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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    On the day Pearl Jam opens their East Coast Leg of a tour... in the South, where they haven't played since when... 2003? You'd think that Pearl Jam fans would be celebrating and feeling happy for their fellow fans tonight.
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    Instead... what? Calling them 'Sell-Outs'... hypocrites... and pretty much telling them how and how not to run their business.
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    I'm glad they don't read this bullshit message board. This way, they can still have the image of us being cool people... instead of the judgemental little people with a huge sense of self-righteousness.
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  • Foxy Mop
    Foxy Mop Posts: 2,823
    Indian Summer wrote:
    Maybe after the whole At&T thing at Lolla last year, they decided to partner up with Verizon???? just a thought.

    LMAO!!! I only got up to reading this post and for some reason I find it freakin hysterical! Kudos :D
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  • Chazz
    Chazz Posts: 1,156
    samnation wrote:
    I'm sure Pearl Jam has heard the term "sell-out" from day one. Didn't Kurt Cobain call them corporate rock way back when they first hit? But I see this Verizon deal as nothing more than a simple one-off distribution deal. This time it's just mobile downloads instead of CDs. And in fact Verizon is only getting a small fraction of what will be offered to the fans directly from the band themselves through the 2008 bootlegs. Bootlegs that are coming directly from Pearl Jam, no record label, no third party.

    If I were a band and I wanted more people to hear my music (not just core fans but new fans too), in 2008 it makes a lot of sense to distribute some music with a mobile carrier instead of a record label. CD sales are down and sinking while mobile phones are evolving into mobile devices with faster download speeds and better quality sound and video every year. Why not get your music out there? Pearl Jam retains ownership of all their music, there is no Verizon logo anywhere near the stage just like there was never a Sony logo, Pearl Jam doesn't do any stupid commercials, and some people might actually get turned on to Pearl Jam by listening to a FREE live track. I really don't see a down side.

    This is a very good post
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  • brain of c
    brain of c Posts: 5,213
    the who sell out.


    i have that on 8 track.
    d'oh!!!!!!

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  • HailHailVitalogy
    HailHailVitalogy Posts: 6,013
    i understand your point, but its not like the band is doing anything greedy with verizon....they have phones being donated to help those less fortunate and they are getting their live music out a new way, which includes a free song from each show! you cant beat that

    people we're calling them sell outs last year and the year before that, but then lolla happened and everyone shut(ed) the fuck up
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  • Kel Varnsen
    Kel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    slightofjeff wrote:
    Eh ... I actually think Ed is pretty fucking hilarious.


    I don't know. It just seems to me that Jewel would be an easy target that requires no risk when you bash her in front of thousands of your own fans (and probably very few if any of hers). Plus I don’t recall Ed ever speaking out against Zeppelin or his good friends The Who when they sold their songs to be in car commercials.

    The way I see it if you are a professional musician, it is similar to being a pro athlete in that, unless you want to go back to a regular job when your music career is over, you very likely only have a very small window in which to make enough money to set you up for the rest of your life.
  • j.ro
    j.ro Posts: 111
    High Fidelity 2000 wrote:
    Integrity. The band used to have it.

    Flame on, fuckers. You know it's true. :)

    I'm a HUGE defender of the band...come hell or high water!

    However, I kinda have to agree on this one. I'm not sure why they did it. There had to be some necessary business move in play. Maybe it was needed to help pay for the actual tour without charging us an arm and a leg for the tickets. Whatever the reason, Pearl Jam and Verizon should never be in the same sentence together, let alone a ticket stub.
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  • goldrush
    goldrush everybody knows this is nowhere Posts: 7,790
    Does anybody REALLY give a shit about this stuff? I mean come on, what difference does it make?

    As long as they are the ones writing and performing the songs then I really don't see the point in us bitching and moaning at each other beacuse of some deal that has been done that in now way affects the music.

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  • teflonsteve
    teflonsteve Posts: 275
    Cosmo wrote:
    If you want to get technical about it...
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    Didn't Pearl Jam 'Sell-Out' when they signed with Sony/Epic is 1990? I mean, in 1990... was Sony a 'corporation' or not? Couldn't they have continued to make records in the tiny independent scene, like Mudhoney?
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    So all of this 'Sell-out'... 'corporate'... bulllshit from talentless people really doesn't mean shit if these fans bought into it... right? And aren't you a Corporate whore/Sell-out if you drive a car? Ride in an Airliner? Use a computer? All those things are made by corporations and your buying into them make you a corporate lackey, don't it?

