Radio host waterboarded live on air

NoKNoK Posts: 824
edited September 2009 in A Moving Train
Sorry if this has been posted before but I was just reading it on the news over here in Australia so might be old news for you guys.. Have you seen this?

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/817187 ... ive-on-air

A conservative US radio host has allowed himself to be "waterboarded" live on air in a bid to prove to the controversial practice is not torture.

But the stunt backfired when Erich "Mancow" Muller lasted just six seconds of the treatment before raising the alarm and conceding it was indeed torture.

"It is way worse than I thought it would be," the Chicago radio man told his listeners on station WLS.

"I thought I could hold out 30 seconds … it was instantaneous.

"I don't want to say this, I do not wish to say this — absolutely torture."

Video footage of the experiment shows Muller lying on a table and a man placing a towel over the upper part of his face.

The man then blocks his nose and pours a jug of water over his face.

Muller lasts a few seconds before throwing the toy cow he was holding as an emergency signal.

The radio man said the experience felt exactly like he was drowning.

"When I was a kid I drowned," Muller said.

"My brother pulled me out of this pool I fell in and I had to be revived.

"I remember the feeling and it's the feeling of drowning."

"I wouldn't have done this if I had known it was going to be this bad."
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  • Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 6,056
    That doesn't prove anything! He's just reliving childhood horrors, it's not really that bad :roll:

    When I saw this thread headline, I was thinking some kind of protest, and was ready to praise some radical dj...

    But since this guy is stupid enough to support it (or downplay the brutality of it anyway), maybe he should have had the balls to volunteer to be tied while doing it, and told them not to stop for the full 30 seconds? wonder what that would have looked like? at least he was forced to concede that he was wrong. what a loser.
  • NoKNoK Posts: 824
    at least he was forced to concede that he was wrong. what a loser.

    This is what makes it so good.. now perhaps we should waterboard everyone who doesn't think its torture and see if they change their mind
  • WaveCameCrashinWaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    I dont get it :? when it comes to protecting the rights of a terrorist, a person that would kill you and your family and not think twice about doing so you want to give these scumbags every right that every other american has,but when it comes down to the right of an unborn child (late term abortion ) s
    screw em what rights. Now that's torture. :x
  • WaveCameCrashinWaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    water boarding. :roll: Give me a fuckin break I've been held down for longer than 45 sec surfing waves down in puerto Escondido and central America. you guys are a bunch of pussies. Sign me up
  • keeponrockinkeeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    prfctlefts wrote:
    I dont get it :? when it comes to protecting the rights of a terrorist, a person that would kill you and your family and not think twice about doing so you want to give these scumbags every right that every other american has,but when it comes down to the right of an unborn child (late term abortion ) s
    screw em what rights. Now that's torture. :x
    Two seperate issues.

    The problem is with waterboarding is it goes against everything America stands for. If the terrorists force us to abandon Freedom and Justice, then what do we really have as America? Who the hell are we to say other nations are doing bad by torturing.
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  • Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 6,056
    NoK wrote:
    at least he was forced to concede that he was wrong. what a loser.

    This is what makes it so good.. now perhaps we should waterboard everyone who doesn't think its torture and see if they change their mind
    Looks like we have a volunteer :roll: Anyone live near prftclefts? Just to be fair....we should start a pool and make it more fun. $1000 says he can't last 45 seconds. And I'll make a side bet - he still won't change his mind.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    the guy nearly drowned as a kid. of course he is going to have that reaction. what an idiot.
  • Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 6,056
    jlew24asu wrote:
    the guy nearly drowned as a kid. of course he is going to have that reaction. what an idiot.
    :lol:
    I already said that....sarcastically. do you think you'd react differently? Do we have another volunteer?
  • TriumphantAngelTriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    prfctlefts wrote:
    water boarding. :roll: Give me a fuckin break I've been held down for longer than 45 sec surfing waves down in puerto Escondido and central America. you guys are a bunch of pussies. Sign me up
    How it feels to be waterboarded is not really my fake area of expertise today, but i wouldn't imagine it would be terribly pleasant.

    Could you please at least youtube your attempt for me. I'd love to see it. Should be easy enough to do. Just get one of your buddies to video it, post it up and share.

    Mmmm k.

    Thanks.

