Ed's letter bout xmas single

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darthvedder81 wrote:

It's nice to get an update from Ed but why does literally every statement/interview/communication with every member of PJ (sans maybe Matt) now involve some sort of political posturing? Does that not strike anyone else as odd? I'm not a newbie, I know Ed's always been a political guy but it's gotten past the point of ridiculous the last 3-5 years. Yeah, we all know you're excited about Obama and want to free the WM3 blah blah blah. You don't need to restate that over and over again. I'm a pretty opinionated guy but even I give it a rest once in a while as do most normal non-ideologically rabid people.

to use the quote that Ed borrowed in his letter: “constant pressure, endlessly applied!”

Vedder_Girl77

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

great letter...

until Ed had to mention the 3 CONVICTED child murderers..............

jesus fucking christ..............

Just because someone is convicted, it does not mean that they are guilty. A lot of innocent people who are wrongly accused go to jail.

This is something that Ed believes strongly in. We are under no obligation to donate money or write letters he is simply updating us on the case.

cincybearcat

JordyWordy wrote:

And Speedy, even if they were guilty, at no point in the whole case have they been treated with justice or fair procedures. You ever read up on the details of the charges & convictions??

Pffft, since when does convicted = guilty?? Open your mind.

True, convicted doesn't mean that they did it. But I see Speedy's frustration.

And I do have a MAJOR issue with the part of your post that I quoted. If they killed a kid, I don't give a damn about "fair procedures"....if they are truly guilty I don't care how they are treated so long as it's poorly.

So, if they aren't guilty it's a terrible tragedy for them. If they are guilty, any kind of decency is WAY to good for them.

pdalowsky

cincybearcat wrote:

JordyWordy wrote:

And Speedy, even if they were guilty, at no point in the whole case have they been treated with justice or fair procedures. You ever read up on the details of the charges & convictions??

Pffft, since when does convicted = guilty?? Open your mind.

True, convicted doesn't mean that they did it. But I see Speedy's frustration.

And I do have a MAJOR issue with the part of your post that I quoted. If they killed a kid, I don't give a damn about "fair procedures"....if they are truly guilty I don't care how they are treated so long as it's poorly.

So, if they aren't guilty it's a terrible tragedy for them. If they are guilty, any kind of decency is WAY to good for them.

you know however much this flies in the face of our civil liberties and fundamental freedoms, I have to agree wholeheartedly about this, maybe its not possible in a democracy but the sentiment is there, and for me correct.

Someone states above, what if it was your ass in jail?

well lets turn that around, what if it was your kid? would you be so concerned about judicial fairness then?

I'm not saying I have a clue about the innocence of these men, and I for one would horrified if they have done 14 years for something they had nothing to do with, however something tells me that they will have used the appeal process many a time already unsuccessfully...what with DNA evidence and the likes these days surely they could get off if they had anything to go off? Obviosuly I should read the case before going further.

But yeah I agree with the above very much so, I would hate to think how many peados and killers are roaming our streets due to glitches in the law, loopholes, or mistrials etc.....if they get the right man, I really couldnt give a damn about the process used, I know this is unworkable but boy it makes some sense, although it is a big 'IF'

Kilgore_Trout

JordyWordy wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

hi,,what abot the thing with the 3 CONVICTED child murderers and eddie?who are they?
im from greece and not familiar with this story...

pdalowsky wrote:

Yes I'm not either but would like to know more...any chance Speedy at a little information?
I get the message that you are not fond, so try to be impartial and deliver the info

http://www.wm3.org/

These 3 men were controversially arrested for murders in 1993. There has been a long campaign to free them, because the evidence against them was not clear, and other suspects were not investigated properly. The website tells it pretty well. Damien Echols (the one sentenced to death) has become friends with Eddie, and he co-wrote Army Reserve.

And Speedy, even if they were guilty, at no point in the whole case have they been treated with justice or fair procedures. You ever read up on the details of the charges & convictions??

Pffft, since when does convicted = guilty?? Open your mind.

i think the same thing happened to this guy

pdalowsky

is that John Coffee?

Kilgore_Trout

pdalowsky wrote:

is that John Coffee?

gimme yo hands boss

lehuanmkk

Just wanted to say that I appreciate the letter from Ed. And I appreciate all that Pearl Jam has done to make a difference in this chaotic world. It is a breath of fresh air and quite refreshing. Although new to this forum, not new to the activism of protecting the planet, the places, spaces and people that add to the quality of life. Will do my part to support the effort. As we in Hawaii say, Imua! (Forward!) Sad that I won't be able to make any of the concerts here in Hawaii in June and July this time, but will be there in spirit and hope to be able to go next time.

