Also agree that it is about the music. Last night's musical performance was sub par. I can't imagine the band is happy with how it sounded over people's televisions or in studio. For me that's part of what makes PJ great, they want to sound awesome and perform well--they are always looking to improve and evolve, and they want to put on a great show. Despite the fact that if they put out an album barking Christmas carols like dogs and Ed farting in the mic, people on this board would be lap it up, call it "pure genious" and say things like "even Ed farting into a mic is better than most singers on their best day."
Gotta agree with ya!
Last night was not a good performance. Ed sounded like absolute shit and the sound mix was terrible (not blaming the band for the sound).
I believe the last "live" performance I saw from them was the Rock Honors performance which IMO was simply incredible! The band was tight, the sound was good, and Ed did a good job. Compare that to last night and it's like night and day!
Typically PJ always shines live, and last night was a huge exception!
I've brought this up before, but I will say it again (and it pains me to say it)...but Ed's voice is a coin toss anymore. Sometimes it sounds amazing and other times (like last night) it was horrible.
Hmm... I think Ed did have a pretty rough performance, but I agree with most of your post. The MP3 (along with lyrics posted on the board) made me like the song a lot more. I also agree that it wasn't like "Comatose". I think this will be a great album track, but I think Ed's live performances on songs that rock such as this one is fledgling at best these days.
So you'll be skipping the shows this summer then?[/quote]
I'll be attending the 2 Chicago shows. I'm a huge Pearl Jam fan, and having an opinion of Eddie's vocal performance from last night doesn't change that. Don't lie, during the first listen almost all the lyrics were indecipherable. For me, that makes it tough to enjoy the song... it's just my personal preference. After hunting down the lyrics on this board and listening to the song a few more times, I liked the song more but was still disappointed with Eddie's performance. Yes, it could be the bad TV mix everybody is talking about, but Ed has had some trouble hitting the rockers live for a little while.
I saw him solo last year and thought he was amazing, but it didn't feature any songs where he was vocally over-reaching. Listening to Ed these days on songs where he has to reach and strain sound painful... Ed grunting through "Lukin" and struggling to keep up with "World Wide Suicide" is not my favorite Pearl Jam these days. I love the studio versions of those songs, but I don't think he nails them consistently live.
Listened to the MP3, take away what people believe to be eddie struggling to sing the song in the faces he makes. Have these people seen him sing before. He's always making those faces. The sound quality on tv on the live feed was crap, but after listening to the MP3 and re-watching via the link provided at audioperv, my concerns are gone. He's never going to be the singer he was at 25 or 26, but he sounded fine for a song that was a rocker. I loved it. I've heard people say "comatose 2", but I don't really get that. Different song structures entirely. Everyone's got their opinion though. Mine is that it kicked ass. Really looking forward to seeing what else the new album will bring.
Comatose 2 not for any song structure, but because it's a fast-paced song that doesn't allow Ed to sing... he's too busy trying to fit all the words in. There's a trend of him basically talking really fast and throwing in a growl or scream to make it sound like singing. Compare comatose to last exit. In the former, he's basically talking and just emphasizing diff words to make it sound like singing; in the latter, he's really singing.
I think Ed struggled because it is just hte kind of song he struggles on. He never sings Lukin, Evolution or Comatose very well, in my uneducated opinion, because they are too quick for him and he can't quite hit those notes. However, on the records all of those songs sound great. For me, there are two types of Pearl Jam song, those that sound better live and thsoe that Ed just can't quite nail. Maybe this was just the second type.
As for peope suggesting Ed is getting too old. Neal Young, Dylan, etc, are still making great sounding records; saying Ed is too old is like saying he was too young 18 years ago - a load of ****
The difference is they have adapted to accept the changes in their voices. Ed hasn't.
Ed on Into the Wild = as good as he's ever been
Ed last night or on Comatose = very clearly a forced and difficult attempt for him to rage like he used to
I don't expect the man to sound the same as he did at 20. But I do hope he will one day acknowledge that and stop trying to force things and work with his (still excellent) voice as it is.
Were yo all watching America Idol or a rock band last night?
You want perfect, there's Josh Groban and the like.
I'll take a rock band and a rock singer. It's rock, it shouldn't sound perfect and clean live.
No, but a rock singer shouldn't sound like hell either. The lead singer from the Tragically Hip went through this same thing. For a few tours, he sounded like absolute shit... all over the top screaming, terrible voice, couldn't hit notes. But he righted the ship this tour and sounded amazing when I saw them this past weekend. I hope Ed will do the same. He's still got it, he just doesn't seem to know how to use it. Since they're of similar ages, I can't help thinking it might have something to do with vocal changes as they enter middle age and figuring out how to adapt to them.
