Did they add West Memphis 3 after the first 2 shows sold out?
Bravo!
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Just wanted to say that I appreciate the letter from Ed. And I appreciate all that Pearl Jam has done to make a difference in this chaotic world. It is a breath of fresh air and quite refreshing. Although new to this forum, not new to the activism of protecting the planet, the places, spaces and people that add to the quality of life. Will do my part to support the effort. As we in Hawaii say, Imua! (Forward!) Sad that I won't be able to make any of the concerts here in Hawaii in June and July this time, but will be there in spirit and hope to be able to go next time.
what the hell.... ed's posted a message on his own website.... what a cheeky fucker... how dare he. quite unbelievable.... such nerve. really i can't believe he provided an update on a cause everyone knows he is committed to... and on his own website. what in the world.
what the hell.... ed's posted a message on his own website.... what a cheeky fucker... how dare he. quite unbelievable.... such nerve. really i can't believe he provided an update on a cause everyone knows he is committed to... and on his own website. what in the world.
Please let the single come soon. please.
*kisses*
oh and yes,.....merry christmas, better late than vedder........;)
and i thank whoever posted it in it's entirety b/c i cannot SEE the news on the home page :evil: :evil: ....just a bunch of "N/A"s on the page b/c of that damned light blue backgorund that i canNOT change back to the original skin. ugh.
Okay, go to the PJ home page while being logged in, click on the "Settings" and scroll down to the Block Configuration groupbox, check on the "current_news: block" (and others if you want), save.... and viola!
it's voila and it does not work with the blue skin. (which we're stuck with since they removed the option to change)
and i thank whoever posted it in it's entirety b/c i cannot SEE the news on the home page :evil: :evil: ....just a bunch of "N/A"s on the page b/c of that damned light blue backgorund that i canNOT change back to the original skin. ugh.
Okay, go to the PJ home page while being logged in, click on the "Settings" and scroll down to the Block Configuration groupbox, check on the "current_news: block" (and others if you want), save.... and viola!
it's voila and it does not work with the blue skin. (which we're stuck with since they removed the option to change)
Thanks for the spelling correction...and yeah d2d explained that to me privately. I hope that will be resolved soon...
Thanks again, Pegasus!
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Mark Gardner, a fellow death-row inmate at Arkansas State Prison, has confessed to repeatedly raping and beating Damien Echols.
Damien Echols' parents separated after the guilty verdict. In the fall of 1993, two men argued over Echols' mother, Pam, while his father watched. One man shot the other dead.
Mr. Misskelley, Jessie's father, inadvertently destroyed his house trailer while trying to move it in the summer of 1995. Later he accidentally set fire to himself and was burned over 75% of this body.
The families of the victims did not fare much better.
Melissa and John Mark Byers were arrested for burglary. John Byers, who admitted beating his son with his belt the day of the murders, was charged by a neighbor with whipping their five-year-old boy with a fly-swatter and firing shots at their house.
Mrs. Byers was later charged with assaulting a pair of carpet installers after threatening them with a shotgun.
In March 1996, Mrs. Byers died under suspicious circumstances. It took more than six months for a toxicological analysis to be completed: it showed significant levels of an illicit drug was in her system at the time of death. Mr. Byers moved away, complaining about how weird his neighbors were.
Diane Moore ran over and killed a 26-year-old woman and was charged with vehicular manslaughter.
Terry Hobbs beat his wife with his fists, was confronted by his brother-in-law, whom he shot in the abdomen, and was charged with aggravated assault
Take me piece by piece..... Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
Mark Gardner, a fellow death-row inmate at Arkansas State Prison, has confessed to repeatedly raping and beating Damien Echols.
Damien Echols' parents separated after the guilty verdict. In the fall of 1993, two men argued over Echols' mother, Pam, while his father watched. One man shot the other dead.
Mr. Misskelley, Jessie's father, inadvertently destroyed his house trailer while trying to move it in the summer of 1995. Later he accidentally set fire to himself and was burned over 75% of this body.
The families of the victims did not fare much better.
Melissa and John Mark Byers were arrested for burglary. John Byers, who admitted beating his son with his belt the day of the murders, was charged by a neighbor with whipping their five-year-old boy with a fly-swatter and firing shots at their house.
