why doesn't pj just seat general admission floor?

ajedigecko

i believe you understand.....and i have never been to a show outside of the united states.

as for scenerio 3, that you proposed.....that is likely the case, at the concert.

i find it amusing when others, for reasons unknown to me, decide that an individual who would like to enjoy themselves without worry of injury, is for some reason below the others or percieved as "not into it".

my seats have been in the back, middle, and front..........and each time the amount of people singing along, equal.

so...........be different, have a mosh pit in the back, middle, the front is cliche'.

hell have a mosh pit outside the show........that would be different, because after all it is "about the music"

or................ do "mosh pits" want it to be about "the music and look at me" i do not give a mouse dick about the possibility of injuring another person?

pdalowsky

ajedigecko wrote:

i believe you understand.....and i have never been to a show outside of the united states.

as for scenerio 3, that you proposed.....that is likely the case, at the concert.

i find it amusing when others, for reasons unknown to me, decide that an individual who would like to enjoy themselves without worry of injury, is for some reason below the others or percieved as "not into it".

my seats have been in the back, middle, and front..........and each time the amount of people singing along, equal.

so...........be different, have a mosh pit in the back, middle, the front is cliche'.

hell have a mosh pit outside the show........that would be different, because after all it is "about the music"

or................ do "mosh pits" want it to be about "the music and look at me" i do not give a mouse dick about the possibility of injuring another person?

i understand what you say, so we agree that scenario 3 is the way forward? believe me GA gives that scenario and more.

You are generalising far too much in your statements, I think you are confirming you havent seen PJ on a GA basis so how can you comment on the crowd? Its not your standard ape shit punk rock crowd one bit, its quite a considered audience from my experience. You havent seen the band outside the USA but have you seen IIC? now tell me you dont want to be a part of that experience at those shows, to be a part of that energy as compared to the footage of that US 2000 tour....Really it doesnt compare.

I've done seated and GA for many a rock band, and although I often get a little out of the way of more itolerable idiots at the insane shows and stand a little back, GA produces for me a much better atmosphere.

I do fully understand what you say about injury - but I think this is so so unikely at a PJ show these days.

I was at rancid two years ago though, and that wasnt true there, that show was mental, and full of nutjobs intent on ruffing everyone up in a 2 metre radius of them

ajedigecko

pdalowsky wrote:

ajedigecko wrote:

i believe you understand.....and i have never been to a show outside of the united states.

as for scenerio 3, that you proposed.....that is likely the case, at the concert.

i find it amusing when others, for reasons unknown to me, decide that an individual who would like to enjoy themselves without worry of injury, is for some reason below the others or percieved as "not into it".

my seats have been in the back, middle, and front..........and each time the amount of people singing along, equal.

so...........be different, have a mosh pit in the back, middle, the front is cliche'.

hell have a mosh pit outside the show........that would be different, because after all it is "about the music"

or................ do "mosh pits" want it to be about "the music and look at me" i do not give a mouse dick about the possibility of injuring another person?

i understand what you say, so we agree that scenario 3 is the way forward? believe me GA gives that scenario and more.

You are generalising far too much in your statements, I think you are confirming you havent seen PJ on a GA basis so how can you comment on the crowd? Its not your standard ape shit punk rock crowd one bit, its quite a considered audience from my experience. You havent seen the band outside the USA but have you seen IIC? now tell me you dont want to be a part of that experience at those shows, to be a part of that energy as compared to the footage of that US 2000 tour....Really it doesnt compare.

I've done seated and GA for many a rock band, and although I often get a little out of the way of more itolerable idiots at the insane shows and stand a little back, GA produces for me a much better atmosphere.

I do fully understand what you say about injury - but I think this is so so unikely at a PJ show these days.

I was at rancid two years ago though, and that wasnt true there, that show was mental, and full of nutjobs intent on ruffing everyone up in a 2 metre radius of them

no generalizations here...................my first show was ga in 93.

up front.........thought i wanted to crowd surf and experience the atmosphere.

well, i feel someone pulling on my leg, looked down and see a girl looking up at me, screaming for her life, looking me directly in the eye and asking for help. all i could say is "GET UP"....this is all i could do because i was holding the "moshers" off of her, from my direction.

i am sure she ended up ok.......because there was no news about a severe injury. regardless, the look on her face........was death. scares me to this day.

now......if you have some "code of conduct" or "more civilized" way.........good deal.

pdalowsky

ajedigecko wrote:

pdalowsky wrote:

ajedigecko wrote:

i believe you understand.....and i have never been to a show outside of the united states.

as for scenerio 3, that you proposed.....that is likely the case, at the concert.

i find it amusing when others, for reasons unknown to me, decide that an individual who would like to enjoy themselves without worry of injury, is for some reason below the others or percieved as "not into it".

my seats have been in the back, middle, and front..........and each time the amount of people singing along, equal.

so...........be different, have a mosh pit in the back, middle, the front is cliche'.

hell have a mosh pit outside the show........that would be different, because after all it is "about the music"

or................ do "mosh pits" want it to be about "the music and look at me" i do not give a mouse dick about the possibility of injuring another person?

i understand what you say, so we agree that scenario 3 is the way forward? believe me GA gives that scenario and more.

