as a fan of Green day from the Kerplunk days (yep before Dookie hit), I just found it pathetic, like a an attempt to change their image, and subscribe to the new teen trendy crowd and play arenas and the likes.
Green were an awesome club band, but they are bland and average in an arena. AI was produced for mass appeal and the radio, its like listening to My chemical romance/Sum41/Blink 182.
I got the new album just in case it was good and because I love Green day but still havent managed to play the damn thing.
That is something I will not be able to do when the Rancid record hits soon.
Oh my. I am going to apologize in advance for probably sounding like a dick in responding to your post. This is the exact mentality that is running this country into the ground. You want Green Day to fit into a nice, neat little box and produce the kind of music that first introduced you to them. You give them no permission to grow or to grow up. I pity people who engage with the world at 40 years old in the same way they did when they were 21. People like that haven't even bothered to live their lives. Seriously, you want the 40-year-olds singing about jerking off and farts? Really?
Green Day was a good band before American Idiot. Now they're a great band. They are making music that matters. They are branching out and growing as musicians and as human beings. There is nothing contrived about what they are doing. They see how fucked up things have become and feel obligated to comment on it. And thank goodness for that. American Idiot is a masterpiece. 21st Century Breakdown is in the same ballpark. It's filled with songs that convey poignant and profound social commentary. As depressing as that commentary might be, people need to hear it.
....Yeah...what he said!
I wish everyone on this thread could have seen this band throw it down at Webster Hall last week here in NYC ... they ended any debate at all. They are a great band with great songs and lots of attitude and stage presence and they can rock the fuck out of a packed room of sweaty fans rocking their asses off ... you can't fake that
I was alone and far away when I heard the band start playing!
...I was always a DeadHead, but when I first heard Winston Rodney, aka the Burning Spear, sing, I became a SpearHead too!
Oh my. I am going to apologize in advance for probably sounding like a dick in responding to your post. This is the exact mentality that is running this country into the ground. You want Green Day to fit into a nice, neat little box and produce the kind of music that first introduced you to them. You give them no permission to grow or to grow up. I pity people who engage with the world at 40 years old in the same way they did when they were 21. People like that haven't even bothered to live their lives. Seriously, you want the 40-year-olds singing about jerking off and farts? Really?
Green Day was a good band before American Idiot. Now they're a great band. They are making music that matters. They are branching out and growing as musicians and as human beings. There is nothing contrived about what they are doing. They see how fucked up things have become and feel obligated to comment on it. And thank goodness for that. American Idiot is a masterpiece. 21st Century Breakdown is in the same ballpark. It's filled with songs that convey poignant and profound social commentary. As depressing as that commentary might be, people need to hear it.
....Yeah...what he said!
I wish everyone on this thread could have seen this band throw it down at Webster Hall last week here in NYC ... they ended any debate at all. They are a great band with great songs and lots of attitude and stage presence and they can rock the fuck out of a packed room of sweaty fans rocking their asses off ... you can't
fake that
nah you dont sound like a dick, but I dont agree with what you say.
Its like this, your point about farts and wanking is true, but did Green Day really use those as material that much? take insomniac as an example.....sure it had its fair share of drugs references but musically its not from the same box as Dookie was, not by a long way, in fact if you play 1039....and then Warning, you'll see bthat green day never stood still, they never conformed to that one particular sound, and aside from Keplunk and 1039 none of the records sound the same IMO. They matured on their scene over their whole careers, but for the reasons I mention above AI in my book just doesnt cut it, its not that great at all.
Their live show on the insomniac tour and the Nimrod tour was insane, a real blast of a show, Nottingham Rock City was their ideal. totally blew me away. However doing this 'rock opera' shit with an additonal 'add' on guitarist just didnt work in the arenas, they looked lost. The stage presence just wasnt there, well thats unless you were and had your school tie on and your hair dyed black just like Billie.
I respect any band from moving on, but I dont understand the comment that the mentality of 'dont fix it if it aint broken' is running the country into the ground??? no an artist uses his expereinces as subject matter for his lyrics and music, I went ahead and read through the lyrcis for the new record and lets be honest here its hardly fucking peace and war is it?
