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Don't think Eddie sounded as bad as people think....

mrfrogmanmrfrogman Posts: 31
edited June 2009 in The Porch
Listened to the MP3, take away what people believe to be eddie struggling to sing the song in the faces he makes. Have these people seen him sing before. He's always making those faces. The sound quality on tv on the live feed was crap, but after listening to the MP3 and re-watching via the link provided at audioperv, my concerns are gone. He's never going to be the singer he was at 25 or 26, but he sounded fine for a song that was a rocker. I loved it. I've heard people say "comatose 2", but I don't really get that. Different song structures entirely. Everyone's got their opinion though. Mine is that it kicked ass. Really looking forward to seeing what else the new album will bring.
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  • wnh1977wnh1977 Iowa Posts: 639
    mrfrogman wrote:
    Listened to the MP3, take away what people believe to be eddie struggling to sing the song in the faces he makes. Have these people seen him sing before. He's always making those faces. The sound quality on tv on the live feed was crap, but after listening to the MP3 and re-watching via the link provided at audioperv, my concerns are gone. He's never going to be the singer he was at 25 or 26, but he sounded fine for a song that was a rocker. I loved it. I've heard people say "comatose 2", but I don't really get that. Different song structures entirely. Everyone's got their opinion though. Mine is that it kicked ass. Really looking forward to seeing what else the new album will bring.

    Hmm... I think Ed did have a pretty rough performance, but I agree with most of your post. The MP3 (along with lyrics posted on the board) made me like the song a lot more. I also agree that it wasn't like "Comatose". I think this will be a great album track, but I think Ed's live performances on songs that rock such as this one is fledgling at best these days.
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  • Evacuation RulesEvacuation Rules Posts: 2,162
    mrfrogman wrote:
    Listened to the MP3, take away what people believe to be eddie struggling to sing the song in the faces he makes. Have these people seen him sing before. He's always making those faces. The sound quality on tv on the live feed was crap, but after listening to the MP3 and re-watching via the link provided at audioperv, my concerns are gone. He's never going to be the singer he was at 25 or 26, but he sounded fine for a song that was a rocker. I loved it. I've heard people say "comatose 2", but I don't really get that. Different song structures entirely. Everyone's got their opinion though. Mine is that it kicked ass. Really looking forward to seeing what else the new album will bring.

    I agree totally. Eddie was kind of low in the audio mix and at times totally off-mike, which gave his performance an unkempt feel. People might be mistaking some of that for struggle.
  • Soulfire42Soulfire42 Posts: 404
    Reminds me most of Insignificance... and that is just fine with me. I am so far encouraged by the two new songs I've heard. I'm not saying they are my favorite songs by any means, but I'm so far content.
  • SM10080SM10080 Posts: 239
    wnh1977 wrote:
    mrfrogman wrote:
    Listened to the MP3, take away what people believe to be eddie struggling to sing the song in the faces he makes. Have these people seen him sing before. He's always making those faces. The sound quality on tv on the live feed was crap, but after listening to the MP3 and re-watching via the link provided at audioperv, my concerns are gone. He's never going to be the singer he was at 25 or 26, but he sounded fine for a song that was a rocker. I loved it. I've heard people say "comatose 2", but I don't really get that. Different song structures entirely. Everyone's got their opinion though. Mine is that it kicked ass. Really looking forward to seeing what else the new album will bring.

    Hmm... I think Ed did have a pretty rough performance, but I agree with most of your post. The MP3 (along with lyrics posted on the board) made me like the song a lot more. I also agree that it wasn't like "Comatose". I think this will be a great album track, but I think Ed's live performances on songs that rock such as this one is fledgling at best these days.

    So you'll be skipping the shows this summer then?
  • Surf RiderSurf Rider Posts: 813
    Ed's worst nights singing is still better than everyone else's best.
  • SM10080SM10080 Posts: 239
    Pearl Jam wrote:
    Ed's worst nights singing is still better than everyone else's best.

