My son bought it last week and after a few listens, I like it. The first time was a little confusing as which song ended and the next one began. But many of them seem to start off slow or compressed then tear into the song.
Favs so far are; (both) Viva la Gloria's, Horseshoes and handgrenades, Murder city, and East Jesus nowhere.
they all seem to sound like something I've heard before but it is still good.
If a man speaks in a forest and there is no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong?
Okay, I've given this a couple of spins and I'm really not digging this album at all. I really do not understand how the offices of Rolling Stone Magazine all getting all stiff and hard over this album. It's really not that good.
Green Day sounds like a band trying desperately to be something they are not.
21st Century Breakdown -Like "American Idiot"- sounds forced. I give them alot of props for trying to do something different and change up their sound, but in the end the album loses it's flavor really quick and comes off as very generic.
The best songs are the ones that remind you of the Green Day of old, and not this lame ass "Genesis- prog-rock-look how much we've progressed as songwriters" bull crap trip that they've been on as late.
Green Day was a great band for making quick punky radio friendly songs about boogers, farts, and spitballs. Dookie was an honest record by an honest band...this one is just the product of over indulgence and is probably the biggest pile of over rated Dookie you'll hear all year.
Okay, I've given this a couple of spins and I'm really not digging this album at all. I really do not understand how the offices of Rolling Stone Magazine all getting all stiff and hard over this album. It's really not that good.
Green Day sounds like a band trying desperately to be something they are not.
21st Century Breakdown -Like "American Idiot"- sounds forced. I give them alot of props for trying to do something different and change up their sound, but in the end the album loses it's flavor really quick and comes off as very generic.
The best songs are the ones that remind you of the Green Day of old, and not this lame ass "Genesis- prog-rock-look how much we've progressed as songwriters" bull crap trip that they've been on as late.
Green Day was a great band for making quick punky radio friendly songs about boogers, farts, and spitballs. Dookie was an honest record by an honest band...this one is just the product of over indulgence and is probably the biggest pile of over rated Dookie you'll hear all year.
Oh my. I am going to apologize in advance for probably sounding like a dick in responding to your post. This is the exact mentality that is running this country into the ground. You want Green Day to fit into a nice, neat little box and produce the kind of music that first introduced you to them. You give them no permission to grow or to grow up. I pity people who engage with the world at 40 years old in the same way they did when they were 21. People like that haven't even bothered to live their lives. Seriously, you want the 40-year-olds singing about jerking off and farts? Really?
Green Day was a good band before American Idiot. Now they're a great band. They are making music that matters. They are branching out and growing as musicians and as human beings. There is nothing contrived about what they are doing. They see how fucked up things have become and feel obligated to comment on it. And thank goodness for that. American Idiot is a masterpiece. 21st Century Breakdown is in the same ballpark. It's filled with songs that convey poignant and profound social commentary. As depressing as that commentary might be, people need to hear it.
It makes much more sense to live in the present tense.
Oh my. I am going to apologize in advance for probably sounding like a dick in responding to your post. This is the exact mentality that is running this country into the ground. You want Green Day to fit into a nice, neat little box and produce the kind of music that first introduced you to them. You give them no permission to grow or to grow up. I pity people who engage with the world at 40 years old in the same way they did when they were 21. People like that haven't even bothered to live their lives. Seriously, you want the 40-year-olds singing about jerking off and farts? Really?
Green Day was a good band before American Idiot. Now they're a great band. They are making music that matters. They are branching out and growing as musicians and as human beings. There is nothing contrived about what they are doing. They see how fucked up things have become and feel obligated to comment on it. And thank goodness for that. American Idiot is a masterpiece. 21st Century Breakdown is in the same ballpark. It's filled with songs that convey poignant and profound social commentary. As depressing as that commentary might be, people need to hear it.
well said....and this can also be said of the people who are stuck in 1995 regarding pearl jam
Okay, I've given this a couple of spins and I'm really not digging this album at all. I really do not understand how the offices of Rolling Stone Magazine all getting all stiff and hard over this album. It's really not that good.
Green Day sounds like a band trying desperately to be something they are not.
21st Century Breakdown -Like "American Idiot"- sounds forced. I give them alot of props for trying to do something different and change up their sound, but in the end the album loses it's flavor really quick and comes off as very generic.
The best songs are the ones that remind you of the Green Day of old, and not this lame ass "Genesis- prog-rock-look how much we've progressed as songwriters" bull crap trip that they've been on as late.