This might sound like a cop out, but I wouldn't be surprised if Ed was more worried about remembering all the damn lyrics than being technically correct on every note.
I know when I try to sing something and I'm unsure of the words, I don't exactly sound like Pavarotti, either.
I can buy that... I thought he'd forgotten the second line and a few times it looked like he was trying as hard to remember the words as sing them.
i joined this club because i love the band
i'm kind of embarrassed now after reading all of these posts.
it sounds like a bunch of bickering preteens talking about nsync or something
jusin looks fat
well i know his cousin and hes on a green tea diet
well i know the manager's nanny and she says hes been eating big macs everyday
well i've been in the fanclub since i was two and i can tell that he can't hit that note anymore cause...
shut up
this is like a trekkie forum
people just tryin to find the negative in something that excites a lot of others
guess i need a life
i liked the song
got me really excited for the album
be lucky they're still around
The difference is they have adapted to accept the changes in their voices. Ed hasn't.
Ed on Into the Wild = as good as he's ever been
Ed last night or on Comatose = very clearly a forced and difficult attempt for him to rage like he used to
I don't expect the man to sound the same as he did at 20. But I do hope he will one day acknowledge that and stop trying to force things and work with his (still excellent) voice as it is.
I think this is very well put. Ed should learn to play to his strengths. Sometimes it seems he's out of breath, forcing things, and struggling to keep up with the music. During the live performance, why not play the songs you can still perform at a high level?
Were yo all watching America Idol or a rock band last night?
You want perfect, there's Josh Groban and the like.
I'll take a rock band and a rock singer. It's rock, it shouldn't sound perfect and clean live.
No, but a rock singer shouldn't sound like hell either. The lead singer from the Tragically Hip went through this same thing. For a few tours, he sounded like absolute shit... all over the top screaming, terrible voice, couldn't hit notes. But he righted the ship this tour and sounded amazing when I saw them this past weekend. I hope Ed will do the same. He's still got it, he just doesn't seem to know how to use it. Since they're of similar ages, I can't help thinking it might have something to do with vocal changes as they enter middle age and figuring out how to adapt to them.
There you go using that phrase again. Absolute shit.
I don't think you know what absolute shit really sounds like. Really, I don't. Though I'm not going to pretend it was the vocal performance of his life, I've got boots from 15 years ago where Ed sounds worse.
It happens.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
Were yo all watching America Idol or a rock band last night?
You want perfect, there's Josh Groban and the like.
I'll take a rock band and a rock singer. It's rock, it shouldn't sound perfect and clean live.
No, but a rock singer shouldn't sound like hell either. The lead singer from the Tragically Hip went through this same thing. For a few tours, he sounded like absolute shit... all over the top screaming, terrible voice, couldn't hit notes. But he righted the ship this tour and sounded amazing when I saw them this past weekend. I hope Ed will do the same. He's still got it, he just doesn't seem to know how to use it. Since they're of similar ages, I can't help thinking it might have something to do with vocal changes as they enter middle age and figuring out how to adapt to them.
There you go using that phrase again. Absolute shit.
I don't think you know what absolute shit really sounds like. Really, I don't. Though I'm not going to pretend it was the vocal performance of his life, I've got boots from 15 years ago where Ed sounds worse.
It happens.
The absolute shit comment was referring to the Tragically Hip singer, who went through a period where he sounded like he was forcing everything and it was very awkward, just as Ed seems to be struggling with often recently.
I think Love Reign O'er Me or the Real Me at Vh1 Rock Honors The Who or listening to Bonnaroo or Columbia SC. illustrates that Ed definitely still has it. Definitely.
Maybe just not as consistently as he once did. But he does still have it. Last night, unfortunately was not it.
I think Love Reign O'er Me or the Real Me at Vh1 Rock Honors The Who or listening to Bonnaroo or Columbia SC. illustrates that Ed definitely still has it. Definitely.
Maybe just not as consistently as he once did. But he does still have it. Last night, unfortunately was not it.
Coin toss. 50/50 chance of getting good vocals these days...
I wasn't so much the quality of Vedder's voice, as it was the fact the vocals seemed forced, rushed and badly worded or phrased badly.
Vedder still has an outstanding voice (see the Into The Wild soundtrack for evidence). His voice is absolutely beautiful and strong on that album.
Just seems like Vedder's voice isn't cut out for that song. The lyrics also seemd forced, unimspired and generic.
