Unfortunately if they want to continue to record and release albums, they are going to have to play the game with someone.
Well... you could always release the album to all stores which would obviously include smaller records stores, etc.
Anyone think maybe Target will have an exclusive package with bonus video/tracks, but not exclusivity to the record itself? They do that all the time now with DVDs and CDs for both movie and music.
I don't think it will be a Target exclusive. Now they may do the bonus track thing like you mentioned.
shit why was the other thread deleted...i had some good points there :(
well let me try to recap
if, IF this is a exclusive deal with target the exclusivity is limited to large national retailers
indy record stores will sell the album
there will be a large charity aspect to the deal
None - two big corporations. Under their umbrella, Sony own and distribute loads of other labels some of them supposedly independent ones (yep.. you heard it right... labels known as independent having stuff to do with a big corporation). So you're thinking you're support a small, independent label but all along you are contributing to the profits of a global corporation.
There is a song by Tool which kinda simplifies the reality of mainstream music...as anti-corporate as you may wanna be...
"All you know about me is what I've sold you,Dumb fuck.I sold out long before you ever heard my name. I sold my soul to make a record, dip shit, and you bought one. All you read and wear or see and hear on TV is a product begging for your fatass dirty dollar, So...Shut up and buy my new record. Send more money, fuck you, buddy."
Totally off topic, but this is a great song! I'm going to have dust off AENIMA today...
There is a song by Tool which kinda simplifies the reality of mainstream music...as anti-corporate as you may wanna be...
"All you know about me is what I've sold you,Dumb fuck.I sold out long before you ever heard my name. I sold my soul to make a record, dip shit, and you bought one. All you read and wear or see and hear on TV is a product begging for your fatass dirty dollar, So...Shut up and buy my new record. Send more money, fuck you, buddy."
Totally off topic, but this is a great song! I'm going to have dust off AENIMA today...
To all the fans who are ready to call Pearl Jam sell-outs, and to a few of my friends whom which I spent the last 17 years rocking out to PJ with (who no longer call themselves fans, nor go to their shows) due to their alleged "sell-out" status, I UNDERSTAND how the idea of a Target partnership would seem to be against what the band stands for...I also UNDERSTAND how $88 face value tickets to see Eddie Vedder seems to be against what the man stands for, BUT look at what has happened to music over the past decade...Pearl Jam has made some TERRIFIC music over their past few albums, yet record sales are significantly dropped, WHY? The fucking Internet! .
My guess is they were down because neither of those albums was very good and people don't care very much about PJ anymore. How much does a new Rolling Stones album sell anymore?
I'll wait to see what the Target deal actually is. But I'm a little excited about it. A great album and great exposure/distribution creates a new generation of PJ fans. I work in a high school and it would be the coolest for many of my student to be excited about PJ. Like it or not, if their interest continues as it has with the last 3 albums their fan base will continue to dwindle. I for one enjoy sold out PJ shows at 18,000 seat venues. The only way for them to continue with that nationwide is to grow new fans. I'm sure the main reason they have avoided the SOUTH was because of a lack of ticket sales. I would love for them to play 4 or 5 shows in a week in Texas and all be strong sellouts. You can get into big box this, green that and slave labor the other. However, the bottom line is these guys want to play sold out shows for the next 10-20 years and they can't do it consistently across the US without a commercially successfull album or two. The old system is dead. They are not selling out, they are surviving. They have been pretty good at surviving to this point, so trust them.
They don't have to have target as sponors or whatever to survive or thrive.. If the rumors are true they have sold out and I will be disappointed but in saying that will never stop loving the band. Times have changed.
did u have a problem with verzion sponsoring the last tour or them being on storytellers. This isn't 95 anymore stop holding onto something that hasn't been there. This band has always wanted to make it big. Its just funny now the sheep has taken off the rose colored glasses. Any of you people ever wonder why they released the 00 and 03 tours, it wads cause of MONEY. Everyband sells out. Hell jeff and stone wanted to make it big with green river in the 80's.
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so NIN and radiohead (similar sized fanbases and popularity) can give away their albums and then charge $50-60 for a ticket to see an entire band?
i understand the point youre trying to make and have never really minded the costs... i wasnt around in the early days when things were cheap so not a whole lot has changed...
