like in somalia , after US forces killed 30,000 people, according to conventional wisdom, they finally got their hand on one of our pilots. they treated him with respect and gave him medical treatment for his wounds and released him.
they're human beings. even if they are hardline militants.
when dancing in the streets after a person(s) is murdered.................they are no longer human beings and it speaks volumes for their culture.
Then I guess we could say the same for SOME of our American troops...This is from Joshua Key "I broke the rules by having a Conscience" more in the book Mission Rejected by Peter Laufer.
JOSHUA KEY: There was one incident in Ramadi, my second time there, which I was on a QRF mission. It was like a SWAT team for the military for some instance. We were on call for a twenty-four-hour timeframe. We got the call late at night, early in the morning. It was—we were going on the banks of the Euphrates River. We took a sharp right turn, and on the left-hand side I see four decapitated Iraqi bodies. When we parked our armored personnel carrier, I was told to get out and find evidence of a firefight or such, if happened.
There was this American soldier on the right with American soldiers around him, and he was saying they had lost it there. On the left-hand side, there was American soldiers kicking one of the heads around like a soccer ball. So at that time, I got back inside my APC.
The next day, I asked if I could see a written statement or if I could put my—for what I had seen at that location, and I was told it was none of my concern, none of my business. So, that’s when I started questioning things.
He kept looking for signs of a firefight, shells anything and found nothing. This was early in the invasion and these are some of the things our troops have done however he decided he wanted no part of this and rightfully so.
Is our culture far too different from these so called murders? If I saw something like this happening to my people I would become an insurgent or freedom fighter too.
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Let's not forget that these are ALLEGED terrorists. Granted, KSM made it very clear that he was proud of what he was able to accomplish. Now, this is the United States of America. Innocent until proven guilty. If we are going to be the shining city on the hill that Ronnie kept talking about, we have to live up to that standard. We don't torture. While these men were captured in the field of battle, in the United States we give them due process. That doesn't mean that we're "concerned more about the legal rights of terrorists than our own citizens"...it means that we have a moral standing in the world that we have to keep. When we lower our moral standard (torture, Gitmo, Iraq War, blind support for Israel), that's when people get pissed and want to do harm to us.
Of course if one of us were caught in the tribal regions of Pakistan or Afghanistan they would line up like the Ewoks did to C3PO, right? Hardly. Somehow I'm guessing we would be headline news on Al-Jazeera with the beginning of the footage showing some guy in a mask with a big knife and the ending of said footage with your head held high in the air. Dumping water on someone or making people form pyramids in their underwear did not cause that to happen.
like in somalia , after US forces killed 30,000 people, according to conventional wisdom, they finally got their hand on one of our pilots. they treated him with respect and gave him medical treatment for his wounds and released him.
they're human beings. even if they are hardline militants.
holy shit...even when they cut someones head off and record it on video there are still people that will make america sound bad...WTF?
Nothing smart ass about it. America like the rest of the world jumped as one with a " Yeah! Lets get them fuckers!!!" When Bush announced he was invading Afganistan. Thats the way things work. They cheer when they kill westerners, we cheer when we kill taliban and their bretheren. If you don't want to see that we are one the same when it comes to that because "Your nothing like them" then good luck with that.
My punk ass won't be going anywhere. Kinda like it around here.
so what makes you so sure of that? and what should we have done when we got attacked Nothing ? what about when Clinton fired missiles into Afghanistan what were your thoughts on that. or better yet Obama is the current president and he's got drones droppin bombs on villages and I haven't heard word out of some of you. your hypocrisy is bull shit
Your miising the point. You go on about Afganis or Iraqis celebrating the death of a soldier and call it dispicable and can't understand why, when we as a people do the same when we kill a bunch of their militants.