You are generalising far too much in your statements, I think you are confirming you havent seen PJ on a GA basis so how can you comment on the crowd? Its not your standard ape shit punk rock crowd one bit, its quite a considered audience from my experience. You havent seen the band outside the USA but have you seen IIC? now tell me you dont want to be a part of that experience at those shows, to be a part of that energy as compared to the footage of that US 2000 tour....Really it doesnt compare.

I've done seated and GA for many a rock band, and although I often get a little out of the way of more itolerable idiots at the insane shows and stand a little back, GA produces for me a much better atmosphere.

I do fully understand what you say about injury - but I think this is so so unikely at a PJ show these days.

I was at rancid two years ago though, and that wasnt true there, that show was mental, and full of nutjobs intent on ruffing everyone up in a 2 metre radius of them

no generalizations here...................my first show was ga in 93.

up front.........thought i wanted to crowd surf and experience the atmosphere.

well, i feel someone pulling on my leg, looked down and see a girl looking up at me, screaming for her life, looking me directly in the eye and asking for help. all i could say is "GET UP"....this is all i could do because i was holding the "moshers" off of her, from my direction.

i am sure she ended up ok.......because there was no news about a severe injury. regardless, the look on her face........was death. scares me to this day.

now......if you have some "code of conduct" or "more civilized" way.........good deal.

Thats a fair comment, but it was also 16 years ago, I mean Eddie was slightly nuts back then too.

Thats the kinda thing you still get at RATM shows, Rancid shows, or anythign remotely hardcore, it really doesnt occur now at a PJ show...

I think we got into this by the comment that it was to show the band 'how into it we are'....I think although you were meaning that with some sarcasm, I think its right that anyone who tries to get to the front and sing every word, is trying to do that, and to be fair I have no trouble with that, and I know for one that the band like to see that...Mike has said so himself in the past, and even recognises familiar faces etc...

ajedigecko

if it is about "recognizing faces up front"...............the complaint should be directed at people who go to all of the shows.

but that would be a childish complaint, as well.....i can see/hear it now.

"stop going to all the shows and just standing there"

pdalowsky

ajedigecko wrote:

if it is about "recognizing faces up front"...............the complaint should be directed at people who go to all of the shows.

but that would be a childish complaint, as well.....i can see/hear it now.

"stop going to all the shows and just standing there"

no no no, Mike even recognises people in the Euro tours in the GA, hes got a real keen eye for those who go every night.....he recognises them because they having a blast

strummers

I don't understand moshing in as far as trying to cause damage to people and not paying any attention to what's happening on stage!

I love GA, love being up front, love feeing off the energy of the band and the crowd and love rocking out - but that doesn't constitute me pushing people, kicking people, elbowing or hitting people!! People just need to have a bit of respect for those around you - especially small people! I almost passed out at Wembley and had to move back because someone had their elbow pressed into my neck. They weren't being particularly rowdy, but it was quite a crush and they were rather tall and couldn't get their arms back down so their elbow ended up pushing into my neck.

Bring on the rock, I'll be up front and on the barrier at as many PJ shows as I can and I love that there's a chance for anyone to get up front if they're willing to put the time in.

Wouldn't change it to seating at all - I just need to make sure I get there early enough to get room on the barrier - you have no problems at all that way - maybe one or two bruises, but nothing to complain about!

ajedigecko

pdalowsky wrote:

ajedigecko wrote:

if it is about "recognizing faces up front"...............the complaint should be directed at people who go to all of the shows.

but that would be a childish complaint, as well.....i can see/hear it now.

"stop going to all the shows and just standing there"

no no no, Mike even recognises people in the Euro tours in the GA, hes got a real keen eye for those who go every night.....he recognises them because they having a blast

i understand, but it is equally worth realizing........................some people do not care to be recongnized.

phungi

I was at one of the Borgata shows in AC, which had an open floor and a set of bleachers in the back. Having seen PJ in 1992, this was the first time I got to re-experience the energy of a GA venue and crowd.

Definitely among my best concert-going experiences.

Since my 10c # is 284xxx, and I don't get very close to the stage on 10c tix, I prefer GA but understand how others do not feel the same way due to comfort/security/aggression, etc.