It doesn't matter if Pearl Jam isn't selling as much as they'd like to because of the internet, they have made plenty of money, this is just greed. Ian Mackaye from Fugazi has never charged more than 5 to 10 dollars for tickets and has never spoken out against downloading, he also has never allowed his music to be used in commercials, and guess what, he's not starving. I know plenty of bands that are perfectly fine with downloading, and they make A LOT less money than Pearl Jam does. Look at Radiohead, they're about the same level of popularity as Pearl Jam, and they gave their last album away for free. You can be mindless followers of the band and try to make excuses all you want, but no matter how you slice it, this is fucking G R E E D.
"If my thoughts, dreams, could be seen, they'd probably put my head, in a guillotine, but it's alright ma, it's life and life only."
It doesn't matter if Pearl Jam isn't selling as much as they'd like to because of the internet, they have made plenty of money, this is just greed. Ian Mackaye from Fugazi has never charged more than 5 to 10 dollars for tickets and has never spoken out against downloading, he also has never allowed his music to be used in commercials, and guess what, he's not starving. I know plenty of bands that are perfectly fine with downloading, and they make A LOT less money than Pearl Jam does. Look at Radiohead, they're about the same level of popularity as Pearl Jam, and they gave their last album away for free. You can be mindless followers of the band and try to make excuses all you want, but no matter how you slice it, this is fucking G R E E D.
It's not GREED, it is wanting to do what they do best which is make great music and tour. No matter how much money they have, my assumption is that as a musician you want as many people as possible to hear and enjoy your music and come to your shows. I can imagine that there are few feelings like 18,000 people in tune with you and your band. It took a long time to see my first PJ show and it was like a religious experience when it finally happened. There was such energy and connection between the band and the audience. That is addictive as a fan and has to be addictive as a member of the band. I think they want to keep doing that for a long time to come.
It doesn't matter if Pearl Jam isn't selling as much as they'd like to because of the internet, they have made plenty of money, this is just greed. Ian Mackaye from Fugazi has never charged more than 5 to 10 dollars for tickets and has never spoken out against downloading, he also has never allowed his music to be used in commercials, and guess what, he's not starving. I know plenty of bands that are perfectly fine with downloading, and they make A LOT less money than Pearl Jam does. Look at Radiohead, they're about the same level of popularity as Pearl Jam, and they gave their last album away for free. You can be mindless followers of the band and try to make excuses all you want, but no matter how you slice it, this is fucking G R E E D.
Ian MacKaye has also never been in a band as remotely popular as Pearl Jam and has never had to deal with the music industry on that level. He's a great example of DIY, but it becomes a little harder to be DIY the more popular you get. He also runs a record label which makes his income.
Radiohead sold their album for "whatever you can afford", then they sold it as an $80 box set.
Whether Pearl Jam sells their record exclusively through Target or exlusively on the moon, they're going to make money.
What bothers me is "they have made plenty of money."
Would it be cool if your boss told you, "you know...you've made plenty of money...we're going to stop paying you."?
It doesn't matter if Pearl Jam isn't selling as much as they'd like to because of the internet, they have made plenty of money, this is just greed. Ian Mackaye from Fugazi has never charged more than 5 to 10 dollars for tickets and has never spoken out against downloading, he also has never allowed his music to be used in commercials, and guess what, he's not starving. I know plenty of bands that are perfectly fine with downloading, and they make A LOT less money than Pearl Jam does. Look at Radiohead, they're about the same level of popularity as Pearl Jam, and they gave their last album away for free. You can be mindless followers of the band and try to make excuses all you want, but no matter how you slice it, this is fucking G R E E D.
It's not GREED, it is wanting to do what they do best which is make great music and tour. No matter how much money they have, my assumption is that as a musician you want as many people as possible to hear and enjoy your music and come to your shows. I can imagine that there are few feelings like 18,000 people in tune with you and your band. It took a long time to see my first PJ show and it was like a religious experience when it finally happened. There was such energy and connection between the band and the audience. That is addictive as a fan and has to be addictive as a member of the band. I think they want to keep doing that for a long time to come.
Well yes it is greed, this is not a music related decision, it's a business decision, and a greedy one, and my goal as a musician is to make good music that you're proud of, and if a lot of people like it great, but if it only appeals to a small amount of people, fine that's alright to. I'm sure the main intention of this goal is money, you'd be crazy to suggest anything else. The Verizon thing, all the guitar hero and rock band shit, I've been sour about all of this, it seems like Pearl Jam is doing everything they can to tear down the reputation they've built up.