Green Day was a great band for making quick punky radio friendly songs about boogers, farts, and spitballs. Dookie was an honest record by an honest band...this one is just the product of over indulgence and is probably the biggest pile of over rated Dookie you'll hear all year.
Oh my. I am going to apologize in advance for probably sounding like a dick in responding to your post. This is the exact mentality that is running this country into the ground. You want Green Day to fit into a nice, neat little box and produce the kind of music that first introduced you to them. You give them no permission to grow or to grow up. I pity people who engage with the world at 40 years old in the same way they did when they were 21. People like that haven't even bothered to live their lives. Seriously, you want the 40-year-olds singing about jerking off and farts? Really?
Green Day was a good band before American Idiot. Now they're a great band. They are making music that matters. They are branching out and growing as musicians and as human beings. There is nothing contrived about what they are doing. They see how fucked up things have become and feel obligated to comment on it. And thank goodness for that. American Idiot is a masterpiece. 21st Century Breakdown is in the same ballpark. It's filled with songs that convey poignant and profound social commentary. As depressing as that commentary might be, people need to hear it.
The problem with Green Day, however, is that this "growth" is completely manufactured.
"Hey, people hate Bush now! Let's make an entire rock opera about how much he sucks!" Enter American Idiot, which I thought was OK, if overindulgent.
Then, "Hey, people liked our last rock opera about how much Bush sucks. It made us a lot of money. Let's make another one!"
So fucking transparent.
And don't even get me started on why in the hell Billie Joe has decided to try and look like Robert Smith's bastard son. What the fuck is that about?
I like Green Day, and always have, but I just find them to be exhausting nowadays. The reason most people liked Green Day was because they served as an escape from heavy music. They were all farts and boogers and such. Listening them sing about their heavy political commentary these days is akin to going to see a Will Ferrell movie, and it turns out to be a remake of Sophie's Choice.
Green Day is free to evolve all they want. And I am free to think they suck now.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
Okay, I've given this a couple of spins and I'm really not digging this album at all. I really do not understand how the offices of Rolling Stone Magazine all getting all stiff and hard over this album. It's really not that good.
Green Day sounds like a band trying desperately to be something they are not.
21st Century Breakdown -Like "American Idiot"- sounds forced. I give them alot of props for trying to do something different and change up their sound, but in the end the album loses it's flavor really quick and comes off as very generic.
The best songs are the ones that remind you of the Green Day of old, and not this lame ass "Genesis- prog-rock-look how much we've progressed as songwriters" bull crap trip that they've been on as late.
Green Day was a great band for making quick punky radio friendly songs about boogers, farts, and spitballs. Dookie was an honest record by an honest band...this one is just the product of over indulgence and is probably the biggest pile of over rated Dookie you'll hear all year.
Oh my. I am going to apologize in advance for probably sounding like a dick in responding to your post. This is the exact mentality that is running this country into the ground. You want Green Day to fit into a nice, neat little box and produce the kind of music that first introduced you to them. You give them no permission to grow or to grow up. I pity people who engage with the world at 40 years old in the same way they did when they were 21. People like that haven't even bothered to live their lives. Seriously, you want the 40-year-olds singing about jerking off and farts? Really?
Green Day was a good band before American Idiot. Now they're a great band. They are making music that matters. They are branching out and growing as musicians and as human beings. There is nothing contrived about what they are doing. They see how fucked up things have become and feel obligated to comment on it. And thank goodness for that. American Idiot is a masterpiece. 21st Century Breakdown is in the same ballpark. It's filled with songs that convey poignant and profound social commentary. As depressing as that commentary might be, people need to hear it.
The problem with Green Day, however, is that this "growth" is completely manufactured.
"Hey, people hate Bush now! Let's make an entire rock opera about how much he sucks!" Enter American Idiot, which I thought was OK, if overindulgent.
Then, "Hey, people liked our last rock opera about how much Bush sucks. It made us a lot of money. Let's make another one!"
So fucking transparent.
And don't even get me started on why in the hell Billie Joe has decided to try and look like Robert Smith's bastard son. What the fuck is that about?
I like Green Day, and always have, but I just find them to be exhausting nowadays. The reason most people liked Green Day was because they served as an escape from heavy music. They were all farts and boogers and such. Listening them sing about their heavy political commentary these days is akin to going to see a Will Ferrell movie, and it turns out to be a remake of Sophie's Choice.