Mrs. Byers was later charged with assaulting a pair of carpet installers after threatening them with a shotgun.
In March 1996, Mrs. Byers died under suspicious circumstances. It took more than six months for a toxicological analysis to be completed: it showed significant levels of an illicit drug was in her system at the time of death. Mr. Byers moved away, complaining about how weird his neighbors were.
Diane Moore ran over and killed a 26-year-old woman and was charged with vehicular manslaughter.
Terry Hobbs beat his wife with his fists, was confronted by his brother-in-law, whom he shot in the abdomen, and was charged with aggravated assault
Yeah- Wow- that is crazy
...got a mind full of questions and a teacher in my soul...
Mark Gardner, a fellow death-row inmate at Arkansas State Prison, has confessed to repeatedly raping and beating Damien Echols. Damien Echols' parents separated after the guilty verdict. In the fall of 1993, two men argued over Echols' mother, Pam, while his father watched. One man shot the other dead.
Mr. Misskelley, Jessie's father, inadvertently destroyed his house trailer while trying to move it in the summer of 1995. Later he accidentally set fire to himself and was burned over 75% of this body.
The families of the victims did not fare much better.
Melissa and John Mark Byers were arrested for burglary. John Byers, who admitted beating his son with his belt the day of the murders, was charged by a neighbor with whipping their five-year-old boy with a fly-swatter and firing shots at their house.
Mrs. Byers was later charged with assaulting a pair of carpet installers after threatening them with a shotgun.
In March 1996, Mrs. Byers died under suspicious circumstances. It took more than six months for a toxicological analysis to be completed: it showed significant levels of an illicit drug was in her system at the time of death. Mr. Byers moved away, complaining about how weird his neighbors were.
Diane Moore ran over and killed a 26-year-old woman and was charged with vehicular manslaughter.
Terry Hobbs beat his wife with his fists, was confronted by his brother-in-law, whom he shot in the abdomen, and was charged with aggravated assault
now i know you don't believe it...but imagine if damien echols is INNOCENT?!
of course, just being wrongfully imprisioned for 15 years, hell...15 days!......is bad enough, but add all this? seriously. IF one truly believes he is guilty, well then, any evidence brought up since will prove this no? and if he isn't guilty, and evidence brought up since shows he is innocent...well then, what a grave injustice to this man and there is nothing that can be done to repay him all the time he has lost, and the damage done to him. i think at the very least, it is fair to find out if he was indeed convicted but is actually innocent. agree or no, it does seem like the case was handled imporperly and we owe it to him, and actually to ALL of US...to make certain our justice system works as best it can.
Mark Gardner, a fellow death-row inmate at Arkansas State Prison, has confessed to repeatedly raping and beating Damien Echols. Damien Echols' parents separated after the guilty verdict. In the fall of 1993, two men argued over Echols' mother, Pam, while his father watched. One man shot the other dead.
Mr. Misskelley, Jessie's father, inadvertently destroyed his house trailer while trying to move it in the summer of 1995. Later he accidentally set fire to himself and was burned over 75% of this body.
The families of the victims did not fare much better.
Melissa and John Mark Byers were arrested for burglary. John Byers, who admitted beating his son with his belt the day of the murders, was charged by a neighbor with whipping their five-year-old boy with a fly-swatter and firing shots at their house.
Mrs. Byers was later charged with assaulting a pair of carpet installers after threatening them with a shotgun.
In March 1996, Mrs. Byers died under suspicious circumstances. It took more than six months for a toxicological analysis to be completed: it showed significant levels of an illicit drug was in her system at the time of death. Mr. Byers moved away, complaining about how weird his neighbors were.
Diane Moore ran over and killed a 26-year-old woman and was charged with vehicular manslaughter.
