IF IN THE FALL THE GOV'T REQUIRES EVERYONE TO BE VACCINATED

DangDang

JR8805 wrote:

. The autism-vaccination link has been kicked to the curb. I.

Actually, it hasn't.

Only the headlines and CDC and then a Judge said "oh yeah that" have said this--but of course the CDC is going to say this--they regulate both vaccines and safety-testing of them. They are not independently tested for safety.

And seriously, just read ANY "package insert" (like you get with a drug) of a vaccine, and it is THE TRUTH told by the vaccine manufacturere that will scare you the most.

The chances of contracting Hepatis B if the mother is not infected is statistically the same as dying from being kicked by a horse. And they give the vaccine to 3 day old babies. Some whose immune system are not up for that challenge, nor the aluminum preservative. And pubmed.org has LOTS of studies on how aluminum causes autistic symptoms and demyelination in rats.

Anyway, my favorite line from a vaccine insert is this one. Heppatitis B vacine should be given to at-risk infants born to an infected mother, healthcare workers who work with blood/hematology, adolescense (sex risk), and oh what the fuck--lets just give it everyone born after 1991!

Here:

INDICATIONS AND USAGE
RECOMBIVAX HB is indicated for vaccination against infection caused by all known subtypes of
hepatitis B virus. RECOMBIVAX HB Dialysis Formulation is indicated for vaccination of adult
predialysis and dialysis patients against infection caused by all known subtypes of hepatitis B virus.
Vaccination with RECOMBIVAX HB is recommended for:
1) Infants including those born to HBsAg positive mothers (high-risk infants).
2) Children born after November 21, 1991.30
3) Adolescents (see CLINICAL PHARMACOLOGY).
4) Other persons of all ages in areas of high prevalence or those who are or may be at increased risk
of infection with hepatitis B virus, such as:30
• Health Care Personnel
Dentists and oral surgeons.
Physicians and surgeons.
Nurses.
Paramedical personnel and custodial staff who may be exposed to the virus via blood or other patient
specimens.
Dental hygienists and dental nurses.
Laboratory personnel handling blood, blood products, and other patient specimens.
Dental, medical and nursing students.
• Selected Patients and Patient Contacts
Staff in hemodialysis units and hematology/oncology units.

_

A. Why do people think the government is going to mandate vaccines for everyone? Doesn't seem likely to me. Seems more likely that they'll be rationing them.

B. If the professional medical/public health communities conclude that vaccinations are necessary, I think it would dangerously arrogant of us lay people to think we know better.

C. Why are people so quick to disregard the expertise of public health officials, who have dedicatd their lives to protecting the health of the population, just because they are on the government payroll? It's not like it's politicians making the public health decisions (except in the case of women's reproductive health); it's actualy medical professionals. Would I get a vaccination just because Nancy Pelosi thought it best? No. But I also wouldn't disregard the advice of my doctor just because he's part of the CDC.

jlew24asu

scb wrote:

A. Why do people think the government is going to mandate vaccines for everyone? Doesn't seem likely to me. Seems more likely that they'll be rationing them.

B. If the professional medical/public health communities conclude that vaccinations are necessary, I think it would dangerously arrogant of us lay people to think we know better.

C. Why are people so quick to disregard the expertise of public health officials, who have dedicatd their lives to protecting the health of the population, just because they are on the government payroll? It's not like it's politicians making the public health decisions (except in the case of women's reproductive health); it's actualy medical professionals. Would I get a vaccination just because Nancy Pelosi thought it best? No. But I also wouldn't disregard the advice of my doctor just because he's part of the CDC.

A-B-C = is how logical and rational people think. but sadly, a small (yet seemingly growing) part of American society is taken to the sensationalist cult-like following of people like Alex Jones. its brainwashing. all we can do is hope its just a fad and the group doesn't get much larger.

covered in bliss

It wouldn't be surprising if this happens. The government is already telling us what kind of cars we can and cannot drive... we have no choice about withholding medical treatment for our children (the family that has decided against chemo ...)

blackredyellow

covered in bliss wrote:

It wouldn't be surprising if this happens. The government is already telling us what kind of cars we can and cannot drive...

The government is not telling anyone what kinds of cars you can and cannot drive...