My reference point once again is Rancid. Check em out live, and my god there is a lesson to learn right there. Punks biggest selling band from the 90's - and still releavnt today and top class whether they are stuck in their little boxes or not.
It sounds like you just don't like the rock opera sound, which is fine. But the only evidence I see you presenting about them selling out is Billy Jo dying his hair, which is pretty weak.
The way for them to "sell out" would have been to re-do "Dookie" six times.
"American Idiot" alienated half the country right off the bat.
"They said ... timing was everything
made him ... want to be everywhere
there's a ... lot to be said for nowhere."
It sounds like you just don't like the rock opera sound, which is fine. But the only evidence I see you presenting about them selling out is Billy Jo dying his hair, which is pretty weak.
The way for them to "sell out" would have been to re-do "Dookie" six times.
"American Idiot" alienated half the country right off the bat.
I think you hit the nail on the head, the rock opera thing isnt my cuppa.....and when you play Green Days other material next to AI there is no contest. Sure some people like it, some dont, all part of the fun of the music critique I guess....hell some people hate the Advocado record and I love it.....tastes I guess
as for the dying hair comment, not entirely valid as he's dyed his hair since day one any number of wacky colours.....
Did anyone catch their performance on The Colbert Report the other day? I thought it was great and great interview as always by Colbert. Make sure and watch Colbert's patriotic performance right before their set. Frickin' hilarious.
The reason "American Idiot" sold so well is it was great.
I would just like to point out that Vanilla Ice's To the Extreme sold eleven million copies. So just because an album sells well does not make it great.
The reason "American Idiot" sold so well is it was great.
I would just like to point out that Vanilla Ice's To the Extreme sold eleven million copies. So just because an album sells well does not make it great.
Dookie rocks.
I didn't say something has to be great to sell a lot. I said "American Idiot" sold a lot because it was great, not because Green Day sold out or pandered to teens or whatever.
"They said ... timing was everything
made him ... want to be everywhere
there's a ... lot to be said for nowhere."
The reason "American Idiot" sold so well is it was great.
I would just like to point out that Vanilla Ice's To the Extreme sold eleven million copies. So just because an album sells well does not make it great.
Dookie rocks.
I didn't say something has to be great to sell a lot. I said "American Idiot" sold a lot because it was great, not because Green Day sold out or pandered to teens or whatever.
"American Idiot" is one of the best albums released in the last 5 years. It is great from start to finish. If "21st Century Breakdown" is half as good as "American Idiot" then I will be satisfied. I am holding out on listening to the album until I get the CD on Friday.
I agree. That and avocado, nothing else!
I just hate how they've changed their image! grrrr!
Stay who you are! Not something you ain't!
whats changed? they still wear stupid makeup and play three chords
It sounds like you just don't like the rock opera sound, which is fine. But the only evidence I see you presenting about them selling out is Billy Jo dying his hair, which is pretty weak.
The way for them to "sell out" would have been to re-do "Dookie" six times.
"American Idiot" alienated half the country right off the bat.
people just write on forums to hate, usually because they didnt get enough attention during their formative years.
i'm glad the internet wasnt around before the 90's
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Oh my. I am going to apologize in advance for probably sounding like a dick in responding to your post. This is the exact mentality that is running this country into the ground. You want Green Day to fit into a nice, neat little box and produce the kind of music that first introduced you to them. You give them no permission to grow or to grow up. I pity people who engage with the world at 40 years old in the same way they did when they were 21. People like that haven't even bothered to live their lives. Seriously, you want the 40-year-olds singing about jerking off and farts? Really?
Green Day was a good band before American Idiot. Now they're a great band. They are making music that matters. They are branching out and growing as musicians and as human beings. There is nothing contrived about what they are doing. They see how fucked up things have become and feel obligated to comment on it. And thank goodness for that. American Idiot is a masterpiece. 21st Century Breakdown is in the same ballpark. It's filled with songs that convey poignant and profound social commentary. As depressing as that commentary might be, people need to hear it.
....Yeah...what he said!
