realize that they really do suck nowadays; they are a joke; they COMPLETELY sold out; driven by money and fame -- they truly do not care about making punk rock anymore -- that is a fact, just accept it.

Oh sorry, didn't realise it was a fact if YOU say so.

How would you know if they are driven by fame and money? Unless you know them, you know shit.

And those lyrics I posted are one of the best bits of social commentary I've read in ages, and since most punk rock tends to be based on singing about social situations, in particular those people that are being shit on, they are absolutely fucking spot on. Get off your pretentious high-horse. Yes they are very popular, BUT for all they knew AI could have ended their career. They make the music they want, and in making the music THEY want, that makes them as punk rock as any other punk band.

lalalalaaaaaaaa · January 2007

facepollution wrote:

Oh sorry, didn't realise it was a fact if YOU say so.

How would you know if they are driven by fame and money? Unless you know them, you know shit.

And those lyrics I posted are one of the best bits of social commentary I've read in ages, and since most punk rock tends to be based on singing about social situations, in particular those people that are being shit on, they are absolutely fucking spot on. Get off your pretentious high-horse. Yes they are very popular, BUT for all they knew AI could have ended their career. They make the music they want, and in making the music THEY want, that makes them as punk rock as any other punk band.

I like Green Day and all, but they are not punk rock. All you have to do is "make the music you want" to be punk? That's a terrible definition of that genre. I personally don't like punk all that much, but it's something to be respected...and Green Day just isn't a part of it. I have no problem with them making pop music, but if they're classifying themselves as punk, that's pretty lame.

justam · January 2007

It seems to me that it's a waste of time to argue about what category a band's music fits into. Can't we just go on whether we like something or not?

If people don't like something...fine...and if they do like it, that can be fine too.

I think it's a waste of time to say "This isn't good because it isn't such-and-such or this is great because it is this-or-that."

lalalalaaaaaaaa · January 2007

justam wrote:

It seems to me that it's a waste of time to argue about what category a band's music fits into. Can't we just go on whether we like something or not?

If people don't like something...fine...and if they do like it, that can be fine too.

I think it's a waste of time to say "This isn't good because it isn't such-and-such or this is great because it is this-or-that."

I just think it's disrespectful to the punk genre and those artists to lump Green Day in with them. I may like you, but if I keep calling you Harry when you're name is justam, it's disrespectful.

Like I said, I like Green Day...but I like them for what they are...a pop rock band.

justam · January 2007

Saturnal wrote:

I just think it's disrespectful to the punk genre and those artists to lump Green Day in with them. I may like you, but if I keep calling you Harry when you're name is justam, it's disrespectful.

Like I said, I like Green Day...but I like them for what they are...a pop rock band.

I can understand what you're saying about calling me Harry and disrespect, but I don't think it's the same with genre labels.

I think people write music that they imagine in their minds without (unless they are manufactured bands and that's a different issue entirely!!) worrying what label will be applied to it.

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