    Can I get an Amen?
  • daughterofminedaughterofmine Posts: 3
    I am actually astounded to hear a couple of the comments. Sure, voices change with age, but that is part of the band as they continue, well, being a band. Let me just say ... I loved it. Great song. I have not heard anything off the new album at all. I am psyched for it. And PJ fans criticizing Eddie's voice? Rough. To me, what separates PJ from anything else I've heard is something very individual and simple ... and that's this ... I don't choose to like them. I like them because each time they make a record, each time I see them perform on TV, each time I see them live, they win me over. I connect with them and their music. That is what's personal and individual for me. My enjoyment of their music is completely involuntary. I do nothing but hit play and each and every time they bring it for me. If they didn't, I would just simply say it. But they do. And that goes for Eddie's voice too. It's changed. And I like the change. More mature. Raspy, deep, thoughtful, and familiar. And never monotonous. Lastly, let's just say that I don't think I've ever seen them more on point than the shows they did this past summer in 2008. I look forward to the next 20 years of PJ music, Good Lord willing. God Bless.
  • otis mcflusterotis mcfluster Posts: 536
    edited June 2009
    Anyone who thinks that was a solid vocal performance is swiming the PJ kool-aid. Hopefully not a sign of things to come and just a bad night. Those cigarettes may be taking their toll. The sound was horrible (on what is probably a rad song).

    The highlight of the night was when eddie jumped on the drum stage so he didn't look like a midget next to Conan.
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  • not for me?not for me? Posts: 501
    otis mcfluster wrote:
    The highlight of the night was when eddie jumped on the drum stage so he didn't look like a midget next to Conan.
    Ya, that was pretty blatantly obvious :)

    I really liked the song though, and Ed's voice was pretty good, but could have been better in my opinion,
    Nathan
  • TallGuyCMTallGuyCM Posts: 328
    Soulfire42 wrote:
    Reminds me most of Insignificance...

    That's what I was thinking while watching it as well.
  • evolution1_1973evolution1_1973 Posts: 92
    Pearl Jam wrote:
    Ed's worst nights singing is still better than everyone else's best.


    YES, amen to that!!
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  • evolution1_1973evolution1_1973 Posts: 92
    not for me? wrote:
    otis mcfluster wrote:
    The highlight of the night was when eddie jumped on the drum stage so he didn't look like a midget next to Conan.
    Yes, I noticed that too!! I thought that was pretty cute of him!!!

    Ya, that was pretty blatantly obvious :)

    I really liked the song though, and Ed's voice was pretty good, but could have been better in my opinion,
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  • WashmyLUVWashmyLUV Posts: 102
    I think Conan was estatic to have PJ on stage! I must agree, Eddie at his worst is still better than anyone else!!!! Iam am so excited for the new album!!!!!!
  • goldrushgoldrush everybody knows this is nowhere Posts: 7,630
    SM10080 wrote:
    Pearl Jam wrote:
    Ed's worst nights singing is still better than everyone else's best.

    Can I get an Amen?

    :!: Amen(t) to that :!:
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  • nfanelnfanel Posts: 2,558
    Pearl Jam wrote:
    Ed's worst nights singing is still better than everyone else's best.
    good point. :)
  • SH17171SH17171 Posts: 425
    how much of a warm up he had, fold back quality in the studio at the time who knows BUT it still rocked September 22 bring it on.
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  • mca47mca47 Posts: 13,303
    otis mcfluster wrote:
    Anyone who thinks that was a solid vocal performance is swiming the PJ kool-aid. Hopefully not a sign of things to come and just a bad night. Those cigarettes may be taking their toll. The sound was horrible (on what is probably a rad song).

    The highlight of the night was when eddie jumped on the drum stage so he didn't look like a midget next to Conan.

    Agreed. I mentioned that last night and had a number of nasty comments directed my way...

    Anyways, Ed sounded like complete shit and he was struggling the entire way through that 2.5 minute song (or whatever it was).
  • i shit and i stinki shit and i stink Posts: 1,122
    I think Ed struggled because it is just hte kind of song he struggles on. He never sings Lukin, Evolution or Comatose very well, in my uneducated opinion, because they are too quick for him and he can't quite hit those notes. However, on the records all of those songs sound great. For me, there are two types of Pearl Jam song, those that sound better live and thsoe that Ed just can't quite nail. Maybe this was just the second type.