Terry Hobbs beat his wife with his fists, was confronted by his brother-in-law, whom he shot in the abdomen, and was charged with aggravated assault
now i know you don't believe it...but imagine if damien echols is INNOCENT?!
of course, just being wrongfully imprisioned for 15 years, hell...15 days!......is bad enough, but add all this? seriously. IF one truly believes he is guilty, well then, any evidence brought up since will prove this no? and if he isn't guilty, and evidence brought up since shows he is innocent...well then, what a grave injustice to this man and there is nothing that can be done to repay him all the time he has lost, and the damage done to him. i think at the very least, it is fair to find out if he was indeed convicted but is actually innocent. agree or no, it does seem like the case was handled imporperly and we owe it to him, and actually to ALL of US...to make certain our justice system works as best it can.
wouldnt it be a whole lot nicer....
is someboday was ask you to donate your hard earned money and give to the parents of the MURDERED and MUTILATED VICTIMS of this crime.....
instead of giving your money to the CONVICTED MURDERERS???????
Take me piece by piece..... Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
Mark Gardner, a fellow death-row inmate at Arkansas State Prison, has confessed to repeatedly raping and beating Damien Echols. Damien Echols' parents separated after the guilty verdict. In the fall of 1993, two men argued over Echols' mother, Pam, while his father watched. One man shot the other dead.
Mr. Misskelley, Jessie's father, inadvertently destroyed his house trailer while trying to move it in the summer of 1995. Later he accidentally set fire to himself and was burned over 75% of this body.
The families of the victims did not fare much better.
Melissa and John Mark Byers were arrested for burglary. John Byers, who admitted beating his son with his belt the day of the murders, was charged by a neighbor with whipping their five-year-old boy with a fly-swatter and firing shots at their house.
Mrs. Byers was later charged with assaulting a pair of carpet installers after threatening them with a shotgun.
In March 1996, Mrs. Byers died under suspicious circumstances. It took more than six months for a toxicological analysis to be completed: it showed significant levels of an illicit drug was in her system at the time of death. Mr. Byers moved away, complaining about how weird his neighbors were.
Diane Moore ran over and killed a 26-year-old woman and was charged with vehicular manslaughter.
Terry Hobbs beat his wife with his fists, was confronted by his brother-in-law, whom he shot in the abdomen, and was charged with aggravated assault
now i know you don't believe it...but imagine if damien echols is INNOCENT?!
of course, just being wrongfully imprisioned for 15 years, hell...15 days!......is bad enough, but add all this? seriously. IF one truly believes he is guilty, well then, any evidence brought up since will prove this no? and if he isn't guilty, and evidence brought up since shows he is innocent...well then, what a grave injustice to this man and there is nothing that can be done to repay him all the time he has lost, and the damage done to him. i think at the very least, it is fair to find out if he was indeed convicted but is actually innocent. agree or no, it does seem like the case was handled imporperly and we owe it to him, and actually to ALL of US...to make certain our justice system works as best it can.
wouldnt it be a whole lot nicer....
is someboday was ask you to donate your hard earned money and give to the parents of the MURDERED and MUTILATED VICTIMS of this crime.....
instead of giving your money to the CONVICTED MURDERERS???????
way to miss the point. :roll:
i get it, we all get it....you believe they are guilty. i am not saying i agree or disagree with you. point is, ED disagrees with you....and he is expressing his views, and sharing information. and the point *I* was making is.....WHAT IF YOU'RE WRONG? just b/c he/they are 'convicted' doesn't actually mean they are actually guilty. you do realize that, yes? obviously, most of the time, people are convicted of crimes they did commit.....but it HAS happened in the past, people wrongfully convicted and commited....so yes, i personally do believe...if someone actually believes someone to be innocent, you bet...try to drum up support and help this innocent person out. time will tell who is right - but given the cloud of confusion, i think it is worth delving into deeper. you don't cool, but i am looking at the bigger picture of justice, not just this once case. but sweet bejeebus, even thinking for one moment this man might be innocent, what a horrible injustice has been done to him, and you know what? AND the victims families!
btw - why do the victim's families need $$$? no amount of money will bring their loved ones back...so i fail to see why anyone would drum up funds for them unless they were in financial need. whereas someone on deathrow, whom ed personally believes is innocent, well you bet...he needs a ton of $$$ for legal fees. i mean, cmon. i understand disagreeing with guilt/innocence, but at least 'understanding' the whys of eds actions and requests is good, imo.
I just think that Ed, the band, and fans would be better served if instead of asking fans to support ANY particular cause because they believe in it, that Ed or the band ask fans to research that cause and decide for themselves it is worth their support. Just because a cause is worthy of support from Ed or the band doesn't mean everyone believes it is.