VINNY GOOMBA

jlew24asu wrote:

scb wrote:

A. Why do people think the government is going to mandate vaccines for everyone? Doesn't seem likely to me. Seems more likely that they'll be rationing them.

B. If the professional medical/public health communities conclude that vaccinations are necessary, I think it would dangerously arrogant of us lay people to think we know better.

C. Why are people so quick to disregard the expertise of public health officials, who have dedicatd their lives to protecting the health of the population, just because they are on the government payroll? It's not like it's politicians making the public health decisions (except in the case of women's reproductive health); it's actualy medical professionals. Would I get a vaccination just because Nancy Pelosi thought it best? No. But I also wouldn't disregard the advice of my doctor just because he's part of the CDC.

A-B-C = is how logical and rational people think. but sadly, a small (yet seemingly growing) part of American society is taken to the sensationalist cult-like following of people like Alex Jones. its brainwashing. all we can do is hope its just a fad and the group doesn't get much larger.

Just because Alex Jones SCREAMS IT (and he loves to scream it), doesn't mean it isn't true. Ignore Alex for a second-- Look at where this country is heading completely objectively-- do not the government and the media COMPLETELY overreact anytime this country faces a problem? Classic examples: 9/11 gave us the war in Iraq. Car companies cry that they're going bankrupt, and we bail them out with billions. Banks are given billions at a whim at the taxpayer's expense. The Swine Flu is still being touted as a PANDEMIC, and I can count the number of dead from this country on one hand. How far away is a forced vaccination given this country's record of completely going over the top with every decision it makes, especially when you have the media doing a PR campaign for it?

Ask anyone in the military how many needles they get stuck with once they join. Do they have a choice? They're practically guinea pigs. I understand that maybe some of them MIGHT be a good if one were to travel around the world and expose themselves to disease that we don't have here-- but this is the problem EXACTLY-- there's always good intentions behind the government's monster policy blunders. It doesn't change the fact that they always turn out to be blunders.

Listen, they may not be trying to hang us as AJ and some others would put it... But why give them the rope?

Here's something pretty scary. What if something was accidentally wrong with some of these vaccinations:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg-52mHIjhs

jlew24asu

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

Just because Alex Jones SCREAMS IT (and he loves to scream it), doesn't mean it isn't true. Ignore Alex for a second-- Look at where this country is heading completely objectively-- do not the government and the media COMPLETELY overreact anytime this country faces a problem? Classic examples: 9/11 gave us the war in Iraq. Car companies cry that they're going bankrupt, and we bail them out with billions. Banks are given billions at a whim at the taxpayer's expense. The Swine Flu is still being touted as a PANDEMIC, and I can count the number of dead from this country on one hand. How far away is a forced vaccination given this country's record of completely going over the top with every decision it makes, especially when you have the media doing a PR campaign for it?

I absolutely agree. we all are guilty of overreacting. but I think the Flu puts a different type of overreaction in people. this recent swine flu was apparently a never seen type of virus. a mutation or something.

think about it, 1918 really wasnt that long ago and it killed 40 MILLION people. in todays number that might be 80-100 MILLION? (just a guess).

thats a scary scary thing. I think sometimes the worry is justify when it comes to unseen flu viruses that show up.

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

Ask anyone in the military how many needles they get stuck with once they join. Do they have a choice? They're practically guinea pigs. I understand that maybe some of them MIGHT be a good if one were to travel around the world and expose themselves to disease that we don't have here-- but this is the problem EXACTLY-- there's always good intentions behind the government's monster policy blunders. It doesn't change the fact that they always turn out to be blunders.

Listen, they may not be trying to hang us as AJ and some others would put it... But why give them the rope?

Here's something pretty scary. What if something was accidentally wrong with some of these vaccinations:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg-52mHIjhs

I hear ya. but I also think scb is right. I think the medical industry and those who are responsible for vaccines adn whatnot, really are looking out for the well being of mankind.

VINNY GOOMBA

jlew24asu wrote:

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

Just because Alex Jones SCREAMS IT (and he loves to scream it), doesn't mean it isn't true. Ignore Alex for a second-- Look at where this country is heading completely objectively-- do not the government and the media COMPLETELY overreact anytime this country faces a problem? Classic examples: 9/11 gave us the war in Iraq. Car companies cry that they're going bankrupt, and we bail them out with billions. Banks are given billions at a whim at the taxpayer's expense. The Swine Flu is still being touted as a PANDEMIC, and I can count the number of dead from this country on one hand. How far away is a forced vaccination given this country's record of completely going over the top with every decision it makes, especially when you have the media doing a PR campaign for it?