If you want my point of view on the current situation all you had to do was ask. I'm all for chasing down the Taliban and elimianting them but that didn't happen under Bush. He sent a tolken force to Afganistan and took the rest and invaded Iraq which had no Al-Qaeda or Taliban presence there before the invasion. Now Obama wants to push on in Afganistan and scale down the forces in Iraq. I would prefer he withdrew all forces from a Iraq but at least its a step in right direction. As as far as his plans for Afganistan goes I hope he wins the war there. How he does that I don't know. I'm not privy to all the goings on there and what would be the best strategy. I do know is that in the Australian area of operation the Orgunz province they have seen the violence reduced to its lowest level in many years. Maybe he should take a leaf out their book!
your shooting blanks pal.when has us soldiers ever celebrated and danced in the streets for killing somebody
man fucking blood is going too shoot out of my eye balls if we have to go down this road again. Only 3 detainees were water boarded and they were KSM who was one of the master minds of 911 and yeah he was WB like 185 times but so the fuck what he was responsible for the deaths of 3000 people :x and not only did he admit to doing so he was proud of what he and his shit bags did :x
man fucking blood is going too shoot out of my eye balls if we have to go down this road again. Only 3 detainees were water boarded and they were KSM who was one of the master minds of 911 and yeah he was WB like 185 times but so the fuck what he was responsible for the deaths of 3000 people :x and not only did he admit to doing so he was proud of what he and his shit bags did :x
fucking right on pal!!!
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america, fuck yeah!!!!
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
man fucking blood is going too shoot out of my eye balls if we have to go down this road again. Only 3 detainees were water boarded and they were KSM who was one of the master minds of 911 and yeah he was WB like 185 times but so the fuck what he was responsible for the deaths of 3000 people :x and not only did he admit to doing so he was proud of what he and his shit bags did :x
so what makes you so sure of that? and what should we have done when we got attacked Nothing ? what about when Clinton fired missiles into Afghanistan what were your thoughts on that. or better yet Obama is the current president and he's got drones droppin bombs on villages and I haven't heard word out of some of you. your hypocrisy is bull shit
Your miising the point. You go on about Afganis or Iraqis celebrating the death of a soldier and call it dispicable and can't understand why, when we as a people do the same when we kill a bunch of their militants.
If you want my point of view on the current situation all you had to do was ask. I'm all for chasing down the Taliban and elimianting them but that didn't happen under Bush. He sent a tolken force to Afganistan and took the rest and invaded Iraq which had no Al-Qaeda or Taliban presence there before the invasion. Now Obama wants to push on in Afganistan and scale down the forces in Iraq. I would prefer he withdrew all forces from a Iraq but at least its a step in right direction. As as far as his plans for Afganistan goes I hope he wins the war there. How he does that I don't know. I'm not privy to all the goings on there and what would be the best strategy. I do know is that in the Australian area of operation the Orgunz province they have seen the violence reduced to its lowest level in many years. Maybe he should take a leaf out their book!
your shooting blanks pal.when has us soldiers ever celebrated and danced in the streets for killing somebody
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
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when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
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so what makes you so sure of that? and what should we have done when we got attacked Nothing ? what about when Clinton fired missiles into Afghanistan what were your thoughts on that. or better yet Obama is the current president and he's got drones droppin bombs on villages and I haven't heard word out of some of you. your hypocrisy is bull shit
your shooting blanks pal.when has us soldiers ever celebrated and danced in the streets for killing somebody
Are we surprised by that video, there's video out there we dropped a huge bomb on a crowd of 50 Iraqi citizens. Reason being that they were running in a group, blew them to bits and the US F16 bomber's reaction, *Oh Dude* laughing. It's best NOT to get into these wars cause war changes people and war IS HELL.
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
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He kept looking for signs of a firefight, shells anything and found nothing. This was early in the invasion and these are some of the things our troops have done however he decided he wanted no part of this and rightfully so.
Is our culture far too different from these so called murders? If I saw something like this happening to my people I would become an insurgent or freedom fighter too.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
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holy shit...even when they cut someones head off and record it on video there are still people that will make america sound bad...WTF?
your shooting blanks pal.when has us soldiers ever celebrated and danced in the streets for killing somebody
fucking right on pal!!!
america, fuck yeah!!!!
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Gonna save the motherfucking day yeah!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocOsc47FeBQ
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
Are we surprised by that video, there's video out there we dropped a huge bomb on a crowd of 50 Iraqi citizens. Reason being that they were running in a group, blew them to bits and the US F16 bomber's reaction, *Oh Dude* laughing. It's best NOT to get into these wars cause war changes people and war IS HELL.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)