I wish everyone on this thread could have seen this band throw it down at Webster Hall last week here in NYC ... they ended any debate at all. They are a great band with great songs and lots of attitude and stage presence and they can rock the fuck out of a packed room of sweaty fans rocking their asses off ... you can't fake that
WOW they play played Webster Hall, that tiny place. I really like that club Michael Franti and his band played their 2 years ago on the "Yell Fire" Tour he rocked the place till the fans and the walls were all sweating.
I picked up Green Day last week and I loved this album but I had put it down just to avoid rearing it out. I've been a longtime fan just didn't buy anything till "American Idiot". Then started shopping for their albums going back in time to towards their first. It's then I recogized this is a truly great band besides I love 3 member bands...love RUSH.
Peace & Stay Human
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
The title track is my favorite song on the album and probably my favorite Green Day song ever, just an amazing song. I also love Horseshoes and Handgrenades, Restless Heart Syndrome, Know Your Enemy, and Last of the American Girls.
Oh my. I am going to apologize in advance for probably sounding like a dick in responding to your post. This is the exact mentality that is running this country into the ground. You want Green Day to fit into a nice, neat little box and produce the kind of music that first introduced you to them. You give them no permission to grow or to grow up. I pity people who engage with the world at 40 years old in the same way they did when they were 21. People like that haven't even bothered to live their lives. Seriously, you want the 40-year-olds singing about jerking off and farts? Really?
Green Day was a good band before American Idiot. Now they're a great band. They are making music that matters. They are branching out and growing as musicians and as human beings. There is nothing contrived about what they are doing. They see how fucked up things have become and feel obligated to comment on it. And thank goodness for that. American Idiot is a masterpiece. 21st Century Breakdown is in the same ballpark. It's filled with songs that convey poignant and profound social commentary. As depressing as that commentary might be, people need to hear it.
....Yeah...what he said!
I wish everyone on this thread could have seen this band throw it down at Webster Hall last week here in NYC ... they ended any debate at all. They are a great band with great songs and lots of attitude and stage presence and they can rock the fuck out of a packed room of sweaty fans rocking their asses off ... you can't fake that
WOW they play played Webster Hall, that tiny place. I really like that club Michael Franti and his band played their 2 years ago on the "Yell Fire" Tour he rocked the place till the fans and the walls were all sweating.
I picked up Green Day last week and I loved this album but I had put it down just to avoid rearing it out. I've been a longtime fan just didn't buy anything till "American Idiot". Then started shopping for their albums going back in time to towards their first. It's then I recogized this is a truly great band besides I love 3 member bands...love RUSH.
Peace & Stay Human
My favorite has to PEACEMAKER, I like songs that are constructed with a different pace.
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
The more I listen to this album, the more I love it. There are a lot of catchy riffs, great hooks and unforgettable melodies. Truly a classic. Almost like it as much as American Idiot. But for the record, Dookie was and will always be their best album.
I agree with Cropduster's comments. Dookie remains my favorite mainly due to that time of life. This album has some awesome songs that grow on me with each listen. Will be seeing them in 2 weeks and was impressed with their presales and fantastic seats we got thru my son's membership only since 2005. Been kicking it in and out of here since postcards but keep getting lost with each new forum. Not bitching about 10 and know other old timers this has happened. Just sayin GD has fewer club scalpers at shows.
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"What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world remains and is immortal." Albert Pine.
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as a fan of Green day from the Kerplunk days (yep before Dookie hit), I just found it pathetic, like a an attempt to change their image, and subscribe to the new teen trendy crowd and play arenas and the likes.
Green were an awesome club band, but they are bland and average in an arena. AI was produced for mass appeal and the radio, its like listening to My chemical romance/Sum41/Blink 182.
I got the new album just in case it was good and because I love Green day but still havent managed to play the damn thing.
That is something I will not be able to do when the Rancid record hits soon.
....Yeah...what he said!
I wish everyone on this thread could have seen this band throw it down at Webster Hall last week here in NYC ... they ended any debate at all. They are a great band with great songs and lots of attitude and stage presence and they can rock the fuck out of a packed room of sweaty fans rocking their asses off ... you can't fake that
...I was always a DeadHead, but when I first heard Winston Rodney, aka the Burning Spear, sing, I became a SpearHead too!