It doesn't matter if Pearl Jam isn't selling as much as they'd like to because of the internet, they have made plenty of money, this is just greed. Ian Mackaye from Fugazi has never charged more than 5 to 10 dollars for tickets and has never spoken out against downloading, he also has never allowed his music to be used in commercials, and guess what, he's not starving. I know plenty of bands that are perfectly fine with downloading, and they make A LOT less money than Pearl Jam does. Look at Radiohead, they're about the same level of popularity as Pearl Jam, and they gave their last album away for free. You can be mindless followers of the band and try to make excuses all you want, but no matter how you slice it, this is fucking G R E E D.
Ian MacKaye has also never been in a band as remotely popular as Pearl Jam and has never had to deal with the music industry on that level. He's a great example of DIY, but it becomes a little harder to be DIY the more popular you get. He also runs a record label which makes his income.
Radiohead sold their album for "whatever you can afford", then they sold it as an $80 box set.
Whether Pearl Jam sells their record exclusively through Target or exlusively on the moon, they're going to make money.
What bothers me is "they have made plenty of money."
Would it be cool if your boss told you, "you know...you've made plenty of money...we're going to stop paying you."?
Even Ian MacKaye sells his music for real money.
I know Ian has never been in a band as popular as Pearl Jam, but Pearl Jam still doesn't need to be selling their tickets for 80 dollars, I have no idea how much it costs to put on arena tours, but I'm guessing they could still make a pretty big profit charging maybe 30 or 40 a ticket. I'm pretty sure Radiohead also offered a free download, and if they didn't, the entire band has supported downloading and the 80 dollar box set was pretty elaborate so I'd say the price was about right (much more reasonable than a 300 dollar box set of an old album). And if I loved my job (which I'm sure they do), and I had already made enough money to live luxuriously for the rest of my life, and the company that payed my salary was suffering (which a lot of people in America are right now), sure I'd do my job for free, or at least take a pay cut.
"If my thoughts, dreams, could be seen, they'd probably put my head, in a guillotine, but it's alright ma, it's life and life only."
It's funny how people are already jumping to all these conclusions and calling the band "sellouts" yet we have no idea or announcment by either Target or Pearl Jam as to what this is all about.
Let's wait unitl we get 100% confirmation about Pearl Jam and Target before we bring our guns to town ...Okay?
after reading most of this thread...i have to say that this is the statement that i agree with the most. some great points were made all around, but it seems like everyone needs to RELAX a bit. maybe we'll get more info tomorrow.
did you ever think that maybe they're doing a deluxe edition for Target? and that maybe the videos were a "bonus dvd" when you buy the record? that's kind of how i took it. in any case, i'm not going to get bent out of shape over this "news/rumor".
It doesn't matter if Pearl Jam isn't selling as much as they'd like to because of the internet, they have made plenty of money, this is just greed. Ian Mackaye from Fugazi has never charged more than 5 to 10 dollars for tickets and has never spoken out against downloading, he also has never allowed his music to be used in commercials, and guess what, he's not starving. I know plenty of bands that are perfectly fine with downloading, and they make A LOT less money than Pearl Jam does. Look at Radiohead, they're about the same level of popularity as Pearl Jam, and they gave their last album away for free. You can be mindless followers of the band and try to make excuses all you want, but no matter how you slice it, this is fucking G R E E D.
It's not GREED, it is wanting to do what they do best which is make great music and tour. No matter how much money they have, my assumption is that as a musician you want as many people as possible to hear and enjoy your music and come to your shows. I can imagine that there are few feelings like 18,000 people in tune with you and your band. It took a long time to see my first PJ show and it was like a religious experience when it finally happened. There was such energy and connection between the band and the audience. That is addictive as a fan and has to be addictive as a member of the band. I think they want to keep doing that for a long time to come.
Well yes it is greed, this is not a music related decision, it's a business decision, and a greedy one, and my goal as a musician is to make good music that you're proud of, and if a lot of people like it great, but if it only appeals to a small amount of people, fine that's alright to. I'm sure the main intention of this goal is money, you'd be crazy to suggest anything else. The Verizon thing, all the guitar hero and rock band shit, I've been sour about all of this, it seems like Pearl Jam is doing everything they can to tear down the reputation they've built up.