Wilds

phungi wrote:

I was at one of the Borgata shows in AC, which had an open floor and a set of bleachers in the back. Having seen PJ in 1992, this was the first time I got to re-experience the energy of a GA venue and crowd.

Definitely among my best concert-going experiences.

Since my 10c # is 284xxx, and I don't get very close to the stage on 10c tix, I prefer GA but understand how others do not feel the same way due to comfort/security/aggression, etc.

Great post. Really sums it up.

Some like it some don't.

The band feeds off the crowd energy. Some shows bring a lot, be it GA or not, and some don't.

Gary Carter

ajedigecko wrote:

if it is about "recognizing faces up front"...............the complaint should be directed at people who go to all of the shows.

this point was made by ed i think in 06. he said something like dont you people have lives or jobs or fucking to do. there was more to the rant but the crowd laughed it up but reallymed was pissed. its no surprise grand rapids 06 wasnt a fuck up at all it was to test the waters of the lottery. like i said in a previous post the band should give us middle numbers and higher numbers the front 10 rows for concerts. i'm sure the band would love to see new faces enjoying the musice and not standing there eating while ed and the rest of the boys are sweating there ass's off.

Bugs29

I don't understand the people on here who are describing pits with kicking, elbowing, shoving, being knocked down and trampled...what the hell??? It's not a testosterone injected aggressive fit, just people dancing, jumping, screaming and loving life...there is no aggression, just love and fun! Since there are many people on the floor the crowd will shift and you will move out of place...and there are surfers but everyone is so considerate it's a comical irony... And there is no beer being spilled because everyone is having too much fun to be wasting their time drinking and eating... Obviously you have never seen a modern day GA show....

strummers

RM181658 wrote:

I don't understand the people on here who are describing pits with kicking, elbowing, shoving, being knocked down and trampled...what the hell??? It's not a testosterone injected aggressive fit, just people dancing, jumping, screaming and loving life...there is no aggression, just love and fun! Since there are many people on the floor the crowd will shift and you will move out of place...and there are surfers but everyone is so considerate it's a comical irony... And there is no beer being spilled because everyone is having too much fun to be wasting their time drinking and eating... Obviously you have never seen a modern day GA show....

I go to a lot of GA shows a year (between 20-40 most years) and there can be a lot of aggression, obviously depending on the band.

Don't mind people jumping, dancing, surfing, being pushed with the crowd from one side to the other at all! Unfortunatley it's not always like that.

For example - went to see a band in York last year and was on the barrier at the side. There were a group of people behind pushing, shoving, elbowing the people on the barrier in the back and worst of all deliberately trying to kick away the legs of those leaning on the barrier. The bruises I had after that gig were so bad it was unbelievable! Yeah I could have moved,but I didn't want the gits to get the better of me (and I'm a 5.2" girl!). That's what I hate about 'moshing'. For those who want to dance, jump and get lost in gthe music I@m totally all for that - you can go mental and still have respect for those around you!

Luckily the VAST majority of people on the floor at PJ gigs do have respect!

redrock

ajedigecko wrote:

... a mosh pit ...

... have a mosh pit ....

..."mosh pits"

Why is it automatically assumed that standing GA, ie the pit, is a 'mosh' pit. That's just not the case with PJ.

Go see some of the metal bands... now we're talking mosh!

ajedigecko

metsfan wrote:

ajedigecko wrote:

if it is about "recognizing faces up front"...............the complaint should be directed at people who go to all of the shows.

this point was made by ed i think in 06. he said something like dont you people have lives or jobs or fucking to do. there was more to the rant but the crowd laughed it up but reallymed was pissed. its no surprise grand rapids 06 wasnt a fuck up at all it was to test the waters of the lottery. like i said in a previous post the band should give us middle numbers and higher numbers the front 10 rows for concerts. i'm sure the band would love to see new faces enjoying the musice and not standing there eating while ed and the rest of the boys are sweating there ass's off.

the band would see new faces........if people did not go to every show.

as for giving the middle/higher numbers the first 10 rows..........i disagree.

Bugs29

can someone please take the time to explain to me why paying $10-$20 a year since 1991, or whenever you joined, reserves you the right to attend every single show in the first few rows????? the only possible way it makes sense is that all that accumulated money (a whopping $300 max) bought you some stock in Pearl Jam and now you own some rights...
It would make a lot of sense if everyone had equal opportunity, which of course is impossible since this whole concept is time dependent (ie some people were not even born back then), and there are limited spaces available.......ugh. How can anyone justify something so stupid
Furthermore, 10C realizes this, that's why they came up with the lottery...at this point i think they're just too scared to abolish the whole thing, they'd get death threats from people who've looked up ed's nostrils for at least 50 shows....