It's like the punk kid next door who spent the summer making armpit noises and whacking off, and then goes to one semester of college and decides to lecture you about the world. Fucking snot nosed little know-it-all fucker. I hate that fucker.
Green Day is free to evolve all they want. And I am free to think they suck now.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
I thought Green Day's "mature, progressive sounding album" was Warning. It had adult themes, grown up songwriting, it had it's intricacies without overdoing it, and the band was still able to hold onto its signature pop-punk sound.
It sounded like a band genuinely growing up and moving forward.
American Idiot was good, but it was regressive. It was geared towards teenagers who are just becoming politically aware and whose immediate solution to anything political is peace, love, and harmony; Green Day capitalized on that. They didn't really provide anything profound because they were preaching generic liberal idioms to an already liberal chior. And the music was watered down in order to amplify the message being sent.
They bashed conservatism by sarcastically saying "everybody do the propaganda", but ironically, that's exactly what they did to naive liberal newcomers.
and 21st century breakdown seems to be a continuation of this facade of using simple anthemic rock to make stale complaints seem big and imminent to 16-21 year olds.
I'm starting to get over this American Idiot part 2 talk.
To me it is a different album, it is like people calling Quadrophenia Tommy part 2.
Judging from the two songs they played on SNL, they sure are hammering the same themes as they did in American Idiot Part 1, no?
AI was more geared to the Bush administration and Iraq war.
The new album is more social commentary from the perspective of young adults in our modern times.
Adelaide 17/11/2009, Melbourne 20/11/2009, Sydney 22/11/2009, Melbourne (Big Day Out Festival) 24/01/2014
Okay, I've given this a couple of spins and I'm really not digging this album at all. I really do not understand how the offices of Rolling Stone Magazine all getting all stiff and hard over this album. It's really not that good.
Green Day sounds like a band trying desperately to be something they are not.
21st Century Breakdown -Like "American Idiot"- sounds forced. I give them alot of props for trying to do something different and change up their sound, but in the end the album loses it's flavor really quick and comes off as very generic.
The best songs are the ones that remind you of the Green Day of old, and not this lame ass "Genesis- prog-rock-look how much we've progressed as songwriters" bull crap trip that they've been on as late.
Green Day was a great band for making quick punky radio friendly songs about boogers, farts, and spitballs. Dookie was an honest record by an honest band...this one is just the product of over indulgence and is probably the biggest pile of over rated Dookie you'll hear all year.
Agree totally.
It is like people wanting PJ to always make albums like Ten.
I don't have a problem with GD changing their style of song and songwriting, they are grown men now not youngies.
The only thing I hated with GD was with the total makeover for AI, black eyeliner, red ties, black shirts, studded belts. That just made me cringe.
I just want them to be themselves of old when it comes to how they present themselves.
Oh my. I am going to apologize in advance for probably sounding like a dick in responding to your post. This is the exact mentality that is running this country into the ground. You want Green Day to fit into a nice, neat little box and produce the kind of music that first introduced you to them. You give them no permission to grow or to grow up. I pity people who engage with the world at 40 years old in the same way they did when they were 21. People like that haven't even bothered to live their lives. Seriously, you want the 40-year-olds singing about jerking off and farts? Really?
Green Day was a good band before American Idiot. Now they're a great band. They are making music that matters. They are branching out and growing as musicians and as human beings. There is nothing contrived about what they are doing. They see how fucked up things have become and feel obligated to comment on it. And thank goodness for that. American Idiot is a masterpiece. 21st Century Breakdown is in the same ballpark. It's filled with songs that convey poignant and profound social commentary. As depressing as that commentary might be, people need to hear it.
Adelaide 17/11/2009, Melbourne 20/11/2009, Sydney 22/11/2009, Melbourne (Big Day Out Festival) 24/01/2014
I'm on track 8 (first listen), seems like they have gone in a bit of a different direction, will take a few more listens i think. Lost the raw punkiness and gone kinda more alternative.
I'm on track 8 (first listen), seems like they have gone in a bit of a different direction, will take a few more listens i think. Lost the raw punkiness and gone kinda more alternative.
It didn't hit me the first listen, let it grow on you, by the 3rd listen you will love it.
