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Brisk. · January 2006

yeh jazz seems to be more technical, its harder to teach yourself like a trumpet or something, and jazz guys know more about scales arppegios and stuff

dane · January 2006

I agree that jazzmusicians are technically more advanced. Some of the shit they can do with their instruments are midnblowing. But is it just me or doesn't it sometimes seem like they are to eager to show of or whatever, so that they - as a band - sound out of tune/rythm? I'm not that big a jazzfan, so don't flame me for this oppinion.....
There's somebody inhere with a signature that reads:
Jazz is musical wanking!

Couldn't agree more.

BinFrog · January 2006

dane wrote:

I agree that jazzmusicians are technically more advanced. Some of the shit they can do with their instruments are midnblowing. But is it just me or doesn't it sometimes seem like they are to eager to show of or whatever, so that they - as a band - sound out of tune/rythm? I'm not that big a jazzfan, so don't flame me for this oppinion.....
There's somebody inhere with a signature that reads:
Jazz is musical wanking! Couldn't agree more.

There are so many different forms of jazz. Some of it is very cacophonous, sometimes on purpose and other times because the musicians are just not in sync. Not all jazz musicians are necessarily good musicians. There are such things as bad jazz groups.

But jazz when it works is almost the definition of musical perfection. Its beautiful, sometimes even moreso in its rawest state. Check out some early 60's live Coltrane to see an example of someone pouring everything they have into their playing.

Some people view it as wankery. The same could be said for Mike soloing during Evenflow. One man's garbage is another man's treasure.

Oh, Jimmy · January 2006

BinFrog wrote:

There are a lot of rock guys who could probably fill in with a jazz ensemble, but honestly jazz musicians are in a totally different realm. You are talking about Berkley graduates/etc who practice day in and day out and know every chord, scale, time signature, progression, and can look at an 8-chord song and figure out some cimbination of scales to play over it without even blinking. You have to get into jazz to understand what I am talking about. Les Claypool is one of my favorite bassists, but Vic Wooten, Jaco Pastorius, Stuart Hamm, Steve Bailey, etc could put him to shame from a techincal standpoint. But that is taking NOTHING away from Les. He is incredible in his own right and the stuff he comes up with is mind blowing. He has dabbled in fusion jazz a bit too though, so he's not 100% rock based.

All I'm saying is jazz is it's own beast where there are no rules. Gimme any 100% straight ahead rock player of any instrument you think rules (and they probably do in the rock world) and from a purely technical standpoint I can find someone in jazz to all but school them.

I give you Danny Carey. I know there are quite a few jazz drummers that accept him into their world of badass drummers. John Bonham was also respected amongst the jazz drummers in his day.
My knowledge of jazz is quite limited. I am interested in gettin into it. What are some pretty rockin bands that are obviously jazz influenced.
Also, the drummer from the Mars Volta is amazing and he is constantly changing what he plays.

Brisk. · January 2006

dane wrote:

I agree that jazzmusicians are technically more advanced. Some of the shit they can do with their instruments are midnblowing. But is it just me or doesn't it sometimes seem like they are to eager to show of or whatever, so that they - as a band - sound out of tune/rythm? I'm not that big a jazzfan, so don't flame me for this oppinion.....
There's somebody inhere with a signature that reads:
Jazz is musical wanking! Couldn't agree more.

haha
yeh nice one for pickign that out

dane · January 2006

I BrisK I wrote:

haha
yeh nice one for pickign that out

?? Are you the one that used to have that sig?

Brisk. · January 2006

lol no i wasn't heh

oops typo - picking*

BinFrog · January 2006

Oh, Jimmy wrote:

I give you Danny Carey. I know there are quite a few jazz drummers that accept him into their world of badass drummers. John Bonham was also respected amongst the jazz drummers in his day.
My knowledge of jazz is quite limited. I am interested in gettin into it. What are some pretty rockin bands that are obviously jazz influenced.
Also, the drummer from the Mars Volta is amazing and he is constantly changing what he plays.

Danny Carey is a great drummer. But I can also think of a lot of rock drummers in his league or better.

But as far as jazz drummers go: Compare Dennis Chambers or Billy Cobham to Danny Carey. No contest.

It sounds like you may dig some fusion groups. You should check out the Mahavishnu Orchestra, Vital Tech Tones, early Billy Cobham solo work, Miles Davis circa 69-72 (like "In A Silent Way" and "Bitches Brew").

Oh, Jimmy · January 2006

BinFrog wrote:

Danny Carey is a great drummer. But I can also think of a lot of rock drummers in his league or better.

But as far as jazz drummers go: Compare Dennis Chambers or Billy Cobham to Danny Carey. No contest.