I absolutely agree. we all are guilty of overreacting. but I think the Flu puts a different type of overreaction in people. this recent swine flu was apparently a never seen type of virus. a mutation or something.

think about it, 1918 really wasnt that long ago and it killed 40 MILLION people. in todays number that might be 80-100 MILLION? (just a guess).

thats a scary scary thing. I think sometimes the worry is justify when it comes to unseen flu viruses that show up.

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

Ask anyone in the military how many needles they get stuck with once they join. Do they have a choice? They're practically guinea pigs. I understand that maybe some of them MIGHT be a good if one were to travel around the world and expose themselves to disease that we don't have here-- but this is the problem EXACTLY-- there's always good intentions behind the government's monster policy blunders. It doesn't change the fact that they always turn out to be blunders.

Listen, they may not be trying to hang us as AJ and some others would put it... But why give them the rope?

Here's something pretty scary. What if something was accidentally wrong with some of these vaccinations:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg-52mHIjhs

I hear ya. but I also think scb is right. I think the medical industry and those who are responsible for vaccines adn whatnot, really are looking out for the well being of mankind.

I agree that the medical community more or less probably has our best interests in mind, particularly our doctors and nurses who know us... But think about is how poorly the entire healthcare system is run right now. Doctors barely have time for their patients anymore, there's plenty of bad shit being prescribed right now as a result of it-- the public is pretty much the "Beta testing" of hundreds of drugs and vaccines as it is right now. Now, put this all in a National Emergency scenario... How much time are medical professionals going to have to review what they are injecting people with? Some of them may refuse to stick anyone with any needles until they know for sure what they are doing, but some will unquestionably do what they're told, and put blind faith in the vaccine manufacturer. It's not the doctors that worry me so much as the drug companies.

jlew24asu

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

I agree that the medical community more or less probably has our best interests in mind, particularly our doctors and nurses who know us... But think about is how poorly the entire healthcare system is run right now. Doctors barely have time for their patients anymore, there's plenty of bad shit being prescribed right now as a result of it-- the public is pretty much the "Beta testing" of hundreds of drugs and vaccines as it is right now. Now, put this all in a National Emergency scenario... How much time are medical professionals going to have to review what they are injecting people with? Some of them may refuse to stick anyone with any needles until they know for sure what they are doing, but some will unquestionably do what they're told, and put blind faith in the vaccine manufacturer. It's not the doctors that worry me so much as the drug companies.

well whatareyagoonado ya know? its a scary complex world we live in. dealing with something like flu and vaccines is very difficult and dangerous. its been proven before that the flu can wipe us very quickly. all we can do is research this stuff as much as we can and find a trusted doctor or source to help guide us.

my point, is that this Alex Jones crowd is not helping anything. its not that what they say isn't true, some of it probably is, its all in their approach.

VINNY GOOMBA

jlew24asu wrote:

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

I agree that the medical community more or less probably has our best interests in mind, particularly our doctors and nurses who know us... But think about is how poorly the entire healthcare system is run right now. Doctors barely have time for their patients anymore, there's plenty of bad shit being prescribed right now as a result of it-- the public is pretty much the "Beta testing" of hundreds of drugs and vaccines as it is right now. Now, put this all in a National Emergency scenario... How much time are medical professionals going to have to review what they are injecting people with? Some of them may refuse to stick anyone with any needles until they know for sure what they are doing, but some will unquestionably do what they're told, and put blind faith in the vaccine manufacturer. It's not the doctors that worry me so much as the drug companies.

well whatareyagoonado ya know? its a scary complex world we live in. dealing with something like flu and vaccines is very difficult and dangerous. its been proven before that the flu can wipe us very quickly. all we can do is research this stuff as much as we can and find a trusted doctor or source to help guide us.

my point, is that this Alex Jones crowd is not helping anything. its not that what they say isn't true, some of it probably is, its all in their approach.

I'magonnatellyawhatI'magonnado... I'm going to do my research and weigh my options, just like everyone else should. I definitely will not be first in line for any flu shot... I need to see bodies dropping before I take it.