Satans Red Mosquito

I live in the southeast, and trust there would be no mosh pits, we are southern gents around here for the most part. I saw the Foo Fighter's in Memphis and was on the floor in the pit and I think there was maybe 1 mosh pit of about 4 ppl. Everybody else was just enjoying the show. I went to the Rites of Spring Fest at Vandy, and the only crowd surfing and moshing was because N.E.R.D. kept saying and encouraging moshing and crowd surfing.

ajedigecko

RM181658 wrote:

can someone please take the time to explain to me why paying $10-$20 a year since 1991, or whenever you joined, reserves you the right to attend every single show in the first few rows????? the only possible way it makes sense is that all that accumulated money (a whopping $300 max) bought you some stock in Pearl Jam and now you own some rights...
It would make a lot of sense if everyone had equal opportunity, which of course is impossible since this whole concept is time dependent (ie some people were not even born back then), and there are limited spaces available.......ugh. How can anyone justify something so stupid
Furthermore, 10C realizes this, that's why they came up with the lottery...at this point i think they're just too scared to abolish the whole thing, they'd get death threats from people who've looked up ed's nostrils for at least 50 shows....

easy....10c implemented seniority. as for the lottery, correct me if i am wrong, but a fan on here submitted the idea of the lottery and 10c liked it.

Bugs29

ajedigecko wrote:

RM181658 wrote:

can someone please take the time to explain to me why paying $10-$20 a year since 1991, or whenever you joined, reserves you the right to attend every single show in the first few rows????? the only possible way it makes sense is that all that accumulated money (a whopping $300 max) bought you some stock in Pearl Jam and now you own some rights...
It would make a lot of sense if everyone had equal opportunity, which of course is impossible since this whole concept is time dependent (ie some people were not even born back then), and there are limited spaces available.......ugh. How can anyone justify something so stupid
Furthermore, 10C realizes this, that's why they came up with the lottery...at this point i think they're just too scared to abolish the whole thing, they'd get death threats from people who've looked up ed's nostrils for at least 50 shows....

easy....10c implemented seniority. as for the lottery, correct me if i am wrong, but a fan on here submitted the idea of the lottery and 10c liked it.

What is seniority, and how can justify such a concept that's laid down on an unequal foundation? Example: It's not like it's a team where eventually the rookies replace the veterans that retire, leaving the new rookies to clean up the locker room the way the vets used to do. That will never happen because we are stuck with you until eventually you die of old age or the band breaks up.....so, using this example to illustrate my theory you can SURELY see the concept of seniority does not apply here. If pearl jam was immortal then it would make sense, we would simply just wait until your membership expires (which would never happen; even at age 80 all of you would hold on to your precious numbers simply out of principal, and then somehow have your children inherit the number, and their children and their children-really we have NO choice)
Look...I don't want to attack you personally, you just happen to be one of the thousands that would give an identical response to me, and really my aim is to make at least 1 person aware; it all pisses me off that i can't get good tickets, especially for a reason that makes no sense!

ajedigecko

RM181658 wrote:

ajedigecko wrote:

RM181658 wrote:

can someone please take the time to explain to me why paying $10-$20 a year since 1991, or whenever you joined, reserves you the right to attend every single show in the first few rows????? the only possible way it makes sense is that all that accumulated money (a whopping $300 max) bought you some stock in Pearl Jam and now you own some rights...
It would make a lot of sense if everyone had equal opportunity, which of course is impossible since this whole concept is time dependent (ie some people were not even born back then), and there are limited spaces available.......ugh. How can anyone justify something so stupid
Furthermore, 10C realizes this, that's why they came up with the lottery...at this point i think they're just too scared to abolish the whole thing, they'd get death threats from people who've looked up ed's nostrils for at least 50 shows....

easy....10c implemented seniority. as for the lottery, correct me if i am wrong, but a fan on here submitted the idea of the lottery and 10c liked it.

you missed the point...you wrote something but that's not the answer, and i don't think you even know, to be honest. What is seniority, and how can justify such a concept laid down on an unequal foundation? It makes NO sense! I don't want to instigate you personally, you just happen to be one of the thousands that would give an identical response, and really my aim is to make at least 1 person aware, and mostly it pisses me off that i can't get good tickets, especially for a reason that makes no sense...if it did, I would accept it and move on

i suppose i am missing the concept. senority, to me, seems to be a simple concept as i understand it. it is quite possible that we have a different understanding of senoirity.

i simply look at it, the way i view all organized institutions.......someone will always have something better.

being pissed about "good tickets" and concerened about "unequal foundation"......i can understand about the "good tickets" but have no understanding about "unequal foundation".

please elaborate on "unequal foundation"?