You Are Being Lied To About PIRATES

WaveCameCrashin

jlew24asu wrote:

a pirate sympathy thread? LOL only on AMT. :roll:

I know right.... This one takes the cake. Not to mention the Alabama wasen't even a goddamn fishing boat. They were bringing food to these fucking ass holes. They deserve what the fuck they got .

evenflow

Commy wrote:

i sympathize with people who are getting fucked over by greed.

How ironic comming from a dude named Commy. Communism is based on greed more than capitalism ever was.

But on topic...

I'm really hoping America goes back to the WWII mentality soon and starts employing the survival of the fittest. The pirates held an American hostage, they had guns, we had guns, we just use them a hell of a lot better. Now everybody's going to cry about it.

I really do find the situation funny, and the more pirates that get plugged in the head, the harder i laugh. If they could post that on youtube it would be the most popular video ever.

Commy

evenflow wrote:

Commy wrote:

i sympathize with people who are getting fucked over by greed.

How ironic comming from a dude named Commy. Communism is based on greed more than capitalism ever was.

not that i am a communist, far from it, but how is communism based more on greed than capitalism?

WaveCameCrashin

Holy shit they just tried to attack another boat , but they were unsuccessful thanks to our navy

Commy

i was just watching the local news, and they said they captured 4 ships and 60 sailors.

Abookamongstthemany

pirates - navy

army - terrorist cells

What's the difference really? All view their reasons as valid and noble and will justify any aggression used to protect their interests first and foremost.

Commy

agreed abook.

FiveB247x wrote:

In Noam Chomsky's book, "Pirates and Emperors, International Terrorism in the Real World", he tells this story, attributed to St. Augustine. A captured pirate was brought before Alexander the Great. "How dare you molest the sea?, said Alexander. How dare you molest the whole world?" replied the pirate and continued: "Because I do it with a little ship only I am called a thief; you, doing it with a great navy are called emperor."

i think this is right on.

Abookamongstthemany

Commy wrote:

agreed abook.

FiveB247x wrote:

In Noam Chomsky's book, "Pirates and Emperors, International Terrorism in the Real World", he tells this story, attributed to St. Augustine. A captured pirate was brought before Alexander the Great. "How dare you molest the sea?, said Alexander. How dare you molest the whole world?" replied the pirate and continued: "Because I do it with a little ship only I am called a thief; you, doing it with a great navy are called emperor."

i think this is right on.

I didn't read the whole thread but yep, Five's always known I think he's one smart cookie.

ps....glad you liked the MGMT, Rob

jlew24asu

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

pirates - navy

army - terrorist cells

What's the difference really? All view their reasons as valid and noble and will justify any aggression used to protect their interests first and foremost.

sigh. does Indian navy patrol its shores and kidnap and kill sailors who happen to pass near its border?

FiveB247x

You're playing both sides of the fence on this issue. You can't complain about Somalia's weak government and lawlessness and the issues raised about soveignty, when the same nations complaining about these problems are partly responsible for these occurence. Somalia is a weak government and is run by warlords... some of which use piracy for greed, some of which honestly think the piracy is national defense from other nations stealing their industry and dumping on their shores. Now if Somalia had a strong government, they wouldn't use piracy to deter these problems, they'd have a navy blockading or detering industrialized nations from dumping and stealing their industry. So basically, you challenge their right to piracy as a method of defense because they lack a powerful state government which is partially a result of rich nations flooding their market with arms while then complaining about the result? Can't have it both ways.

jlew24asu wrote:

sigh. does Indian navy patrol its shores and kidnap and kill sailors who happen to pass near its border?

jlew24asu

FiveB247x wrote:

You're playing both sides of the fence on this issue. You can't complain about Somalia's weak government and lawlessness and the issues raised about soveignty, when the same nations complaining about these problems are partly responsible for these occurence. Somalia is a weak government and is run by warlords... some of which use piracy for greed, some of which honestly think the piracy is national defense from other nations stealing their industry and dumping on their shores. Now if Somalia had a strong government, they wouldn't use piracy to deter these problems, they'd have a navy blockading or detering industrialized nations from dumping and stealing their industry. So basically, you challenge their right to piracy as a method of defense because they lack a powerful state government which is partially a result of rich nations flooding their market with arms while then complaining about the result? Can't have it both ways.

jlew24asu wrote:

sigh. does Indian navy patrol its shores and kidnap and kill sailors who happen to pass near its border?

abook was trying to equate pirates and navys from powerful countries. which is ludicrous. its just shocking to me that people like you will run to the defense of such sick acts of violence. then strongly denounce it when America or an industrialized nation does something.

and they arent using piracy to "deter these problems" (dumping and stealing)...they are doing it for money, plain and simple.