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I just think that Ed, the band, and fans would be better served if instead of asking fans to support ANY particular cause because they believe in it, that Ed or the band ask fans to research that cause and decide for themselves it is worth their support. Just because a cause is worthy of support from Ed or the band doesn't mean everyone believes it is.
if ed is wrong...i would still hope that justice would be served, and then, they would remian in prison, no? you can throw $$$ at a cause, doesn't mean evidence will miraculously appear to support your desires. sure, some people would've spent $$$ on the 'wrong' cause, but if they do believe it's a cause worth fighting, then it's their $$$ to put forth towards their beliefs. i totally agree to ed using his forum to express his views...others using this forum to counter his, and others, views.....i just don't *get* complaints about it, or that it is 'wrong' of him, etc. differing perspectives........
i think there is a far greater idea of injustice if ed is right, than wrong...given the fact that these men have been convicted, and imprisioned, for 15 years. i don't forsee their release unless they are proven innocent, and rightly so. if he's wrong, justice has been rightly served and will continue to be.....
do you truly think they do that?
i thought this was well worded, as were other requests for support for other causes...to clearly say IF it is a cause YOU believe in, choose to support, etc. here is additional information for you, etc. i 100% agree with your last sentence tho, absolutely.
......fans to research that cause and decide for themselves it is worth their support. Just because a cause is worthy of support from Ed or the band doesn't mean everyone believes it is.
I'm sure they do not expect anyone to follow blindly. This letter hightlights the cause to people who may have not even heard of it or heard very little of it. He shares his thoughts with us and just hopes to make people aware of what it happening. Once this awareness is there, it is up to the individual to check it out and form their own opinion. He is a bit of a 'go-between' for his cause. He knows of it/supports it, he then presents it to others - one chooses to look into it, support it or not.
......fans to research that cause and decide for themselves it is worth their support. Just because a cause is worthy of support from Ed or the band doesn't mean everyone believes it is.
I'm sure they do not expect anyone to follow blindly. This letter hightlights the cause to people who may have not even heard of it or heard very little of it. He shares his thoughts with us and just hopes to make people aware of what it happening. Once this awareness is there, it is up to the individual to check it out and form their own opinion. He is a bit of a 'go-between' for his cause. He knows of it/supports it, he then presents it to others - one chooses to look into it, support it or not.
I agree. Ed and the band just keep making sure to bring issues to our attention. They have the podium - so they make sure they make use of it, and do it well. They never abuse this possition, and I've always heard a call to educate one's self on the issues that surround him - that are affecting lives and our society. so many people fail to see the point or remain un-motivated in their own lives with their great potential to make a difference. I love that we have the ability do discuss this over a message board - simply because it was raised by Ed.
The problem I have with Ed and the WM3 thing is that it's so obviously a pet celebrity cause. Winona Ryder and a whole bunch of famous rich people (including Ed) adopt it and claim to be experts when they know as much or you or I do—jack shat. From doing my own research the case is NOT as cut and dry as all the famous rich liberal people say but then again I'm not a lawyer and neither is Ed.
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......fans to research that cause and decide for themselves it is worth their support. Just because a cause is worthy of support from Ed or the band doesn't mean everyone believes it is.
I'm sure they do not expect anyone to follow blindly. This letter hightlights the cause to people who may have not even heard of it or heard very little of it. He shares his thoughts with us and just hopes to make people aware of what it happening. Once this awareness is there, it is up to the individual to check it out and form their own opinion. He is a bit of a 'go-between' for his cause. He knows of it/supports it, he then presents it to others - one chooses to look into it, support it or not.