It doesn't matter if Pearl Jam isn't selling as much as they'd like to because of the internet, they have made plenty of money, this is just greed. Ian Mackaye from Fugazi has never charged more than 5 to 10 dollars for tickets and has never spoken out against downloading, he also has never allowed his music to be used in commercials, and guess what, he's not starving. I know plenty of bands that are perfectly fine with downloading, and they make A LOT less money than Pearl Jam does. Look at Radiohead, they're about the same level of popularity as Pearl Jam, and they gave their last album away for free. You can be mindless followers of the band and try to make excuses all you want, but no matter how you slice it, this is fucking G R E E D.
Ian MacKaye has also never been in a band as remotely popular as Pearl Jam and has never had to deal with the music industry on that level. He's a great example of DIY, but it becomes a little harder to be DIY the more popular you get. He also runs a record label which makes his income.
Radiohead sold their album for "whatever you can afford", then they sold it as an $80 box set.
Whether Pearl Jam sells their record exclusively through Target or exlusively on the moon, they're going to make money.
What bothers me is "they have made plenty of money."
Would it be cool if your boss told you, "you know...you've made plenty of money...we're going to stop paying you."?
Even Ian MacKaye sells his music for real money.
I know Ian has never been in a band as popular as Pearl Jam, but Pearl Jam still doesn't need to be selling their tickets for 80 dollars, I have no idea how much it costs to put on arena tours, but I'm guessing they could still make a pretty big profit charging maybe 30 or 40 a ticket. I'm pretty sure Radiohead also offered a free download, and if they didn't, the entire band has supported downloading and the 80 dollar box set was pretty elaborate so I'd say the price was about right (much more reasonable than a 300 dollar box set of an old album). And if I loved my job (which I'm sure they do), and I had already made enough money to live luxuriously for the rest of my life, and the company that payed my salary was suffering (which a lot of people in America are right now), sure I'd do my job for free, or at least take a pay cut.
This is the biggest load of bullshit I've read all day.
A question, though. If they had sold it through all stores (Best Buy, Target, mom & pop, etc)...they wouldn't be greedy? But selling it through Target only is greedy?
This is the biggest load of bullshit I've read all day.
A question, though. If they had sold it through all stores (Best Buy, Target, mom & pop, etc)...they wouldn't be greedy? But selling it through Target only is greedy?
Obviously they wouldn't be doing a Target exclusive deal because they're lazy, I'm sure they would be getting a ton of money from the deal, and if Target exclusive, that takes a lot of money from independent record stores, so for a band that has said they support record stores, to screw record stores out of money so they could get millions from Target, yes that would be greed. If they're selling it everywhere it would just be selling an album.
"If my thoughts, dreams, could be seen, they'd probably put my head, in a guillotine, but it's alright ma, it's life and life only."
This is the biggest load of bullshit I've read all day.
A question, though. If they had sold it through all stores (Best Buy, Target, mom & pop, etc)...they wouldn't be greedy? But selling it through Target only is greedy?
Obviously they wouldn't be doing a Target exclusive deal because they're lazy, I'm sure they would be getting a ton of money from the deal, and if Target exclusive, that takes a lot of money from independent record stores, so for a band that has said they support record stores, to screw record stores out of money so they could get millions from Target, yes that would be greed. If they're selling it everywhere it would just be selling an album.
But how much different would their income be?
If I sell X amount exclusively through Target I get $x dollars.
If I sell the same amount, but through everyone, don't I make the same money or close to it?
They may be getting the money up front, but if its the same amount...what difference does it make?
There was a thread on this board a few days ago about PJ doing stadium tours and the resounding majority said it was a bad idea and if they did it, they wouldn't sell them out. If they can't sell out a 40-60,000 seat stadium, you think they are going to sell more than 100,000 albums? Target (if true) would give PJ a certain amount of front money guaranteed so even if it was a loss, PJ would come out on top. I personally don't care one way or another as I will be buying it through 10C. All of you who thinks they're sellouts should put you're money where you're mouth is and stop supporting the band.
But you won't. All of you will be back year after year with you're $20-$25 renewal fee for the fan club. And in this case as well, PJ will come out on top.
This is the biggest load of bullshit I've read all day.
A question, though. If they had sold it through all stores (Best Buy, Target, mom & pop, etc)...they wouldn't be greedy? But selling it through Target only is greedy?