Adelaide 17/11/2009, Melbourne 20/11/2009, Sydney 22/11/2009, Melbourne (Big Day Out Festival) 24/01/2014
Okay, I've given this a couple of spins and I'm really not digging this album at all. I really do not understand how the offices of Rolling Stone Magazine all getting all stiff and hard over this album. It's really not that good.
Green Day sounds like a band trying desperately to be something they are not.
21st Century Breakdown -Like "American Idiot"- sounds forced. I give them alot of props for trying to do something different and change up their sound, but in the end the album loses it's flavor really quick and comes off as very generic.
The best songs are the ones that remind you of the Green Day of old, and not this lame ass "Genesis- prog-rock-look how much we've progressed as songwriters" bull crap trip that they've been on as late.
Green Day was a great band for making quick punky radio friendly songs about boogers, farts, and spitballs. Dookie was an honest record by an honest band...this one is just the product of over indulgence and is probably the biggest pile of over rated Dookie you'll hear all year.
Oh my. I am going to apologize in advance for probably sounding like a dick in responding to your post. This is the exact mentality that is running this country into the ground. You want Green Day to fit into a nice, neat little box and produce the kind of music that first introduced you to them. You give them no permission to grow or to grow up. I pity people who engage with the world at 40 years old in the same way they did when they were 21. People like that haven't even bothered to live their lives. Seriously, you want the 40-year-olds singing about jerking off and farts? Really?
Green Day was a good band before American Idiot. Now they're a great band. They are making music that matters. They are branching out and growing as musicians and as human beings. There is nothing contrived about what they are doing. They see how fucked up things have become and feel obligated to comment on it. And thank goodness for that. American Idiot is a masterpiece. 21st Century Breakdown is in the same ballpark. It's filled with songs that convey poignant and profound social commentary. As depressing as that commentary might be, people need to hear it.
WRONG!!!!
You've completly missed my point.
I'm not saying that I want Green Day to keep making Dookie over and over again.
I'm not stuck in 1995, and could really give a rats ass what Green Day does.
All I'm saying is -and I'll put this as clear as I possibly can- that from listening to the last 2 albums, it's obvious that Green Day has comletley lost the plot. Instead of progressing and delveloping their sound in a logical honest direction, they've decided to head in the direction of generified over indulgent bullshit.
Rock Operas, and especially Rock Operas about the state of the world are FUCKING LAME not to mention...hardly anything new.
I'm glad that Billie Joe Armstrong and Tre Cool have decided to pick up a book now and then and get all inspired But I'm sorry...this is grade 1 level philosophical gibberish and it takes all the balls and fire away from what could have been some pretty cools riffs and music.
No matter which way you swing this, Green Day can never be taken serious as a political band; especially when Billie Joe is seen on the covers of magazines teasing his hair, and putting on eyeliner. Perhaps someday this waterhead will realize that if you are going to go around preaching about how shitty the world is, it may helps to not look like some pampered rich fashion whore.
It's kind of counteractive to the whole message.
But when you're selling this to teenagers...who really cares right?
Don't get me wrong, I like political punk as much as anyone.
The Clash and The Dead Kennedys were awesome at it, and did it the way it should have been done.
However...I BELIEVED THEM
I don't believe Green Day.
This music is not coming from an honest place.
It sounds forced and generic. They're preaching to the choir here with these sentiments.
This change of style is not artistic...It's just nothing more than a lame ass cash grab
I'm happy with growth and all. I encourage it and love it when a band trys something new.
But for Christ Sake...grow honestly and do it with some fucking class.
I thought Green Day's "mature, progressive sounding album" was Warning. It had adult themes, grown up songwriting, it had it's intricacies without overdoing it, and the band was still able to hold onto its signature pop-punk sound.
It sounded like a band genuinely growing up and moving forward.
American Idiot was good, but it was regressive. It was geared towards teenagers who are just becoming politically aware and whose immediate solution to anything political is peace, love, and harmony; Green Day capitalized on that. They didn't really provide anything profound because they were preaching generic liberal idioms to an already liberal chior. And the music was watered down in order to amplify the message being sent.
They bashed conservatism by sarcastically saying "everybody do the propaganda", but ironically, that's exactly what they did to naive liberal newcomers.
and 21st century breakdown seems to be a continuation of this facade of using simple anthemic rock to make stale complaints seem big and imminent to 16-21 year olds.
I tend to agree with a lot of this. As good as it was, there was something sellout-ish about AI. Notice it didn't come out in 2003, when Pearl Jam was getting booed off the stage in Denver and the Dixie Chicks were getting death threats.