The reason "American Idiot" sold so well is it was great.
made him ... want to be everywhere
there's a ... lot to be said for nowhere."
nah you dont sound like a dick, but I dont agree with what you say.
Its like this, your point about farts and wanking is true, but did Green Day really use those as material that much? take insomniac as an example.....sure it had its fair share of drugs references but musically its not from the same box as Dookie was, not by a long way, in fact if you play 1039....and then Warning, you'll see bthat green day never stood still, they never conformed to that one particular sound, and aside from Keplunk and 1039 none of the records sound the same IMO. They matured on their scene over their whole careers, but for the reasons I mention above AI in my book just doesnt cut it, its not that great at all.
Their live show on the insomniac tour and the Nimrod tour was insane, a real blast of a show, Nottingham Rock City was their ideal. totally blew me away. However doing this 'rock opera' shit with an additonal 'add' on guitarist just didnt work in the arenas, they looked lost. The stage presence just wasnt there, well thats unless you were and had your school tie on and your hair dyed black just like Billie.
I respect any band from moving on, but I dont understand the comment that the mentality of 'dont fix it if it aint broken' is running the country into the ground??? no an artist uses his expereinces as subject matter for his lyrics and music, I went ahead and read through the lyrcis for the new record and lets be honest here its hardly fucking peace and war is it?
My reference point once again is Rancid. Check em out live, and my god there is a lesson to learn right there. Punks biggest selling band from the 90's - and still releavnt today and top class whether they are stuck in their little boxes or not.
The way for them to "sell out" would have been to re-do "Dookie" six times.
"American Idiot" alienated half the country right off the bat.
made him ... want to be everywhere
there's a ... lot to be said for nowhere."
I think you hit the nail on the head, the rock opera thing isnt my cuppa.....and when you play Green Days other material next to AI there is no contest. Sure some people like it, some dont, all part of the fun of the music critique I guess....hell some people hate the Advocado record and I love it.....tastes I guess
as for the dying hair comment, not entirely valid as he's dyed his hair since day one any number of wacky colours.....
made him ... want to be everywhere
there's a ... lot to be said for nowhere."
http://ccinsider.comedycentral.com/2009 ... s-colbert/
Dookie rocks.
I didn't say something has to be great to sell a lot. I said "American Idiot" sold a lot because it was great, not because Green Day sold out or pandered to teens or whatever.
made him ... want to be everywhere
there's a ... lot to be said for nowhere."
although they did
whats changed? they still wear stupid makeup and play three chords
people just write on forums to hate, usually because they didnt get enough attention during their formative years.
i'm glad the internet wasnt around before the 90's
WOW they play played Webster Hall, that tiny place. I really like that club Michael Franti and his band played their 2 years ago on the "Yell Fire" Tour he rocked the place till the fans and the walls were all sweating.
I picked up Green Day last week and I loved this album but I had put it down just to avoid rearing it out. I've been a longtime fan just didn't buy anything till "American Idiot". Then started shopping for their albums going back in time to towards their first. It's then I recogized this is a truly great band besides I love 3 member bands...love RUSH.
Peace & Stay Human
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
21st Century Breakdown > Know your enemy
made him ... want to be everywhere
there's a ... lot to be said for nowhere."
My favorite has to PEACEMAKER, I like songs that are constructed with a different pace.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
9/29/04 Boston, 6/28/08 Mansfield, 8/23/09 Chicago, 5/15/10 Hartford
5/17/10 Boston, 10/15/13 Worcester, 10/16/13 Worcester, 10/25/13 Hartford
8/5/16 Fenway, 8/7/16 Fenway
EV Solo: 6/16/11 Boston, 6/18/11 Hartford,
It is a live video, awesome stuff.
I missed half of it, dammit!
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Seattle Times review: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/m ... day04.html
I've given this record a few listens and there are some catchy songs in it, digging it a bit.
"What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world remains and is immortal." Albert Pine.
Awesome review. I see them in a couple of weeks, I can't wait. Can't say I read too many reviews that called it a let down.