If you ask me, the news from prison planet is equally accurate, insane, inaccurate, and believable as anything I hear on any mainstream news station. These days, who can you believe? Everyone has an agenda-- it's all stranger than fiction.

jlew24asu

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

jlew24asu wrote:

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

I agree that the medical community more or less probably has our best interests in mind, particularly our doctors and nurses who know us... But think about is how poorly the entire healthcare system is run right now. Doctors barely have time for their patients anymore, there's plenty of bad shit being prescribed right now as a result of it-- the public is pretty much the "Beta testing" of hundreds of drugs and vaccines as it is right now. Now, put this all in a National Emergency scenario... How much time are medical professionals going to have to review what they are injecting people with? Some of them may refuse to stick anyone with any needles until they know for sure what they are doing, but some will unquestionably do what they're told, and put blind faith in the vaccine manufacturer. It's not the doctors that worry me so much as the drug companies.

well whatareyagoonado ya know? its a scary complex world we live in. dealing with something like flu and vaccines is very difficult and dangerous. its been proven before that the flu can wipe us very quickly. all we can do is research this stuff as much as we can and find a trusted doctor or source to help guide us.

my point, is that this Alex Jones crowd is not helping anything. its not that what they say isn't true, some of it probably is, its all in their approach.

I'magonnatellyawhatI'magonnado... I'm going to do my research and weigh my options, just like everyone else should. I definitely will not be first in line for any flu shot... I need to see bodies dropping before I take it.

If you ask me, the news from prison planet is equally accurate, insane, inaccurate, and believable as anything I hear on any mainstream news station. These days, who can you believe? Everyone has an agenda-- it's all stranger than fiction.

agreed. but just look at the sun logo thread from drifitin. that is the type of shit they talk about. but I ceratinly dont want to shut him up. I love the fact that he is allowed a forum, a voice. this is America and I would never deny his right to freedom of speech.

but anyway, I hope everyone does their own research as well.

TriumphantAngel

jlew24asu wrote:

agreed. but just look at the sun logo thread from drifitin. that is the type of shit they talk about. but I ceratinly dont want to shut him up. I love the fact that he is allowed a forum, a voice. this is America and I would never deny his right to freedom of speech.

I most definitely don't want him to shut up either. I love me some Drifting. His knowledge on anything to do with the Fed Res and his interpretation on the constitution is right on.

jlew24asu

TriumphantAngel wrote:

jlew24asu wrote:

agreed. but just look at the sun logo thread from drifitin. that is the type of shit they talk about. but I ceratinly dont want to shut him up. I love the fact that he is allowed a forum, a voice. this is America and I would never deny his right to freedom of speech.

I most definitely don't want him to shut up either. I love me some Drifting. His knowledge on anything to do with the Fed Res and his interpretation on the constitution is right on.

I wasn't talking about drifting, I meant Alex Jones. drifting has feel off the deep end, which is sad because he really is a smart guy. hopefully if he ever comes to his senses he will keep up the fight the against the Fed and defending of the constitution. instead off all the pointless wacky BS he has been debating recently.

soulsinging

jlew24asu wrote:

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

Just because Alex Jones SCREAMS IT (and he loves to scream it), doesn't mean it isn't true. Ignore Alex for a second-- Look at where this country is heading completely objectively-- do not the government and the media COMPLETELY overreact anytime this country faces a problem? Classic examples: 9/11 gave us the war in Iraq. Car companies cry that they're going bankrupt, and we bail them out with billions. Banks are given billions at a whim at the taxpayer's expense. The Swine Flu is still being touted as a PANDEMIC, and I can count the number of dead from this country on one hand. How far away is a forced vaccination given this country's record of completely going over the top with every decision it makes, especially when you have the media doing a PR campaign for it?

I absolutely agree. we all are guilty of overreacting. but I think the Flu puts a different type of overreaction in people. this recent swine flu was apparently a never seen type of virus. a mutation or something.

think about it, 1918 really wasnt that long ago and it killed 40 MILLION people. in todays number that might be 80-100 MILLION? (just a guess).

thats a scary scary thing. I think sometimes the worry is justify when it comes to unseen flu viruses that show up.