Well it seemed like mostly a punk song to me, I don't know that I really look for strong melodious tones on those tunes. I want to hear him growl and bark his way through those. I didn't mind it. I thought the tone fit the music for that tune.
I thought Ed had some trouble hitting some of the notes last night and then a funny thing happened.
Folks posted the lyrics and I tried to sing Got Some.
OK, I'm not a rock god, but I have decent range and can hit most of the notes in just about any PJ song.
Got Some is not an easy song to sing at all, especially the "need" in the 2nd and 4th repetitions of the
chorus. Try it yourself.
If I ever covered it I'd probably need to step down the tuning.
After listening to it on the internet several times now.........it was okay. He missed a little on the "need it" parts, but nailed most everything else. They just needed to turn up his mic! By the end he was flowing into it more.
Also........this is a fast, continuous song.........not an easy song to sing...
Maybe it's just me but I don't think about a variety of little technical criticisms or how someone looks or the clothes they wear. ? It's about the music and that's why I first found this band.
Agreed about the clothes and weight comments--absolutely retarded. But that is what you get when half your fanbase is middle aged women who read people magazine and spend their time in the "pics where Eddie looks hot" thread.
Ugh. You want a cookie for agreeing with a Mod? Your stereotypical comment is WAAY far off. Have you ever BEEN to a Pearl Jam show? The fanbase is definitely no where near HALF women. You're probably correct that most of the women fanbase is middle aged (heck, most of the Pearl Jam fanbase in general is middle aged), but that's about it. People magazine?! Where did that come from? Yes, along with our 10c memberships, all us women Pearl Jam fans subscribe to People. And then we judge Eddie's looks, because that's what people magazine does to celebrities. Right. Because that's why we like Pearl Jam; because Eddie looks good. Are you off your rocker old man?! (just a saying, don't know your age at all)
If I'm not mistaken, the weight comments came from a male.
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Gotta agree with ya!
Last night was not a good performance. Ed sounded like absolute shit and the sound mix was terrible (not blaming the band for the sound).
I believe the last "live" performance I saw from them was the Rock Honors performance which IMO was simply incredible! The band was tight, the sound was good, and Ed did a good job. Compare that to last night and it's like night and day!
Typically PJ always shines live, and last night was a huge exception!
I've brought this up before, but I will say it again (and it pains me to say it)...but Ed's voice is a coin toss anymore. Sometimes it sounds amazing and other times (like last night) it was horrible.
So you'll be skipping the shows this summer then?[/quote]
I'll be attending the 2 Chicago shows. I'm a huge Pearl Jam fan, and having an opinion of Eddie's vocal performance from last night doesn't change that. Don't lie, during the first listen almost all the lyrics were indecipherable. For me, that makes it tough to enjoy the song... it's just my personal preference. After hunting down the lyrics on this board and listening to the song a few more times, I liked the song more but was still disappointed with Eddie's performance. Yes, it could be the bad TV mix everybody is talking about, but Ed has had some trouble hitting the rockers live for a little while.
I saw him solo last year and thought he was amazing, but it didn't feature any songs where he was vocally over-reaching. Listening to Ed these days on songs where he has to reach and strain sound painful... Ed grunting through "Lukin" and struggling to keep up with "World Wide Suicide" is not my favorite Pearl Jam these days. I love the studio versions of those songs, but I don't think he nails them consistently live.
2000: 8/15, 8/18, 10/9, 10/11, 10/12
2003: 6/18, 6/21, 6/22
2005: 9/9, 9/28
2006: 5/16, 5/17, 6/26, 6/27
2007: 8/5
2009: 8/23, 8/24
2010: 5/3, 5/4, 5/21
2011: 9/3, 9/4, 9/11, 9/12
2013: 7/19, 11/16
2014: 10/3, 10/9, 10/12, 10/17
2016: 4/16, 8/20, 8/22
2018: 8/18, 8/20, 9/2
2022: 9/18
2023: 8/31, 9/2, 9/5
2024: 5/18, 6/29
Comatose 2 not for any song structure, but because it's a fast-paced song that doesn't allow Ed to sing... he's too busy trying to fit all the words in. There's a trend of him basically talking really fast and throwing in a growl or scream to make it sound like singing. Compare comatose to last exit. In the former, he's basically talking and just emphasizing diff words to make it sound like singing; in the latter, he's really singing.
Not a chance in hell. I can think of a dozen bands I'd take over an off night by PJ and a dozen vocalists who can top Ed's off nights with ease.
The difference is they have adapted to accept the changes in their voices. Ed hasn't.