    As for peope suggesting Ed is getting too old. Neal Young, Dylan, etc, are still making great sounding records; saying Ed is too old is like saying he was too young 18 years ago - a load of ****
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  • knowkodesknowkodes Posts: 119
    I thought it was a very typical Eddie performance - perfect! It doesn't matter b/c on these threads people just complain and attack! After thirty PJ shows -cant wait to see them again
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  • Bulldog88Bulldog88 Posts: 380
    mrfrogman wrote:
    Listened to the MP3, take away what people believe to be eddie struggling to sing the song in the faces he makes. Have these people seen him sing before. He's always making those faces. The sound quality on tv on the live feed was crap, but after listening to the MP3 and re-watching via the link provided at audioperv, my concerns are gone. He's never going to be the singer he was at 25 or 26, but he sounded fine for a song that was a rocker. I loved it. I've heard people say "comatose 2", but I don't really get that. Different song structures entirely. Everyone's got their opinion though. Mine is that it kicked ass. Really looking forward to seeing what else the new album will bring.


    Agreed
  • swardsward Posts: 586
    Yeah...I think the voice issues are from the sound in the studio. I've watched the clip a few times at various levels of volume and I think Ed sounds like Ed. Only time I thought for a second there was a voice issue was right in the beginning vocals, but then realized he was down in the mix. After that I thought it was fine.

    Oh..and people reading into the facial ticks as something to do with a problem vocally obviously haven't watched them much over the last 18 years!? That's Vedder! Come on people..stop reading into every.single.nuance.

    Sometimes its frustrating coming on here. Sure some my like the song..some may not..that's part and parcel of having your own opinion...but come on..."He scrunched his face at the 2:10 mark..so it must mean he is suffering from mass cutaneous throat discombulation..."

    Yeesh.
  • SoonForgotten2SoonForgotten2 Posts: 2,245
    I thought Ed's performance was quite 2005 Cornell-ish. Hopefully not a sign of things to come.
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  • Brisk.Brisk. Posts: 11,567
    Yeah couldn't seem to reach the notes and seemed short breathed.
  • OceansMagnetOceansMagnet Posts: 1,033
    I thought Ed's vocal was awesome! Punk Rawk FUCK You! Perfect! Joey Ramone would be proud! Christ, He wasn't exactly singing Black or Nothingman.. Spot On performance IMO.
  • NoOne'sRivalNoOne'sRival Posts: 299
    He sounded like ED! AAAAWWWSOME!
    LOOKS like he quit smoking (slowing metabolsim = weight gain)
    or just living the good life!! :lol:
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  • U R A Crazy BreedU R A Crazy Breed Posts: 8,370
    let's remember these songs are brand new!! when we finally get the world tour to promote the new album they will have perfected these songs and i bet this one will sound a 100 times better by then..

    and yeah when i saw Ed jump up on the drum stand i started laughing...guesss he is a little insecure about his height....don't wet it Ed, you're a giant amongst men!
  • NoOne'sRivalNoOne'sRival Posts: 299
    edited June 2009
    I gotta say I was getting quite down with the whole Target thing...but hearing them last night, this NEW TUNE, pumped me back up again. F it if they want/need/can make MORE moola...as long as they keep pumping out tunes like this one, I'll buy it!
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  • pdalowskypdalowsky Doncaster,UK Posts: 15,094
    I love the fact people have been saying he looked fat.

    Hell if he's fat America has some serious problems.
  • NoOne'sRivalNoOne'sRival Posts: 299
    pdalowsky wrote:
    I love the fact people have been saying he looked fat.

    Hell if he's fat America has some serious problems.

    I never said fat...minor weight gain perhaps...just around the cheeks. Like what happened to me when I quit smoking...never said fat - he's far from fat, and still hot!
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  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    mca47 wrote:
    otis mcfluster wrote:
    Anyone who thinks that was a solid vocal performance is swiming the PJ kool-aid. Hopefully not a sign of things to come and just a bad night. Those cigarettes may be taking their toll. The sound was horrible (on what is probably a rad song).

    The highlight of the night was when eddie jumped on the drum stage so he didn't look like a midget next to Conan.

    Agreed. I mentioned that last night and had a number of nasty comments directed my way...

    Anyways, Ed sounded like complete shit and he was struggling the entire way through that 2.5 minute song (or whatever it was).

    Complete shit? Are you fucking serious?

    I'm starting to get you: You just fucking hate everything. I mean, everything. Now that I understand where you're coming from, it makes it much easier to ignore you.
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