Hardly. The reason the number can be inflated is because our population has skyrocketed due to longer lives and the best medical options in the world. What was your medical option if you got a swine flu in 1918? Leeches to suck the bad blood out? A cold wet towel for the fever? Compare that to what we've got now... there is nothing scary about any of these "pandemics" that roll around conveniently every spring. Avian flu, SARS, swin flu... it's all a joke. I don't think it's a plot to kill old people and save $ on social security, but I do believe it is a combination of 1. our tendency to overreact (which I believe is mainly due to the fact that terrifying alarmist headlines sell more ads and 2. I do believe drug companies and the medical community have some great networks for getting these stories pumped up because it's good for their business.

jlew24asu

soulsinging wrote:

Hardly. The reason the number can be inflated is because our population has skyrocketed due to longer lives and the best medical options in the world. What was your medical option if you got a swine flu in 1918? Leeches to suck the bad blood out? A cold wet towel for the fever? Compare that to what we've got now... there is nothing scary about any of these "pandemics" that roll around conveniently every spring. Avian flu, SARS, swin flu... it's all a joke. I don't think it's a plot to kill old people and save $ on social security, but I do believe it is a combination of 1. our tendency to overreact (which I believe is mainly due to the fact that terrifying alarmist headlines sell more ads and 2. I do believe drug companies and the medical community have some great networks for getting these stories pumped up because it's good for their business.

so you dont think some type of flu can kill millions like past pandemics?

ajedigecko

the bodies will never be stacked up in first world........medicine is good.
now third world........different situation.

if we do see bodies stacked up in first world nations..............too late.

ajedigecko

jlew24asu wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

Hardly. The reason the number can be inflated is because our population has skyrocketed due to longer lives and the best medical options in the world. What was your medical option if you got a swine flu in 1918? Leeches to suck the bad blood out? A cold wet towel for the fever? Compare that to what we've got now... there is nothing scary about any of these "pandemics" that roll around conveniently every spring. Avian flu, SARS, swin flu... it's all a joke. I don't think it's a plot to kill old people and save $ on social security, but I do believe it is a combination of 1. our tendency to overreact (which I believe is mainly due to the fact that terrifying alarmist headlines sell more ads and 2. I do believe drug companies and the medical community have some great networks for getting these stories pumped up because it's good for their business.

so you dont think some type of flu can kill millions like past pandemics?

i do not think so...not in first world nations.

i may be wrong.

jlew24asu

ajedigecko wrote:

jlew24asu wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

Hardly. The reason the number can be inflated is because our population has skyrocketed due to longer lives and the best medical options in the world. What was your medical option if you got a swine flu in 1918? Leeches to suck the bad blood out? A cold wet towel for the fever? Compare that to what we've got now... there is nothing scary about any of these "pandemics" that roll around conveniently every spring. Avian flu, SARS, swin flu... it's all a joke. I don't think it's a plot to kill old people and save $ on social security, but I do believe it is a combination of 1. our tendency to overreact (which I believe is mainly due to the fact that terrifying alarmist headlines sell more ads and 2. I do believe drug companies and the medical community have some great networks for getting these stories pumped up because it's good for their business.

so you dont think some type of flu can kill millions like past pandemics?

i do not think so...not in first world nations.

i may be wrong.

I certainly hope so (obviously) but damn, maybe its just me, but I have a high level of respect for shit like that.

soulsinging

jlew24asu wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

Hardly. The reason the number can be inflated is because our population has skyrocketed due to longer lives and the best medical options in the world. What was your medical option if you got a swine flu in 1918? Leeches to suck the bad blood out? A cold wet towel for the fever? Compare that to what we've got now... there is nothing scary about any of these "pandemics" that roll around conveniently every spring. Avian flu, SARS, swin flu... it's all a joke. I don't think it's a plot to kill old people and save $ on social security, but I do believe it is a combination of 1. our tendency to overreact (which I believe is mainly due to the fact that terrifying alarmist headlines sell more ads and 2. I do believe drug companies and the medical community have some great networks for getting these stories pumped up because it's good for their business.

so you dont think some type of flu can kill millions like past pandemics?

Not here in the US, no.

ajedigecko

I certainly hope so (obviously) but damn, maybe its just me, but I have a high level of respect for shit like that.[/quote]i have a high level of respect for viruses, as well. that is why we will be ok.