Obviously they wouldn't be doing a Target exclusive deal because they're lazy, I'm sure they would be getting a ton of money from the deal, and if Target exclusive, that takes a lot of money from independent record stores, so for a band that has said they support record stores, to screw record stores out of money so they could get millions from Target, yes that would be greed. If they're selling it everywhere it would just be selling an album.
But how much different would their income be?
If I sell X amount exclusively through Target I get $x dollars.
If I sell the same amount, but through everyone, don't I make the same money or close to it?
They may be getting the money up front, but if its the same amount...what difference does it make?
I think selling the album exclusively through Target won't change the amount of people that will buy the record, all the people that would buy a Pearl Jam record are going to buy it, they're just going to get it at Target, so you get the money from making the deal with Target, then you get all the money you get when you make a record. They wouldn't do it if they weren't making more money.
"If my thoughts, dreams, could be seen, they'd probably put my head, in a guillotine, but it's alright ma, it's life and life only."
I think selling the album exclusively through Target won't change the amount of people that will buy the record, all the people that would buy a Pearl Jam record are going to buy it, they're just going to get it at Target, so you get the money from making the deal with Target, then you get all the money you get when you make a record. They wouldn't do it if they weren't making more money.
Exactly. PJ probably gets a nice up-front guarantee from the deal, but other than that probably not all that much changes for the band. We here don't really care. Because we can still buy it from 10C. But the people it'll probably hurt are maybe the casual fans. Those who might've heard a song on the radio or something and then tried to go to their local record store only to find the new album isn't there. The deal is unfriendly to consumers, and the only ones who really benefit from it is Target. Big box retailers are always looking for an excuse to get people to come through the door in the hopes they'll pick up something else while they're there.
I blame Brendan O for all of this. He worked on AC/DC's last album (which was done as an exclusive through wal-mart).
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There are bigger things to worry about than if Pearl Jam is selling their record at target. :roll:
Like is the album going to be good and are they going to do a world tour for it??
I was watching this interview with some musician, don't remember the name, and the guy said something like "Yeah, the record is exclusive through Wal-Mart because apparently that's how you're supposed to do things these days." And I thought to myself, wow this guy is just really nonchalant about this and he didn't come off as a greedy bastard at all... I additionally thought to myself wow if Pearl Jam did something like this, we'd all throw a fucking conniption... and here we are.
Big box retailers are always looking for an excuse to get people to come through the door in the hopes they'll pick up something else while they're there.
have you ever gone into target and not left with more than you went in for??
theyre definitely onto something!
if they had to do something this lame im glad they atleast chose my favorite "evil corporation"
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I don't think it will be a Target exclusive. Now they may do the bonus track thing like you mentioned.
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well let me try to recap
if, IF this is a exclusive deal with target the exclusivity is limited to large national retailers
indy record stores will sell the album
there will be a large charity aspect to the deal
None - two big corporations. Under their umbrella, Sony own and distribute loads of other labels some of them supposedly independent ones (yep.. you heard it right... labels known as independent having stuff to do with a big corporation). So you're thinking you're support a small, independent label but all along you are contributing to the profits of a global corporation.
Seems this thread belongs on the Moving Train....
My guess is they were down because neither of those albums was very good and people don't care very much about PJ anymore. How much does a new Rolling Stones album sell anymore?
and ill order a hard copy from 10c
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i understand the point youre trying to make and have never really minded the costs... i wasnt around in the early days when things were cheap so not a whole lot has changed...
just wanted to play devils advocate :twisted:
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It's not GREED, it is wanting to do what they do best which is make great music and tour. No matter how much money they have, my assumption is that as a musician you want as many people as possible to hear and enjoy your music and come to your shows. I can imagine that there are few feelings like 18,000 people in tune with you and your band. It took a long time to see my first PJ show and it was like a religious experience when it finally happened. There was such energy and connection between the band and the audience. That is addictive as a fan and has to be addictive as a member of the band. I think they want to keep doing that for a long time to come.
Ian MacKaye has also never been in a band as remotely popular as Pearl Jam and has never had to deal with the music industry on that level. He's a great example of DIY, but it becomes a little harder to be DIY the more popular you get. He also runs a record label which makes his income.
Radiohead sold their album for "whatever you can afford", then they sold it as an $80 box set.
Whether Pearl Jam sells their record exclusively through Target or exlusively on the moon, they're going to make money.
What bothers me is "they have made plenty of money."
Would it be cool if your boss told you, "you know...you've made plenty of money...we're going to stop paying you."?