It came out a year later, when public opinion had turned against the war and it was commercially safe to come out and protest. To me, they seemed to be capitalizing on the prevailing mood in society rather than reflecting or commenting on it.
Throw in the fact that this new "political insight" coincided with their ridiculous clothing/hair/appearance makeover and it seems so obvious now: They were trying to appeal to the kids. Good job. They are now the Jonas Brothers for adults. Ugh.
And you're right. Warning was a kick ass album. It just didn't sell well. Hence the need for the AI moneygrab.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
Okay, I've given this a couple of spins and I'm really not digging this album at all. I really do not understand how the offices of Rolling Stone Magazine all getting all stiff and hard over this album. It's really not that good.
Green Day sounds like a band trying desperately to be something they are not.
21st Century Breakdown -Like "American Idiot"- sounds forced. I give them alot of props for trying to do something different and change up their sound, but in the end the album loses it's flavor really quick and comes off as very generic.
The best songs are the ones that remind you of the Green Day of old, and not this lame ass "Genesis- prog-rock-look how much we've progressed as songwriters" bull crap trip that they've been on as late.
Green Day was a great band for making quick punky radio friendly songs about boogers, farts, and spitballs. Dookie was an honest record by an honest band...this one is just the product of over indulgence and is probably the biggest pile of over rated Dookie you'll hear all year.
Oh my. I am going to apologize in advance for probably sounding like a dick in responding to your post. This is the exact mentality that is running this country into the ground. You want Green Day to fit into a nice, neat little box and produce the kind of music that first introduced you to them. You give them no permission to grow or to grow up. I pity people who engage with the world at 40 years old in the same way they did when they were 21. People like that haven't even bothered to live their lives. Seriously, you want the 40-year-olds singing about jerking off and farts? Really?
Green Day was a good band before American Idiot. Now they're a great band. They are making music that matters. They are branching out and growing as musicians and as human beings. There is nothing contrived about what they are doing. They see how fucked up things have become and feel obligated to comment on it. And thank goodness for that. American Idiot is a masterpiece. 21st Century Breakdown is in the same ballpark. It's filled with songs that convey poignant and profound social commentary. As depressing as that commentary might be, people need to hear it.
WRONG!!!!
You've completly missed my point.
I'm not saying that I want Green Day to keep making Dookie over and over again.
I'm not stuck in 1995, and could really give a rats ass what Green Day does.
All I'm saying is -and I'll put this as clear as I possibly can- that from listening to the last 2 albums, it's obvious that Green Day has comletley lost the plot. Instead of progressing and delveloping their sound in a logical honest direction, they've decided to head in the direction of generified over indulgent bullshit.
Rock Operas, and especially Rock Operas about the state of the world are FUCKING LAME not to mention...hardly anything new.
I'm glad that Billie Joe Armstrong and Tre Cool have decided to pick up a book now and then and get all inspired But I'm sorry...this is grade 1 level philosophical gibberish and it takes all the balls and fire away from what could have been some pretty cools riffs and music.
No matter which way you swing this, Green Day can never be taken serious as a political band; especially when Billie Joe is seen on the covers of magazines teasing his hair, and putting on eyeliner. Perhaps someday this waterhead will realize that if you are going to go around preaching about how shitty the world is, it may helps to not look like some rich style drunk fashion whore.
Kind of ruins the message.
Don't get me wrong, I like political punk as much as anyone.
The Clash and The Dead Kennedys were awesome and did it the way it should have been done.
Pete Townshend did the same with Tommy and Quadrophenia.
However...I BELIEVED THEM
I don't believe Green Day. This music is not coming from an honest place.
It sounds forced and generic. I'm happy with growth and all
But for Christ Sake...grow honestly.
This is my favorite post on this thread. Congratulations.
Like I said earlier, I was willing to spot them American Idiot. I think people tend to overglorify it because "ha ha! It's so anti-Bush," but it's still a decent record.
Then I heard a few tracks from this new album and it's like, "Still with this? Really?"
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
Listened to the album once all the way through today. It sounded pretty solid. I'll have to have a few more listens before I can form my full opinion on it.
I love how everyone around here always says that a band "sells out", etc... whenever a band gets huge. Green Day tried something different with American Idiot and the whole thing just fucking blew up. AI didn't sound so much different than their previous albums. They put together a "rock opera" or whatever you want to call it and people responded to it. I thought it was a great album and they deserve all the props/awards/$$$ that came with it. It really pisses me off how people automatically assume that a band has turned into money-hungry sell-outs just because they have a hit record.
