Sponsored by No One Tour 1995. Sponsored by Verizon Tour 2008.

nfanel · June 2008

slightofjeff wrote:

It would be nice if the vast minority could at least verbalize why. And the fact that "Verizon is a corporation" isn't a viable argument.

yes, my question is who is getting hurt here.

chromiam · June 2008

nfanel wrote:

well said. i don't know why i come here around tour time. the demands and sense of entitlement really drives me insane.

Agreed and its not just tour time.. its whenever there is a new album or DVD or poster sale... its just really sad at times.

slightofjeff · June 2008

chromiam wrote:

Agreed and its not just tour time.. its whenever there is a new album or DVD or poster sale... its just really sad at times.

there are some cool people here. You just have to learn to weed out the d-bags, I guess.

chromiam · June 2008

slightofjeff wrote:

there are some cool people here. You just have to learn to weed out the d-bags, I guess.

ohhh I know.. it just seems like the d-bags scream the loudest lol

lostdogs77 · June 2008

slightofjeff wrote:

there are some cool people here. You just have to learn to weed out the d-bags, I guess.

Are you saying some on here are sponsored by Massengill?

slightofjeff · June 2008

Crazy Mark wrote:

Are you saying some on here are sponsored by Massengill?

Most definitely.

On a related note, I heard Pearl Jam is selling the song Oceans to Tampax: "Hold on to the thread ... "

Ledbetterman10 · June 2008

Kel Varnsen wrote:

Even if the band sold Alive for a Viagra commercial would that automatically make Alive a bad song?

I think you've just named the one and only scenario that would in fact make Alive a bad song. even worse is if they used Alive as the background music in those penis enlargement commercials instead of the whistling. "This is Bob. Bob's doing well. Why? Well, because recently Bob decided to go big time. There ya go Bob. Now ya got some well deserved respect around the neighborhood."

Kel Varnsen · June 2008

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

I think you've just named the one and only scenario that would in fact make Alive a bad song. even worse is if they used Alive as the background music in those penis enlargement commercials instead of the whistling. "This is Bob. Bob's doing well. Why? Well, because recently Bob decided to go big time. There ya go Bob. Now ya got some well deserved respect around the neighborhood."

Why does that make it a bad song? It is not like it was written for that purpose. Is "Rock and Roll" by Led Zeppelin now a bad song because it was used in Caddillac commercials? In the end it is still the same song you liked before the commercial came out.

I_Got_Shit · June 2008

slightofjeff wrote:

there are some cool people here. You just have to learn to weed out the d-bags, I guess.

So you're a douchebag if you do anything but bow down to the glory that is Pearl Jam? Come on. There are plenty of stupid threads on this board ("pics where Ed looks hot" for example), so I think a reasonable discussion about the band's corporate partnerships holds some value. Like I said before, I'm obviously in the minority in my opinion. But I don't think I'm a douche for expressing my opinion, just because you don't agree with me. (And my original point was the 1992 Ed would probably hate this deal, which I don't think many would argue. I also don't think many would argue that 1992 Ed was kind of an asshole, and I probably am too).

slightofjeff wrote:

On a related note, I heard Pearl Jam is selling the song Oceans to Tampax: "Hold on to the thread ... "

OK, that was hilarious.

chromiam · June 2008

Kel Varnsen wrote:

Why does that make it a bad song? It is not like it was written for that purpose. Is "Rock and Roll" by Led Zeppelin now a bad song because it was used in Caddillac commercials? In the end it is still the same song you liked before the commercial came out.

Exactly, I mean how many more people found out who The Who were because Who Are You? being used as the intro for CSI. And do I think about CSI everytime I hear the opening of that song??? nope I think about seeing The Who live and the train on the video screens when that song starts..

Ledbetterman10 · June 2008

Kel Varnsen wrote:

Why does that make it a bad song? It is not like it was written for that purpose. Is "Rock and Roll" by Led Zeppelin now a bad song because it was used in Caddillac commercials? In the end it is still the same song.

I'm only kidding Pennypacker. just laughing at the thought of a PJ song actually being in a viagra commercial. No, the Zep song in those commercials isn't demeaned at all by being in them....but I still would hate to hear a PJ song in a commercial...which we obviously will someday. Zeppelin waited like 30 years to allow someone to use one of their songs in a commercial. 30 years from now when Stone's social security starts running out, you'll be hearing Evenflow in plumbing commercials

rrivers · June 2008

slightofjeff wrote:

It would be nice if the vast minority could at least verbalize why. And the fact that "Verizon is a corporation" isn't a viable argument.

It's simple. It is hypocritical for a band that has been as vocal as they have been about being associated with any kind of advertising, sponsorship, etc. to now be so closely tied to Verizon. Listen to the rants against Celine Dion, Jewel, etc. Now we are just supposed to give them a pass without commenting on it? I'm actually surprised it is the minority who are against it. Just proves how many sheep there are on here.

slightofjeff · June 2008

I_Got_Shit wrote:

So you're a douchebag if you do anything but bow down to the glory that is Pearl Jam? Come on.

I didn't mention any names or say anything of the sort.

I'll leave my original statement as is.

slightofjeff · June 2008

rrivers wrote:

It's simple. It is hypocritical for a band that has been as vocal as they have been about being associated with any kind of advertising, sponsorship, etc. to now be so closely tied to Verizon. Listen to the rants against Celine Dion, Jewel, etc. Now we are just supposed to give them a pass without commenting on it?

But they are using Verizon to distribute music. They aren't hawking Verizon. Jewel was hawking razors, which last I checked, have very little to do with music.