Ed on Into the Wild = as good as he's ever been
Ed last night or on Comatose = very clearly a forced and difficult attempt for him to rage like he used to
I don't expect the man to sound the same as he did at 20. But I do hope he will one day acknowledge that and stop trying to force things and work with his (still excellent) voice as it is.
No, but a rock singer shouldn't sound like hell either. The lead singer from the Tragically Hip went through this same thing. For a few tours, he sounded like absolute shit... all over the top screaming, terrible voice, couldn't hit notes. But he righted the ship this tour and sounded amazing when I saw them this past weekend. I hope Ed will do the same. He's still got it, he just doesn't seem to know how to use it. Since they're of similar ages, I can't help thinking it might have something to do with vocal changes as they enter middle age and figuring out how to adapt to them.
I can buy that... I thought he'd forgotten the second line and a few times it looked like he was trying as hard to remember the words as sing them.
i'm kind of embarrassed now after reading all of these posts.
it sounds like a bunch of bickering preteens talking about nsync or something
jusin looks fat
well i know his cousin and hes on a green tea diet
well i know the manager's nanny and she says hes been eating big macs everyday
well i've been in the fanclub since i was two and i can tell that he can't hit that note anymore cause...
shut up
this is like a trekkie forum
people just tryin to find the negative in something that excites a lot of others
guess i need a life
i liked the song
got me really excited for the album
be lucky they're still around
Vedder still has an outstanding voice (see the Into The Wild soundtrack for evidence). His voice is absolutely beautiful and strong on that album.
Just seems like Vedder's voice isn't cut out for that song. The lyrics also seemd forced, unimspired and generic.
I think this is very well put. Ed should learn to play to his strengths. Sometimes it seems he's out of breath, forcing things, and struggling to keep up with the music. During the live performance, why not play the songs you can still perform at a high level?
2000: 8/15, 8/18, 10/9, 10/11, 10/12
2003: 6/18, 6/21, 6/22
2005: 9/9, 9/28
2006: 5/16, 5/17, 6/26, 6/27
2007: 8/5
2009: 8/23, 8/24
2010: 5/3, 5/4, 5/21
2011: 9/3, 9/4, 9/11, 9/12
2013: 7/19, 11/16
2014: 10/3, 10/9, 10/12, 10/17
2016: 4/16, 8/20, 8/22
2018: 8/18, 8/20, 9/2
2022: 9/18
2023: 8/31, 9/2, 9/5
2024: 5/18, 6/29
There you go using that phrase again. Absolute shit.
I don't think you know what absolute shit really sounds like. Really, I don't. Though I'm not going to pretend it was the vocal performance of his life, I've got boots from 15 years ago where Ed sounds worse.
It happens.
for the least they could possibly do
The absolute shit comment was referring to the Tragically Hip singer, who went through a period where he sounded like he was forcing everything and it was very awkward, just as Ed seems to be struggling with often recently.
Maybe just not as consistently as he once did. But he does still have it. Last night, unfortunately was not it.
Coin toss. 50/50 chance of getting good vocals these days...
Well it seemed like mostly a punk song to me, I don't know that I really look for strong melodious tones on those tunes. I want to hear him growl and bark his way through those. I didn't mind it. I thought the tone fit the music for that tune.
Folks posted the lyrics and I tried to sing Got Some.
OK, I'm not a rock god, but I have decent range and can hit most of the notes in just about any PJ song.
Got Some is not an easy song to sing at all, especially the "need" in the 2nd and 4th repetitions of the
chorus. Try it yourself.
If I ever covered it I'd probably need to step down the tuning.
I'll ride the wave where it takes me...
Also........this is a fast, continuous song.........not an easy song to sing...
Ugh. You want a cookie for agreeing with a Mod? Your stereotypical comment is WAAY far off. Have you ever BEEN to a Pearl Jam show? The fanbase is definitely no where near HALF women. You're probably correct that most of the women fanbase is middle aged (heck, most of the Pearl Jam fanbase in general is middle aged), but that's about it. People magazine?! Where did that come from? Yes, along with our 10c memberships, all us women Pearl Jam fans subscribe to People. And then we judge Eddie's looks, because that's what people magazine does to celebrities. Right. Because that's why we like Pearl Jam; because Eddie looks good. Are you off your rocker old man?! (just a saying, don't know your age at all)
If I'm not mistaken, the weight comments came from a male.
" I hope Ed will do the same. He's still got it, he just doesn't seem to know how to use it"
If this doesnt help you skip past further comments made by this person nothing will