Listened to the album once all the way through today. It sounded pretty solid. I'll have to have a few more listens before I can form my full opinion on it.
I love how everyone around here always says that a band "sells out", etc... whenever a band gets huge. Green Day tried something different with American Idiot and the whole thing just fucking blew up. AI didn't sound so much different than their previous albums. They put together a "rock opera" or whatever you want to call it and people responded to it. I thought it was a great album and they deserve all the props/awards/$$$ that came with it. It really pisses me off how people automatically assume that a band has turned into money-hungry sell-outs just because they have a hit record.
I think I explained myself pretty well. My qualms have NOTHING to do with having a hit record. Absolutely nothing. Go back and re-read. I'll wait.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
Listened to the album once all the way through today. It sounded pretty solid. I'll have to have a few more listens before I can form my full opinion on it.
I love how everyone around here always says that a band "sells out", etc... whenever a band gets huge. Green Day tried something different with American Idiot and the whole thing just fucking blew up. AI didn't sound so much different than their previous albums. They put together a "rock opera" or whatever you want to call it and people responded to it. I thought it was a great album and they deserve all the props/awards/$$$ that came with it. It really pisses me off how people automatically assume that a band has turned into money-hungry sell-outs just because they have a hit record.
cause green day did turn into a money hungry sell outs. like someone else mentioned pj and the dixie chicks did the anti war thing from the heart and not to be cool. green day did it cause it was the popular thing to do in 04 and they whored themselves out to the max. i may not agree with them jumping on the anti war/anti bush thing but i always respect green day for sticking to what they believe in and not giving a shit what people think. to me that;s the most punk thing you can do. this new album hasn't sunk in for me yet. i dont really like rock opera just cause they seem cheesy and copy cats of bands from the past. but i give green day for being ballsy and not putting out the same retread crap like bands like nickleback and others of today do. warning is green days best album besides 38 sloppy smooth
Ron: I just don't feel like going out tonight
Sammi: Wanna just break up?
I don't care if other people like or don't like 'Green Day'... i happen to like them.
...
And i just scored a ticket to the warm-up show at the Fonda Theater on June 4th and am very happy about that turn of events.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
I don't care if other people like or don't like 'Green Day'... i happen to like them.
...
And i just scored a ticket to the warm-up show at the Fonda Theater on June 4th and am very happy about that turn of events.
Oh, I still like Green Day. I just find their music and makeover since 2004 to be kind of ... offputting.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
I picked this up and so far it's pretty underwhelming. I don't have a problem with them doing the rock opera thing, as long as it's good.
American Idiot was a solid record. Much better when you listen to it all the way though. This new one though . . . I'm not so sure about it. It's seems pretty watered down and safe.
The MUSIC on both albums is very good. Do you think that writing pop rock songs is easy? The only thing at question here for me is Green Day's integrity because they are making music that I like. It's not like we're talking about Nickleback or Creed here...
I've been digesting it for two weeks now. While I don't think there's anything quite as good as "Jesus of Suburbia," and I think it has three or four songs I would have cut, I think it's superior to the last record.
"They said ... timing was everything
made him ... want to be everywhere
there's a ... lot to be said for nowhere."
Oh my. I am going to apologize in advance for probably sounding like a dick in responding to your post. This is the exact mentality that is running this country into the ground. You want Green Day to fit into a nice, neat little box and produce the kind of music that first introduced you to them. You give them no permission to grow or to grow up. I pity people who engage with the world at 40 years old in the same way they did when they were 21. People like that haven't even bothered to live their lives. Seriously, you want the 40-year-olds singing about jerking off and farts? Really?
Green Day was a good band before American Idiot. Now they're a great band. They are making music that matters. They are branching out and growing as musicians and as human beings. There is nothing contrived about what they are doing. They see how fucked up things have become and feel obligated to comment on it. And thank goodness for that. American Idiot is a masterpiece. 21st Century Breakdown is in the same ballpark. It's filled with songs that convey poignant and profound social commentary. As depressing as that commentary might be, people need to hear it.
well said....and this can also be said of the people who are stuck in 1995 regarding pearl jam
pearl jam didn't start wearing guy-liner after 1995...just sayin
"Well, I think this band is incapable of sucking."