I agree. Ed and the band just keep making sure to bring issues to our attention. They have the podium - so they make sure they make use of it, and do it well. They never abuse this possition, and I've always heard a call to educate one's self on the issues that surround him - that are affecting lives and our society. so many people fail to see the point or remain un-motivated in their own lives with their great potential to make a difference. I love that we have the ability do discuss this over a message board - simply because it was raised by Ed.
well said!
disagree with the cause or issue, say you won't support it - cool...i just can't see criticizing the right to do so, nor to criticize speaking up about an issue or cause dear to him or them......i respect that they all share what's on their mind. it's not about blind support, at all......just sharing something near and dear to him or them......up to us to do what we will with said information.
no one seems to get upset when stone asks for support of turtles.....or mike the CCFA. :P seriously, tho, while certainly not as controversial, it's all one and the same no? using your fame for a cause you believe in. i support ALL of them using said fame, and this forum, to bring up issues of importance to them, and to many of us. it IS up to us what we do with said information, do our own research....make our own decisions. i do believe ed and all give us enough credit, respect our intelligence enough, to know we do not all think the same, nor follow blindly......
......fans to research that cause and decide for themselves it is worth their support. Just because a cause is worthy of support from Ed or the band doesn't mean everyone believes it is.
I'm sure they do not expect anyone to follow blindly. This letter hightlights the cause to people who may have not even heard of it or heard very little of it. He shares his thoughts with us and just hopes to make people aware of what it happening. Once this awareness is there, it is up to the individual to check it out and form their own opinion. He is a bit of a 'go-between' for his cause. He knows of it/supports it, he then presents it to others - one chooses to look into it, support it or not.
I agree. Ed and the band just keep making sure to bring issues to our attention. They have the podium - so they make sure they make use of it, and do it well. They never abuse this possition, and I've always heard a call to educate one's self on the issues that surround him - that are affecting lives and our society. so many people fail to see the point or remain un-motivated in their own lives with their great potential to make a difference. I love that we have the ability do discuss this over a message board - simply because it was raised by Ed.
exactly true..he want to help a friend and thats really good,,he could stay in hi "kingdom of money" as
some of you say and dont care for nobody,,and if you want to donate or help do it,,if not dont...nobody here force us to do anyhting we dont know,,we have the change to talk about thing freely and thats perfect..anyway opinions is like ass,,everybody has one!!!!!!
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Not sure if this has been said, but my take on anyone asking you to get behind a "cause" they believe in is pretty simple--if you don't agree, just don't support it. I realize that debate on this board is what keeps some people coming back, but puh-leeze...just because you feel one way or another about something doesn't mean you can change someone else's mind by ranting and raving! I mean, wouldn't that be just as "offensive" as Ed bringing it up in the first place (if you were offended by it)? This is not directed at any one person, just a general observation.
If you are interested in the WM3 case, pick up some books on it. There are several out there, and not just on the "wrongly convicted" side. Read both sides, and see what you conclude. I am a bit of a trail procedure junkie, and my thoughts on this are not based upon whether the WM3 are completely innocent or guilty, but on the fact that the trial(s) was/were kind of a joke.
I might not be as up-to-date on everything as I could be, but from what I recall there was pretty much no physical evidence connecting any of them to the three boys. As the mother of an 8-year old boy, I would be the first person to rip the eyes out of anyone who might hurt him. However, I would want to know WHO hurt him without a shadow of a doubt, and want any and all available evidence to be tested, tested, and re-tested. I understand why they wanted to convict them so badly...the crimes were absolutely horrific. However, I don't understand all the denials for testing. If it would uphold the conviction, so be it. If it raised other questions, so be it. Just get on with it.
It really gets on my nerves when a thread takes off in a whole different direction and then turns into a pissing contest. Yes, I realize I am commenting on said thread, which also gets on my nerves. There is a WM3 thread on here somewhere...
I still want you all to "take care"--I am just damn tired of typing it.
I wish I knew more about the West Memphis 3 case. I'll have to read up more on it sometime. but I couldn't help but thinking how cool it will be when the movie comes out! They have to make a movie about it. I don't look at that as selling out or letting Hollywood glamorize it. With friends like Sean Penn and Tim Robbins and Cameron Crow, I'm sure that Ed and the band could produce an honest, genuine, informative movie of the true life events that happened. Anyone else agree?
I wish I knew more about the West Memphis 3 case. I'll have to read up more on it sometime. but I couldn't help but thinking how cool it will be when the movie comes out! They have to make a movie about it. I don't look at that as selling out or letting Hollywood glamorize it. With friends like Sean Penn and Tim Robbins and Cameron Crow, I'm sure that Ed and the band could produce an honest, genuine, informative movie of the true life events that happened. Anyone else agree?