    :mrgreen:
  • Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 6,056
    edited May 2009
    Lets make waterboard gambling a backyard/youtube sensation. Now THAT'S entertainment.

    edit: didn't see the link above before I posted :lol:....don't know if I want to watch this, but it's playin now :shock: :(

    edit 2- that about summed it up. imagine that happening to you if you didn't know the answers to the questions being asked....
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  • JaneNYJaneNY Posts: 4,438
    I watched this footage yesterday on Olbermann. What is striking about watching it, is how TAME it looks - when you think of torture, you think of pointy things, red hot brands, the rack, medieval stuff. This is just someone lying down (or being held down) with a wet cloth put on his face and water being poured. I think that is why its easy for people to blow it off and say they don't think its a big deal, unfortunately, if they haven't experienced it. Doesn't make it any less bad, but because the person isn't able to vocalize and you don't see a reaction of pain, there are people who won't be very empathetic unfortunately.
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  • AnonAnon Posts: 11,175
    Haha Mancow Muller? Everyone in Chicago knows he is an idiot.
  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    JaneNY wrote:
    I watched this footage yesterday on Olbermann. What is striking about watching it, is how TAME it looks - when you think of torture, you think of pointy things, red hot brands, the rack, medieval stuff. This is just someone lying down (or being held down) with a wet cloth put on his face and water being poured. I think that is why its easy for people to blow it off and say they don't think its a big deal, unfortunately, if they haven't experienced it. Doesn't make it any less bad, but because the person isn't able to vocalize and you don't see a reaction of pain, there are people who won't be very empathetic unfortunately.
    Any moron can use force and violence, it takes a skilled hand to use the preception of violence to gain needed knowledge. :twisted:
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  • AnonAnon Posts: 11,175
    This whole waterboarding thing is way overblown. It happened to three people, one of those being Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. I'd stand in line to waterboard him myself.
  • justamjustam Posts: 21,412
    I think it's good that the radio host tried it and then was honest enough to admit that it WAS torture.
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  • Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 6,056
    JB811 wrote:
    This whole waterboarding thing is way overblown. It happened to three people,....

    I don't believe that for a second.
  • WaveCameCrashinWaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    edited May 2009
    JB811 wrote:
    This whole waterboarding thing is way overblown. It happened to three people, one of those being Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. I'd stand in line to waterboard him myself.

    no shit... good to see sombody on this board has got some common sense.
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  • WaveCameCrashinWaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    prfctlefts wrote:
    I dont get it :? when it comes to protecting the rights of a terrorist, a person that would kill you and your family and not think twice about doing so you want to give these scumbags every right that every other american has,but when it comes down to the right of an unborn child (late term abortion ) s
    screw em what rights. Now that's torture. :x
    Two seperate issues.

    The problem is with waterboarding is it goes against everything America stands for. If the terrorists force us to abandon Freedom and Justice, then what do we really have as America? Who the hell are we to say other nations are doing bad by torturing.

    so freakin what they're not even americans, they dont even qualify as humans as far as Im concerned. These are cold blooded killers they would cut your head off and not think twice about doing so. and you're worried about them being water boarded. you guys are freakin nuts. Some of you people are really strange :?
  • WaveCameCrashinWaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    JB811 wrote:
    This whole waterboarding thing is way overblown. It happened to three people,....

    I don't believe that for a second.

    why not ? That's what the memo's said oh excuse me that's what the Messiah said
  • WaveCameCrashinWaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    prfctlefts wrote:
    water boarding. :roll: Give me a fuckin break I've been held down for longer than 45 sec surfing waves down in puerto Escondido and central America. you guys are a bunch of pussies. Sign me up
    How it feels to be waterboarded is not really my fake area of expertise today, but i wouldn't imagine it would be terribly pleasant.

    Could you please at least youtube your attempt for me. I'd love to see it. Should be easy enough to do. Just get one of your buddies to video it, post it up and share.

    Mmmm k.

    Thanks.

    :mrgreen:

    sorry dude I dont have a video camera or I would just to make you and every one happy mmmmk thanks
  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    edited May 2009
    prfctlefts wrote:

    so freakin what they're not even americans, they dont even qualify as humans as far as Im concerned. These are cold blooded killers they would cut your head off and not think twice about doing so. and you're worried about them being water boarded. you guys are freakin nuts. Some of you people are really strange :?




