American Idiot

facepollution

Saturnal wrote:

See this is exactly my point. The average rock fan will bash certain mainstream bands such as Nickelback or Creed, but praise non-mainstream bands at the same time. Those people wouldn't be aware that those non-mainstream rock bands existed if they hadn't taken the time to look through the pop crap to find them. However, they won't do it for hip-hop...they will simply say "hip-hop sucks". I know you don't do that, but it sure seemed like that's what the other poster was doing. And the reason they don't give hip-hop the same chance is not because of the lyrical content of the mainstream artists.

Ok I kind of get your point, and it does seem like we are going in circles here, but there are plenty of decent mainstream rock bands, Pearl Jam, Green Day, Foo Fighters, Tool, NIN, Smashing Pumpkins etc, all who have decent lyrics. The point I'm trying to make is that the average rock fan isn't put off by rap per se, just the rap which they are exposed to which they can't relate to - and principally this is because lyrically it is a million miles away from what they are used to. The fact there have been plenty of cross-over acts kind of demonstrates my point. I'm not saying that some people aren't ignorant to the fact there are decent hip-hop artists out there, but I don't think race is their primary reason for not liking it. The rock community is plenty capable of embracing black musicians, Jimi Hendrix, Bad brains, Ben Harper, Rage against the machine, Bloc Party, Tv on the radio, Skunk Anansie - all proving my point.

No Fear Of Falling

Anyone bashing Hip Hop needs to listen to some Tupac and some Immortal Technique. Some of the best music made. PERIOD.

But 99% of the hip hop on the radio just sucks. Its commercialized "wearin my bling bling drivin my escalade wit my 2 bitches" garbage.

I like my music to have a bit of substance.

lalalalaaaaaaaa

facepollution wrote:

Ok I kind of get your point, and it does seem like we are going in circles here, but there are plenty of decent mainstream rock bands, Pearl Jam, Green Day, Foo Fighters, Tool, NIN, Smashing Pumpkins etc, all who have decent lyrics. The point I'm trying to make is that the average rock fan isn't put off by rap per se, just the rap which they are exposed to which they can't relate to - and principally this is because lyrically it is a million miles away from what they are used to. The fact there have been plenty of cross-over acts kind of demonstrates my point. I'm not saying that some people aren't ignorant to the fact there are decent hip-hop artists out there, but I don't think race is their primary reason for not liking it. The rock community is plenty capable of embracing black musicians, Jimi Hendrix, Bad brains, Ben Harper, Rage against the machine, Bloc Party, Tv on the radio, Skunk Anansie - all proving my point.

I can name plenty of decent mainstream artists, and I already have...Jay-Z, 2Pac, Mos Def, etc. etc. There are plenty out there. People are exposed to decent rap as much as decent rock, but the decent rap won't get nearly as recognized.

And it's not just about race, either. It's a combination of race and culture. When I say a "black thing" or a "white thing" that goes beyond race. Most rock fans can relate to Jimi Hendrix more than they can Eminem, whereas most hip-hop fans would relate more to Eminem than Hendrix.

So I still think it has more to do with race/culture than lyrical stylings.

angryyoungman

Brez wrote:

I just think it's a shame how overplayed all of the songs got

agreed. i was really into this album alot when it came out, its just so many of the songs got way overplayed. it'll probably take me a while to listen to it again. . .kinda reminds me of when live came out with 'throwing copper', loved that album until it was played into submission. . .then couldnt listen to it for a few years.

run_into_the_rain

I really don't like the womanizer rap bling shit that you hear on the radio. Other than that I don't have a poblem with it. I can't imagine how this ties into green day