I believe there was a movie in the works a few years ago, but things fell apart. There were a few actors attached to parts, but then it just disappeared.
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nope...because Ed doesn't "sell out"
No kidding Ed. Put your money where your mouth is. Schedule Memphis 2 and give profits to the defense fund.
Please let the single come soon. please.
*kisses*
oh and yes,.....merry christmas, better late than vedder........;)
Let's just breathe...
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I think Ed needs to Free Mumia. He's the innocent one that is wrongly accused.
all i can say is.....WOW!!!!!
Mark Gardner, a fellow death-row inmate at Arkansas State Prison, has confessed to repeatedly raping and beating Damien Echols.
Damien Echols' parents separated after the guilty verdict. In the fall of 1993, two men argued over Echols' mother, Pam, while his father watched. One man shot the other dead.
Mr. Misskelley, Jessie's father, inadvertently destroyed his house trailer while trying to move it in the summer of 1995. Later he accidentally set fire to himself and was burned over 75% of this body.
The families of the victims did not fare much better.
Melissa and John Mark Byers were arrested for burglary. John Byers, who admitted beating his son with his belt the day of the murders, was charged by a neighbor with whipping their five-year-old boy with a fly-swatter and firing shots at their house.
Mrs. Byers was later charged with assaulting a pair of carpet installers after threatening them with a shotgun.
In March 1996, Mrs. Byers died under suspicious circumstances. It took more than six months for a toxicological analysis to be completed: it showed significant levels of an illicit drug was in her system at the time of death. Mr. Byers moved away, complaining about how weird his neighbors were.
Diane Moore ran over and killed a 26-year-old woman and was charged with vehicular manslaughter.
Terry Hobbs beat his wife with his fists, was confronted by his brother-in-law, whom he shot in the abdomen, and was charged with aggravated assault
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
Yeah- Wow- that is crazy
now i know you don't believe it...but imagine if damien echols is INNOCENT?!
of course, just being wrongfully imprisioned for 15 years, hell...15 days!......is bad enough, but add all this? seriously. IF one truly believes he is guilty, well then, any evidence brought up since will prove this no? and if he isn't guilty, and evidence brought up since shows he is innocent...well then, what a grave injustice to this man and there is nothing that can be done to repay him all the time he has lost, and the damage done to him. i think at the very least, it is fair to find out if he was indeed convicted but is actually innocent. agree or no, it does seem like the case was handled imporperly and we owe it to him, and actually to ALL of US...to make certain our justice system works as best it can.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
is someboday was ask you to donate your hard earned money and give to the parents of the MURDERED and MUTILATED VICTIMS of this crime.....
instead of giving your money to the CONVICTED MURDERERS???????
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
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way to miss the point. :roll:
i get it, we all get it....you believe they are guilty. i am not saying i agree or disagree with you. point is, ED disagrees with you....and he is expressing his views, and sharing information. and the point *I* was making is.....WHAT IF YOU'RE WRONG? just b/c he/they are 'convicted' doesn't actually mean they are actually guilty. you do realize that, yes? obviously, most of the time, people are convicted of crimes they did commit.....but it HAS happened in the past, people wrongfully convicted and commited....so yes, i personally do believe...if someone actually believes someone to be innocent, you bet...try to drum up support and help this innocent person out. time will tell who is right - but given the cloud of confusion, i think it is worth delving into deeper. you don't cool, but i am looking at the bigger picture of justice, not just this once case. but sweet bejeebus, even thinking for one moment this man might be innocent, what a horrible injustice has been done to him, and you know what? AND the victims families!
btw - why do the victim's families need $$$? no amount of money will bring their loved ones back...so i fail to see why anyone would drum up funds for them unless they were in financial need. whereas someone on deathrow, whom ed personally believes is innocent, well you bet...he needs a ton of $$$ for legal fees. i mean, cmon. i understand disagreeing with guilt/innocence, but at least 'understanding' the whys of eds actions and requests is good, imo.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
oh well....
have a good weekend..........
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
i got it....i just disagree with it.
oh well....
have a GREAT weekend!...........
Let's just breathe...