What's the difference between using Verizon to distribute live songs and using the Sony company to put out "Ten"? Because I don't see it.

I think the people that are pissed off about it are the people who don't really have a firm grasp of what is going on here. Look at the original poster. He thinks the damn tour is sponsored by Verizon, and it isn't at all.

Kel Varnsen · June 2008

rrivers wrote:

It's simple. It is hypocritical for a band that has been as vocal as they have been about being associated with any kind of advertising, sponsorship, etc. to now be so closely tied to Verizon. Listen to the rants against Celine Dion, Jewel, etc. Now we are just supposed to give them a pass without commenting on it? I'm actually surprised it is the minority who are against it. Just proves how many sheep there are on here.

But at the same time you could also argue that last year Eddie wrote a bunch of songs to help sell a Hollywood Movie. Surely the fact that the lead singer of Pearl Jam wrote a bunch of songs for the movie helped increase its box office revenue.

Ledbetterman10 · June 2008

I_Got_Shit wrote:

So you're a douchebag if you do anything but bow down to the glory that is Pearl Jam?

no you're a douchebag when you get off on getting under the skin of other people on the internet. the person who doesn't even truly believe that "Ed's a sell out" or "tenclub sucks" but starts the thread anyway because they have no life and enjoy watching their message board threads get responses. take the original poster of this thread. he makes a false claim (the tour isn't SPONSORED by Verizon at all), comes up with a long thread title, calls the band sell-outs, palys with his Han Solo action figure for a while, and then it's back to the computer to check up on all the crap-throwing he has started. he hasn't posted one thing in this thread since his original post...other than to tell me this when I asked why he even cares about all this verizon stuff:

High Fidelity 2000 wrote:

Integrity. The band used to have it.

Flame on, fuckers. You know it's true.

see, he enjoys us "flaming on fuckers" whatever the heck that means.

and that, I_Got_Shit, is an example of the douchebags around here that you should avoid.

PJ_Lukin · June 2008

I am still trying to figure out how the hell they make any money at all with so few dates. It is like building a business and only opening it 2 or 3 hours a day, night time hours only. Should they lose money to play for us?

Lots of work to get these shows up and running. Lots of people, trucks & fuel, hotels, transportation etc... Pearl Jam has responsibilities for other people too, not just themselves. They are providing a living for many families. The decision to use verizon vcast to distribute music is not one of selling out. You won't see a verizon banner hanging on the side of the stage, you won't see ed take on tv hawking phones. If they have to sell a few songs over one of the most popular way of obtaining music in the year 2008, so be it. I won't get it that way but if it allows everyone to get to hear them. Good, I am for whatever allows them to come out and play. It isn't the 90's and they have to sell some music to make more music.

It is afterall, all about the music.

Solat13 · June 2008

Why do I think if this article came out today instead of three years ago, that many people on here would disagree with it:

http://www.usatoday.com/life/columnist/popcandy/2005-07-05-pop-candy_x.htm

This is humorous to me that this issue is still being discussed.

Unless PJ becomes an underground band playing dive bars with no publicity they are always going to have to work with corporations whether it be record labels, distribution centers, etc. to get their music to the people. I mean Ten Club itself is a corporation.

I just don't understand how the term selling out applies her unless it's being used to say Pearl Jam has sold out MSG.

The day they do something like Target sponsors the Pearl Jam Reunion tour I'll change my tune, but if people are really upset that they are giving out a free song download to people over a mobile phone - they need to stop being so high and mighty and get over it.

I_Got_Shit · June 2008

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

no you're a douchebag when you get off on getting under the skin of other people on the internet. the person who doesn't even truly believe that "Ed's a sell out" or "tenclub sucks" but starts the thread anyway because they have no life and enjoy watching their message board threads get responses. take the original poster of this thread. he makes a false claim (the tour isn't SPONSORED by Verizon at all), comes up with a long thread title, calls the band sell-outs, palys with his Han Solo action figure for a while, and then it's back to the computer to check up on all the crap-throwing he has started. he hasn't posted one thing in this thread since his original post...other than to tell me this when I asked why he even cares about all this verizon stuff:

see, he enjoys us "flaming on fuckers" whatever the heck that means.

and that, I_Got_Shit, is an example of the douchebags around here that you should avoid.

Yeah...I saw the title of the thread and I was like, oh shit, what did I start?

I have to object to that comment about playing with his Han Solo action figure, though. That was just wrong. Everybody knows you can't take the action figure out of its original packaging and play with it if you want it to retain maximum re-sale value.

Perrymasterflex · June 2008

I completely agree with the poster... and I too have been thinking a lot about the band's most recent decisions. When I fell in love with Pearl Jam almost four years ago-- it was the music that interested me, but it was the concept that had me enthralled, obsessed even. As a teenager discouraged, and dissatisfied by the music that "my" generation called its own-- I turned to the concept which was Pearl Jam to lean on. It was something that felt intimate, it felt exclusive, as if it was best kept secret. I wont go into what the community has meant to me, how liberating the traveling has been for me, or how the band's ideals have influenced my own. But I feel like this concept is deteriorating (for me), and quite frankly the music alone isn't enough to keep me entangled. This tour will mark my 6th through 10th time seeing the group, and hopefully it rejuvenates the passion I once had-- and if not, well its been a great ride. I am grateful to have been in such good hands these last few years...

P.S. It just feels really shitty being on that Verizon website with Pearl Jam's name on it... I guess I thought I'd never see somthing like that.

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