Kilgore_Trout

lehuanmkk wrote:

Just wanted to say that I appreciate the letter from Ed. And I appreciate all that Pearl Jam has done to make a difference in this chaotic world. It is a breath of fresh air and quite refreshing. Although new to this forum, not new to the activism of protecting the planet, the places, spaces and people that add to the quality of life. Will do my part to support the effort. As we in Hawaii say, Imua! (Forward!) Sad that I won't be able to make any of the concerts here in Hawaii in June and July this time, but will be there in spirit and hope to be able to go next time.

aloha! make yourself at home

SPEEDY MCCREADY

Im glad that Mr. Vedder gave us Damien Echols address in prison....SO we can all write Mr. Echols a letter...

Because i would be glad to write Mr. Echols a letter and let him know that a hope he ROTS IN PRISON...

FOR MURDERING and MUTILATING little boys......

I would be glad to let Mr. Echols know that I think he is a sick and disgusting piece of human garbage.

PissBottleMan

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

until Ed had to mention the 3 CONVICTED child murderers..............

Convicted? Yes.

Reasonable doubt? Yes.

You have to concede the whole situation is fishy.

PBM

Kilgore_Trout

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

Im glad that Mr. Vedder gave us Damien Echols address in prison....SO we can all write Mr. Echols a letter...

Because i would be glad to write Mr. Echols a letter and let him know that a hope he ROTS IN PRISON...

FOR MURDERING and MUTILATING little boys......

I would be glad to let Mr. Echols know that I think he is a sick and disgusting piece of human garbage.

you should write it with a variety of magazine letter cutouts just to really drive home the message :P

QuarterToTen

it would be nice, if even only occasionally,
to get some news in a somewhat timely manner
and to not have it tainted with political causes.

especially this highly charged, highly emotional,
highly controversial case in Arkansas.

and to mention it in the same breath as holiday wishes...4 months late,
is in pretty poor taste in my opinion.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

PissBottleMan wrote:

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

until Ed had to mention the 3 CONVICTED child murderers..............

Convicted? Yes.

Reasonable doubt? Yes.

You have to concede the whole situation is fishy.

PBM

my friend...

you should go and do some research on Damien Echols and his mental history(if you havent already)

go look at his arrest record.....He has threatened to MURDER AND MUTILATE more than one person....

he seems like a hell of a fucking nice guy....

PissBottleMan

I'm suggesting reasonable doubt in this case.

I'm not campaigning, I'm merely proposing there is more to this situation than what was presented (based on my layman's knowledge).

PBM

redrock

pdalowsky wrote:

.what with DNA evidence and the likes these days surely they could get off if they had anything to go off? Obviosuly I should read the case before going further.'

"....and much more importantly, DNA and other forensic technologies have progressed to the point where items that were previously inadequate for testing are now providing the positive proof that Damien, Jason and Jessie have been waiting over a decade for.

The results of recent DNA testing have revealed that these three men couldn't have been involved in the murders because not one cell of genetic material has been identified that matches them. The nature of this crime as put forth by the State of Arkansas makes it very unlikely that the perpetrator could have committed it without leaving even the smallest trace behind. DNA evidence was, however found that matches a pair of individuals who had been together on the day the children disappeared. One of these individuals is the stepfather of one of the victims......."



When it comes to the delay between Ed writing the letter and posting it, I'm wondering if he does the same thing I do with my holiday postcards... buy them, write them and..... bring them back home in the suitcase because there 'wasn't really an opportunity' to mail them!

pdalowsky wrote:

well lets turn that around, what if it was your kid? would you be so concerned about judicial fairness then?

If it were my kid, I would want to skin the GUILTY person alive. In this very publicised case, even just having the slightest doubt that the right people/person were in jail and having to look at people around wondering if it could then be them, would tear me apart. The would be absolutely NO closure.

FinsburyParkCarrots

If the letter asked me to write to Leonard Peltier, I might consider it.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

a few facts about Mr. Damien Elchols....

long before he was convicted for MURDERING AND MUTILATING little boys......

Mr. Echols was arrested for threatening to KILL AND EAT his father.....

Mr. Echols was arrested for threatening to KILL his girlfriends parents......

Mr. Echols spent time in a mental hospital.....

Mr. Echols received permanent disabilty from the government due to his mental health........


AND IM SUPPOSED TO SEND THIS PIECE OF SHIT MONEY????????????

ajedigecko

seriously..................who actually writes letters?

i can not remember the last time i wrote a letter, licked a stamp, and placed it in a mailbox.

ajedigecko

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

a few facts about Mr. Damien Elchols....

long before he was convicted for MURDERING AND MUTILATING little boys......

Mr. Echols was arrested for threatening to KILL AND EAT his father.....

Mr. Echols was arrested for threatening to KILL his girlfriends parents......

Mr. Echols spent time in a mental hospital.....

Mr. Echols received permanent disabilty from the government due to his mental health........


AND IM SUPPOSED TO SEND THIS PIECE OF SHIT MONEY????????????

absolutely......then he can purchase food so he will not want to "kill and eat"