    Nationalism maybe the worst disease afflicting human beings today. this posts suggests it.



    you are not better than anyone, simply because you are american.
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  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    prfctlefts wrote:
    prfctlefts wrote:
    water boarding. :roll: Give me a fuckin break I've been held down for longer than 45 sec surfing waves down in puerto Escondido and central America. you guys are a bunch of pussies. Sign me up
    How it feels to be waterboarded is not really my fake area of expertise today, but i wouldn't imagine it would be terribly pleasant.

    Could you please at least youtube your attempt for me. I'd love to see it. Should be easy enough to do. Just get one of your buddies to video it, post it up and share.

    Mmmm k.

    Thanks.

    :mrgreen:

    sorry dude I dont have a video camera or I would just to make you and every one happy mmmmk thanks
    yeah i want to see this too. see you get tossed in a 20 foot wave for a minute or so. lets see it tough guy.
  • WaveCameCrashinWaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    Commy wrote:
    prfctlefts wrote:

    so freakin what they're not even americans, they dont even qualify as humans as far as Im concerned. These are cold blooded killers they would cut your head off and not think twice about doing so. and you're worried about them being water boarded. you guys are freakin nuts. Some of you people are really strange :?




    Nationalism maybe the worst disease afflicting human beings today. this posts suggests it.



    you are not better than anyone, simply because you are american.
    im better than a cold blooded killer and so are you dude cmon man use youre fuckin head :roll:
  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    prfctlefts wrote:
    so freakin what they're not even americans, they dont even qualify as humans as far as Im concerned.



    see what i was referring too? you said it.






    jefrey dahmer had rights. and rightfully so. when you suspend rights, even for these suspected killers, its a small step to suspending OUR rights. you see that don't you?


    It why we give the neo-nazi's a right to say their bullshit. the second free speech is assaulted, dissidents are next in line. so first we shut up the neo-nazis, then its on to the anti war folks, then its on to third party folks, then its on to ...you get the idea.


    we can't let them go through this door.


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  • WaveCameCrashinWaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    I get it commy I always have I just like to talk shit on here sometimes cos it get people all worked up over nothing. but seriously I have a real hard time sticking up for cold blooded killers.
  • __ Posts: 6,651
    prfctlefts wrote:
    I get it commy I always have I just like to talk shit on here sometimes cos it get people all worked up over nothing. but seriously I have a real hard time sticking up for cold blooded killers.

    So they definitely only ever did or intended to do this is the future to people who had already been convicted of murder?
  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    edited May 2009
    Let's not forget that these are ALLEGED terrorists. Granted, KSM made it very clear that he was proud of what he was able to accomplish. Now, this is the United States of America. Innocent until proven guilty. If we are going to be the shining city on the hill that Ronnie kept talking about, we have to live up to that standard. We don't torture. While these men were captured in the field of battle, in the United States we give them due process. That doesn't mean that we're "concerned more about the legal rights of terrorists than our own citizens"...it means that we have a moral standing in the world that we have to keep. When we lower our moral standard (torture, Gitmo, Iraq War, blind support for Israel), that's when people get pissed and want to do harm to us.
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  • NoKNoK Posts: 824
    The main difference between these scenarios we are watching and the ones that occur in real life is that the person is being waterboarded by someone they know is fearing for their safety. "Oh are you alright" ya like the army guy or the private mercenary waterboarding a suspect is going to care if the person is alright. When you are waterboarded by a person whom you know does not give a shit if you die then I'd like to see you sign up. I'd like to see you willing go into a room to be waterboarded by a killer.
  • TriumphantAngelTriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    prfctlefts wrote:
    I get it commy I always have I just like to talk shit on here sometimes cos it get people all worked up over nothing. but seriously I have a real hard time sticking up for cold blooded killers.
    I just don't see this as getting worked up over nothing. Maybe if i was in the Porch talking about which photo Eddie looks hot in, or how nice it is to be a part of the whole big happy jamily, then i would be more inclined to not feel such a need to be so passionate about certain issues.

    To me, patriotism is loyalty to an ideal - to principle. When i feel that our ideals or principles have been betrayed, i can't help but to speak out in defense of them. I speak out to preserve what I feel is great. I speak out because of what I love about my country. When I see the fundamental values of this nation being assaulted and when I see our moral authority slipping away, i can't stay silent.
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