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I just think that Ed, the band, and fans would be better served if instead of asking fans to support ANY particular cause because they believe in it, that Ed or the band ask fans to research that cause and decide for themselves it is worth their support. Just because a cause is worthy of support from Ed or the band doesn't mean everyone believes it is.
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if ed is wrong...i would still hope that justice would be served, and then, they would remian in prison, no? you can throw $$$ at a cause, doesn't mean evidence will miraculously appear to support your desires. sure, some people would've spent $$$ on the 'wrong' cause, but if they do believe it's a cause worth fighting, then it's their $$$ to put forth towards their beliefs. i totally agree to ed using his forum to express his views...others using this forum to counter his, and others, views.....i just don't *get* complaints about it, or that it is 'wrong' of him, etc. differing perspectives........
i think there is a far greater idea of injustice if ed is right, than wrong...given the fact that these men have been convicted, and imprisioned, for 15 years. i don't forsee their release unless they are proven innocent, and rightly so. if he's wrong, justice has been rightly served and will continue to be.....
do you truly think they do that?
i thought this was well worded, as were other requests for support for other causes...to clearly say IF it is a cause YOU believe in, choose to support, etc. here is additional information for you, etc. i 100% agree with your last sentence tho, absolutely.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
I'm sure they do not expect anyone to follow blindly. This letter hightlights the cause to people who may have not even heard of it or heard very little of it. He shares his thoughts with us and just hopes to make people aware of what it happening. Once this awareness is there, it is up to the individual to check it out and form their own opinion. He is a bit of a 'go-between' for his cause. He knows of it/supports it, he then presents it to others - one chooses to look into it, support it or not.
I agree. Ed and the band just keep making sure to bring issues to our attention. They have the podium - so they make sure they make use of it, and do it well. They never abuse this possition, and I've always heard a call to educate one's self on the issues that surround him - that are affecting lives and our society. so many people fail to see the point or remain un-motivated in their own lives with their great potential to make a difference. I love that we have the ability do discuss this over a message board - simply because it was raised by Ed.
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well said!
disagree with the cause or issue, say you won't support it - cool...i just can't see criticizing the right to do so, nor to criticize speaking up about an issue or cause dear to him or them......i respect that they all share what's on their mind. it's not about blind support, at all......just sharing something near and dear to him or them......up to us to do what we will with said information.
no one seems to get upset when stone asks for support of turtles.....or mike the CCFA. :P seriously, tho, while certainly not as controversial, it's all one and the same no? using your fame for a cause you believe in. i support ALL of them using said fame, and this forum, to bring up issues of importance to them, and to many of us. it IS up to us what we do with said information, do our own research....make our own decisions. i do believe ed and all give us enough credit, respect our intelligence enough, to know we do not all think the same, nor follow blindly......
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
some of you say and dont care for nobody,,and if you want to donate or help do it,,if not dont...nobody here force us to do anyhting we dont know,,we have the change to talk about thing freely and thats perfect..anyway opinions is like ass,,everybody has one!!!!!!
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If you are interested in the WM3 case, pick up some books on it. There are several out there, and not just on the "wrongly convicted" side. Read both sides, and see what you conclude. I am a bit of a trail procedure junkie, and my thoughts on this are not based upon whether the WM3 are completely innocent or guilty, but on the fact that the trial(s) was/were kind of a joke.
I might not be as up-to-date on everything as I could be, but from what I recall there was pretty much no physical evidence connecting any of them to the three boys. As the mother of an 8-year old boy, I would be the first person to rip the eyes out of anyone who might hurt him. However, I would want to know WHO hurt him without a shadow of a doubt, and want any and all available evidence to be tested, tested, and re-tested. I understand why they wanted to convict them so badly...the crimes were absolutely horrific. However, I don't understand all the denials for testing. If it would uphold the conviction, so be it. If it raised other questions, so be it. Just get on with it.
It really gets on my nerves when a thread takes off in a whole different direction and then turns into a pissing contest. Yes, I realize I am commenting on said thread, which also gets on my nerves. There is a WM3 thread on here somewhere...
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I believe there was a movie in the works a few years ago, but things fell apart. There were a few actors attached to parts, but then it just disappeared.
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