Even Ian MacKaye sells his music for real money.
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Well yes it is greed, this is not a music related decision, it's a business decision, and a greedy one, and my goal as a musician is to make good music that you're proud of, and if a lot of people like it great, but if it only appeals to a small amount of people, fine that's alright to. I'm sure the main intention of this goal is money, you'd be crazy to suggest anything else. The Verizon thing, all the guitar hero and rock band shit, I've been sour about all of this, it seems like Pearl Jam is doing everything they can to tear down the reputation they've built up.
I know Ian has never been in a band as popular as Pearl Jam, but Pearl Jam still doesn't need to be selling their tickets for 80 dollars, I have no idea how much it costs to put on arena tours, but I'm guessing they could still make a pretty big profit charging maybe 30 or 40 a ticket. I'm pretty sure Radiohead also offered a free download, and if they didn't, the entire band has supported downloading and the 80 dollar box set was pretty elaborate so I'd say the price was about right (much more reasonable than a 300 dollar box set of an old album). And if I loved my job (which I'm sure they do), and I had already made enough money to live luxuriously for the rest of my life, and the company that payed my salary was suffering (which a lot of people in America are right now), sure I'd do my job for free, or at least take a pay cut.
after reading most of this thread...i have to say that this is the statement that i agree with the most. some great points were made all around, but it seems like everyone needs to RELAX a bit. maybe we'll get more info tomorrow.
did you ever think that maybe they're doing a deluxe edition for Target? and that maybe the videos were a "bonus dvd" when you buy the record? that's kind of how i took it. in any case, i'm not going to get bent out of shape over this "news/rumor".
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This is the biggest load of bullshit I've read all day.
A question, though. If they had sold it through all stores (Best Buy, Target, mom & pop, etc)...they wouldn't be greedy? But selling it through Target only is greedy?
Obviously they wouldn't be doing a Target exclusive deal because they're lazy, I'm sure they would be getting a ton of money from the deal, and if Target exclusive, that takes a lot of money from independent record stores, so for a band that has said they support record stores, to screw record stores out of money so they could get millions from Target, yes that would be greed. If they're selling it everywhere it would just be selling an album.
But how much different would their income be?
If I sell X amount exclusively through Target I get $x dollars.
If I sell the same amount, but through everyone, don't I make the same money or close to it?
They may be getting the money up front, but if its the same amount...what difference does it make?
But you won't. All of you will be back year after year with you're $20-$25 renewal fee for the fan club. And in this case as well, PJ will come out on top.
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I think selling the album exclusively through Target won't change the amount of people that will buy the record, all the people that would buy a Pearl Jam record are going to buy it, they're just going to get it at Target, so you get the money from making the deal with Target, then you get all the money you get when you make a record. They wouldn't do it if they weren't making more money.
All pretty important questions.
But all this is speculation. A rumour that has not been confirmed......
Exactly. PJ probably gets a nice up-front guarantee from the deal, but other than that probably not all that much changes for the band. We here don't really care. Because we can still buy it from 10C. But the people it'll probably hurt are maybe the casual fans. Those who might've heard a song on the radio or something and then tried to go to their local record store only to find the new album isn't there. The deal is unfriendly to consumers, and the only ones who really benefit from it is Target. Big box retailers are always looking for an excuse to get people to come through the door in the hopes they'll pick up something else while they're there.
I blame Brendan O for all of this. He worked on AC/DC's last album (which was done as an exclusive through wal-mart).
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my point exactly.
Best point I've read in this entire thread.
But I just saw NIN a week and a half ago and my ticket was $100.
Both bands also sold special editions of their albums...I think NIN's was something like $300, which pulled in about $750,000 in two days.
The current Nine Inch Nails tour also has Jane's Addiction, they're both co head lining
Like is the album going to be good and are they going to do a world tour for it??
I was watching this interview with some musician, don't remember the name, and the guy said something like "Yeah, the record is exclusive through Wal-Mart because apparently that's how you're supposed to do things these days." And I thought to myself, wow this guy is just really nonchalant about this and he didn't come off as a greedy bastard at all... I additionally thought to myself wow if Pearl Jam did something like this, we'd all throw a fucking conniption... and here we are.
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2006
theyre definitely onto something!
if they had to do something this lame im glad they atleast chose my favorite "evil corporation"
http://seanbriceart.com/