-my dad after hearing Not for You for the first time on SNL .
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Judging from the two songs they played on SNL, they sure are hammering the same themes as they did in American Idiot Part 1, no?
for the least they could possibly do
Favs so far are; (both) Viva la Gloria's, Horseshoes and handgrenades, Murder city, and East Jesus nowhere.
they all seem to sound like something I've heard before but it is still good.
Green Day sounds like a band trying desperately to be something they are not.
21st Century Breakdown -Like "American Idiot"- sounds forced. I give them alot of props for trying to do something different and change up their sound, but in the end the album loses it's flavor really quick and comes off as very generic.
The best songs are the ones that remind you of the Green Day of old, and not this lame ass "Genesis- prog-rock-look how much we've progressed as songwriters" bull crap trip that they've been on as late.
Green Day was a great band for making quick punky radio friendly songs about boogers, farts, and spitballs. Dookie was an honest record by an honest band...this one is just the product of over indulgence and is probably the biggest pile of over rated Dookie you'll hear all year.
Oh my. I am going to apologize in advance for probably sounding like a dick in responding to your post. This is the exact mentality that is running this country into the ground. You want Green Day to fit into a nice, neat little box and produce the kind of music that first introduced you to them. You give them no permission to grow or to grow up. I pity people who engage with the world at 40 years old in the same way they did when they were 21. People like that haven't even bothered to live their lives. Seriously, you want the 40-year-olds singing about jerking off and farts? Really?
Green Day was a good band before American Idiot. Now they're a great band. They are making music that matters. They are branching out and growing as musicians and as human beings. There is nothing contrived about what they are doing. They see how fucked up things have become and feel obligated to comment on it. And thank goodness for that. American Idiot is a masterpiece. 21st Century Breakdown is in the same ballpark. It's filled with songs that convey poignant and profound social commentary. As depressing as that commentary might be, people need to hear it.
well said....and this can also be said of the people who are stuck in 1995 regarding pearl jam
The problem with Green Day, however, is that this "growth" is completely manufactured.
"Hey, people hate Bush now! Let's make an entire rock opera about how much he sucks!" Enter American Idiot, which I thought was OK, if overindulgent.
Then, "Hey, people liked our last rock opera about how much Bush sucks. It made us a lot of money. Let's make another one!"
So fucking transparent.
And don't even get me started on why in the hell Billie Joe has decided to try and look like Robert Smith's bastard son. What the fuck is that about?
I like Green Day, and always have, but I just find them to be exhausting nowadays. The reason most people liked Green Day was because they served as an escape from heavy music. They were all farts and boogers and such. Listening them sing about their heavy political commentary these days is akin to going to see a Will Ferrell movie, and it turns out to be a remake of Sophie's Choice.
Green Day is free to evolve all they want. And I am free to think they suck now.
for the least they could possibly do
The problem with Green Day, however, is that this "growth" is completely manufactured.
"Hey, people hate Bush now! Let's make an entire rock opera about how much he sucks!" Enter American Idiot, which I thought was OK, if overindulgent.
Then, "Hey, people liked our last rock opera about how much Bush sucks. It made us a lot of money. Let's make another one!"
So fucking transparent.
And don't even get me started on why in the hell Billie Joe has decided to try and look like Robert Smith's bastard son. What the fuck is that about?
I like Green Day, and always have, but I just find them to be exhausting nowadays. The reason most people liked Green Day was because they served as an escape from heavy music. They were all farts and boogers and such. Listening them sing about their heavy political commentary these days is akin to going to see a Will Ferrell movie, and it turns out to be a remake of Sophie's Choice.
It's like the punk kid next door who spent the summer making armpit noises and whacking off, and then goes to one semester of college and decides to lecture you about the world. Fucking snot nosed little know-it-all fucker. I hate that fucker.
Green Day is free to evolve all they want. And I am free to think they suck now.
for the least they could possibly do
It sounded like a band genuinely growing up and moving forward.
American Idiot was good, but it was regressive. It was geared towards teenagers who are just becoming politically aware and whose immediate solution to anything political is peace, love, and harmony; Green Day capitalized on that. They didn't really provide anything profound because they were preaching generic liberal idioms to an already liberal chior. And the music was watered down in order to amplify the message being sent.