    Exactly! Everyone needs to chill out. When I go to see Pearl Jam I dont give two shits if there are ads everywhere or not. Im not looking for the ads and I am looking at the stage and listening to the music.

    Talk to me when they start name dropping corporations in their songs. Then I'll be concerned.
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  • HailHailLeatherman
    HailHailLeatherman Posts: 126
    Dude, I would totally buy Viagra if they had a commerical with a cock singing "Alive"!!!

    Seriously, the original poster has a point. I love it when everyone gets all bent out of shape when the truth is spoken. If you love the band to death or not, it is the truth.

    Dosen't make them (PJ) evil for doing it just as much as there is nothing wrong in pointing out Ed's hypocrisy. It is a message board, talking stuff out it what it all about.
  • smithnic
    smithnic Posts: 1,565
    goldrush wrote:
    Does anybody REALLY give a shit about this stuff? I mean come on, what difference does it make?

    As long as they are the ones writing and performing the songs then I really don't see the point in us bitching and moaning at each other beacuse of some deal that has been done that in now way affects the music.

    just my two cents worth...

    I do! It's completely hypocritical to criticize AT&T about Lallapalooza and then go with Verizon now.
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  • chromiam
    chromiam Posts: 4,114
    smithnic wrote:
    I do! It's completely hypocritical to criticize AT&T about Lallapalooza and then go with Verizon now.

    Please explain how....
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  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,993
    smithnic wrote:
    I do! It's completely hypocritical to criticize AT&T about Lallapalooza and then go with Verizon now.

    they aren't "going with" Verizon. they want to do bootlegs by phone and Verizon is a phone service that can do that. It's not like Ed's going to be dressing like the "can you hear me now" guy during the shows or giving verizon plugs between songs

    they criticized AT&T for censoring their performance of Daughter, which is completely unrelated to them using Verizon for bootlegs.

    now, when a guy pens the lyrics "Model role model roll some models in blood" and then marries a model, that could be called hypocritical...but what you're saying isn't
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  • PissBottleMan
    PissBottleMan Union City, TN Posts: 4,155
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
    now, when a guy pens the lyrics "Model role model roll some models in blood" and then marries a model, that could be called hypocritical...but what you're saying isn't

    So...there is a history of blurring the lines. ;)

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  • samnation
    samnation Los Angeles, CA Posts: 277
    j.ro wrote:
    Pearl Jam and Verizon should never be in the same sentence together

    I disagree. It's just a phone carrier. It's not like it's Haliburton.
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  • nfanel
    nfanel Posts: 2,558
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
    now, when a guy pens the lyrics "Model role model roll some models in blood" and then marries a model, that could be called hypocritical...but what you're saying isn't
    :D
    samnation wrote:
    I disagree. It's just a phone carrier. It's not like it's Haliburton.
    yes, i'm still curious why verizon is considered so evil. sure it's a big business, but you don't exactly see a lot of mom & pop utility companies out there. i guess i'm biased because i work here and think verizon does a lot of great things...this being one of them. they're not asking pearl jam for their souls or to get up there and ask everyone to switch carriers. they're just a source to distribute free music - which most normal fans would consider a very cool thing.
  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,993
    PissBottleMan wrote:
    So...there is a history of blurring the lines. ;)

    PBM

    I assume you're referring to the mattcrush?
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  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    We're still debating this? Holy fuckin' shit ...

    Guess what else I heard? Ed uses Fender guitars ... that's a big, giant corporation. What a fuckin' sellout. He should build his guitars himself out of recycled cardboard and Boom's asshair.
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  • cbbjr
    cbbjr Posts: 241
    nfanel wrote:
    :D

    you don't exactly see a lot of mom & pop utility companies out there.

    Exactly. If they want to distribute via cell phones, you have to have a means to do it.

    If people don't like it, don't get the mobile download. Having Verizon involved provides an additional service. It doesn't take anything away from a show.
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  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    slightofjeff wrote:
    We're still debating this? Holy fuckin' shit ...

    Guess what else I heard? Ed uses Fender guitars ... that's a big, giant corporation. What a fuckin' sellout. He should build his guitars himself out of recycled cardboard and Boom's asshair.

    Best post of this ass backwards thread.

    The fans need to get over themselves, Pearl Jam know what the hell they are doing.

    As far as the model comment. I'm sure Ed realized that models can be as beautiful on the inside as they are on the outside, so why should anyone hold that against him.

    Please stop acting like spoiled children and focus on things like "Who You Are" being played for the first time in 12 years...
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