It sounds like you may dig some fusion groups. You should check out the Mahavishnu Orchestra, Vital Tech Tones, early Billy Cobham solo work, Miles Davis circa 69-72 (like "In A Silent Way" and "Bitches Brew").

Have you listened to his side project, Volto. Its his jazz influence comin out. I havent got a chance to listen to it, but a buddy of mine, a drummer mind you, loves them, and all things Danny Carey. Until you can watch him up close, you dont realize how good he is. Said friend has a dvd of him playing Lateralus in the studio on his bronze Paiste set. Its downright amazing. Tons of power too. He was flinchin everytime he hit a cymbal. And at one point he uses a gong. Somethin I never picked up on before. Billy Cobham is on there as well as a few other jazz drummers. There is a guy on there that does Bonzo dead on too. I can't think of the name of the dvd. Itsa must for drummers and really musicians of any sort.

Thanks for the recomendations. I will have to check some of that stuff out.

sj_2150 · January 2006

BinFrog wrote:

Danny Carey is a great drummer. But I can also think of a lot of rock drummers in his league or better.

But as far as jazz drummers go: Compare Dennis Chambers or Billy Cobham to Danny Carey. No contest.

It sounds like you may dig some fusion groups. You should check out the Mahavishnu Orchestra, Vital Tech Tones, early Billy Cobham solo work, Miles Davis circa 69-72 (like "In A Silent Way" and "Bitches Brew").

dont forget buddy rich...

BinFrog · January 2006

sj_2150 wrote:

dont forget buddy rich...

I couldn't if I tried. I just brought up 2 drummers out of like 100 I could have

sj_2150 · January 2006

BinFrog wrote:

I couldn't if I tried. I just brought up 2 drummers out of like 100 I could have

yeah, well ive always considered him one of my top 4 drummers and id say skill wise he was the best... or ed saughnessy from johny carson

Brisk. · January 2006

dennis chambers and buddy rich! genious

Moondemon · January 2006

sj_2150 wrote:

dude i was like you, but you have to see these guys for yourself. i didnt care much for jazz, until my uncle took me to this jazz bar, and i instantly became a jazz fan. theyre incredibly techinical and can sometimes be really heavy. no joke! most people think that double bass drums were thought up by metal but jazz drummers have been using them scince the 30s.... blah blah blah, you get the idea

I'm a huge metal fan and think that jazz musicians really kick ass... I was listening to an interview with slayer's drummer Dave Lombardo, who left the band during a 2 or 3 album period.. During that time, he said he had been playing with a jazz band to keep up with his drumming.. I don't know if you ever heard the drums in a slayer song, but it sure goes fast... Anyway, I also think that jazz musicians are amazing. I think that whgat makes jazz such a good type of music is that it's all improvisation (well 95% of it..) and it sounds good in the end !

Brisk. · January 2006

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Lombardo, He Is Amazing In Slayer, Havent Heard Of Any The Jazz

sj_2150 · January 2006

Moondemon wrote:

I'm a huge metal fan and think that jazz musicians really kick ass... I was listening to an interview with slayer's drummer Dave Lombardo, who left the band during a 2 or 3 album period.. During that time, he said he had been playing with a jazz band to keep up with his drumming.. I don't know if you ever heard the drums in a slayer song, but it sure goes fast... Anyway, I also think that jazz musicians are amazing. I think that whgat makes jazz such a good type of music is that it's all improvisation (well 95% of it..) and it sounds good in the end !

Ofcourse ive heard slayer! im a metalhead through and through!

also i might aswell name this guy because hes an incredible drummer aswell as one of the coolest guys ever: Gene Hoglan

smarchee · January 2006

MY NAME IS MUD........

Come with us we'll sail the seas of cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze........

I am the Anti-pop
The Man You CANNOT STOP.............

moeaholic · January 2006

i dig primus, but antipop is horrible. give me suck on this, seas of cheese, frizzle fry, punchbowl, but no antipop please.

i saw frog brigade the first year they toured. they did a 13 minute cover of 'tomorrow never knows' by the beatles.......totally insane. i wish les would do more in the jam band scene. frog brigade and oysterhead both had some pretty great music.

another cd i have with les is "highball with the devil", by les claypool and the holy mackerel. pretty good stuff, i tells ya.

i think the only thing les did that i just couldn't get into at all was sausage. don't know why, just didn't float my boat.

U-R · January 2006

they are/were amazing talents but listening to their stuff was just a bit too much like living inside a dr. zeus book whilst on huge doses of acid with no senses other than your hearing.

their albums should carry labels something to the effect of "warning. more than 2 songs at a time may cause brain damage"

ramspam · January 2006

I just got the brown album the other day for $10 I had a choice between that anti-pop and pork soda but chose the brown album so i had the black, white and brown albums. I love it so much Les Claypools such an awesome bassist. I'm interested in getting some more of there albums what would you recomend?

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