They bashed conservatism by sarcastically saying "everybody do the propaganda", but ironically, that's exactly what they did to naive liberal newcomers.
and 21st century breakdown seems to be a continuation of this facade of using simple anthemic rock to make stale complaints seem big and imminent to 16-21 year olds.
I just want another Dookie because i don't think that album has a bad song on it, Nimrod is pretty sharp too.
AI was more geared to the Bush administration and Iraq war.
The new album is more social commentary from the perspective of young adults in our modern times.
made him ... want to be everywhere
there's a ... lot to be said for nowhere."
It didn't hit me the first listen, let it grow on you, by the 3rd listen you will love it.
WRONG!!!!
You've completly missed my point.
I'm not saying that I want Green Day to keep making Dookie over and over again.
I'm not stuck in 1995, and could really give a rats ass what Green Day does.
All I'm saying is -and I'll put this as clear as I possibly can- that from listening to the last 2 albums, it's obvious that Green Day has comletley lost the plot. Instead of progressing and delveloping their sound in a logical honest direction, they've decided to head in the direction of generified over indulgent bullshit.
Rock Operas, and especially Rock Operas about the state of the world are FUCKING LAME not to mention...hardly anything new.
I'm glad that Billie Joe Armstrong and Tre Cool have decided to pick up a book now and then and get all inspired But I'm sorry...this is grade 1 level philosophical gibberish and it takes all the balls and fire away from what could have been some pretty cools riffs and music.
No matter which way you swing this, Green Day can never be taken serious as a political band; especially when Billie Joe is seen on the covers of magazines teasing his hair, and putting on eyeliner. Perhaps someday this waterhead will realize that if you are going to go around preaching about how shitty the world is, it may helps to not look like some pampered rich fashion whore.
It's kind of counteractive to the whole message.
But when you're selling this to teenagers...who really cares right?
Don't get me wrong, I like political punk as much as anyone.
The Clash and The Dead Kennedys were awesome at it, and did it the way it should have been done.
However...I BELIEVED THEM
I don't believe Green Day.
This music is not coming from an honest place.
It sounds forced and generic. They're preaching to the choir here with these sentiments.
This change of style is not artistic...It's just nothing more than a lame ass cash grab
I'm happy with growth and all. I encourage it and love it when a band trys something new.
But for Christ Sake...grow honestly and do it with some fucking class.
I tend to agree with a lot of this. As good as it was, there was something sellout-ish about AI. Notice it didn't come out in 2003, when Pearl Jam was getting booed off the stage in Denver and the Dixie Chicks were getting death threats.
It came out a year later, when public opinion had turned against the war and it was commercially safe to come out and protest. To me, they seemed to be capitalizing on the prevailing mood in society rather than reflecting or commenting on it.
Throw in the fact that this new "political insight" coincided with their ridiculous clothing/hair/appearance makeover and it seems so obvious now: They were trying to appeal to the kids. Good job. They are now the Jonas Brothers for adults. Ugh.
And you're right. Warning was a kick ass album. It just didn't sell well. Hence the need for the AI moneygrab.
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This is my favorite post on this thread. Congratulations.
Like I said earlier, I was willing to spot them American Idiot. I think people tend to overglorify it because "ha ha! It's so anti-Bush," but it's still a decent record.
Then I heard a few tracks from this new album and it's like, "Still with this? Really?"
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I love how everyone around here always says that a band "sells out", etc... whenever a band gets huge. Green Day tried something different with American Idiot and the whole thing just fucking blew up. AI didn't sound so much different than their previous albums. They put together a "rock opera" or whatever you want to call it and people responded to it. I thought it was a great album and they deserve all the props/awards/$$$ that came with it. It really pisses me off how people automatically assume that a band has turned into money-hungry sell-outs just because they have a hit record.
I think I explained myself pretty well. My qualms have NOTHING to do with having a hit record. Absolutely nothing. Go back and re-read. I'll wait.
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And i just scored a ticket to the warm-up show at the Fonda Theater on June 4th and am very happy about that turn of events.
Hail, Hail!!!
Oh, I still like Green Day. I just find their music and makeover since 2004 to be kind of ... offputting.
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American Idiot was a solid record. Much better when you listen to it all the way though. This new one though . . . I'm not so sure about it. It's seems pretty watered down and safe.
made him ... want to be everywhere
there's a ... lot to be said for nowhere."
pearl jam didn't start wearing guy-liner after 1995...just sayin
-my dad after hearing Not for You for the first time on SNL .