FiveB247x

I know what abook was saying and you are ignoring some of the facts here. Please look back at my previous post where I posted several links about the dumping and stealing of industry in Somalia as well as why Somalia is getting its arms from (which leads to its weak government). You are trying to paint this into a black and white issue when it clearly is not. Is some of it simply about the money, absolutely, but not all of it.. probably 50-50 in my opinion, but to ignore that fact is to not look at the situation clearly and unbiased.

jlew24asu wrote:

abook was trying to equate pirates and navys from powerful countries. which is ludicrous. its just shocking to me that people like you will run to the defense of such sick acts of violence. then strongly denounce it when America or an industrialized nation does something.

and they arent using piracy to "deter these problems" (dumping and stealing)...they are doing it for money, plain and simple.

jlew24asu

FiveB247x wrote:

I know what abook was saying and you are ignoring some of the facts here. Please look back at my previous post where I posted several links about the dumping and stealing of industry in Somalia as well as why Somalia is getting its arms from (which leads to its weak government). You are trying to paint this into a black and white issue when it clearly is not. Is some of it simply about the money, absolutely, but not all of it.. probably 50-50 in my opinion, but to ignore that fact is to not look at the situation clearly and unbiased.

jlew24asu wrote:

abook was trying to equate pirates and navys from powerful countries. which is ludicrous. its just shocking to me that people like you will run to the defense of such sick acts of violence. then strongly denounce it when America or an industrialized nation does something.

and they arent using piracy to "deter these problems" (dumping and stealing)...they are doing it for money, plain and simple.

ok, you're right. I read those articles and it appears to have some legitimacy from the UN that dumping is taking place. I'd say your 50-50 guess might be close but who knows.

FiveB247x

I'm by no means defending these actions, but merely stating there's an entire other side of this story in which is not being discussed or mentioned at all and it's not by accident. Goes to show you how the media works, especially in our nation.

jlew24asu wrote:

ok, you're right. I read those articles and it appears to have some legitimacy from the UN that dumping is taking place. I'd say your 50-50 guess might be close but who knows.

ajedigecko

FiveB247x wrote:

I'm by no means defending these actions, but merely stating there's an entire other side of this story in which is not being discussed or mentioned at all and it's not by accident. Goes to show you how the media works, especially in our nation.

jlew24asu wrote:

ok, you're right. I read those articles and it appears to have some legitimacy from the UN that dumping is taking place. I'd say your 50-50 guess might be close but who knows.

one would think that the liberal media would disclose this news..........the dumping is untolerable and the attacks on innocent ships is untolerable.

i would support the pirates if they attacked the ships that are doing the dumping........takes balls.

FiveB247x

Well actually the reason its not mentioned is because the media isn't liberal, instead it's controlled by private interests which protect the rich and powerful of the world. If we had a truly "liberal media" as many claim, we'd the media full of abuses and causes for problems throughout the world, instead we are fed a small portion of the after effect of the problem which directly correlates to us... ie biased news to protect, not inform.

Anyways, you comment about attacking the ships doing the dumping is the same premise abook was talking about. People fight with what means they have necessary and able. During the American revolutionary war, the british would literally call us terrorists and unruly barbarians because we didn't fight them in the manner they wanted us too. Which brings us back to the quote about pirates and navys...

ajedigecko wrote:

one would think that the liberal media would disclose this news..........the dumping is untolerable and the attacks on innocent ships is untolerable.

i would support the pirates if they attacked the ships that are doing the dumping........takes balls.

ajedigecko

FiveB247x wrote:

Well actually the reason its not mentioned is because the media isn't liberal, instead it's controlled by private interests which protect the rich and powerful of the world. If we had a truly "liberal media" as many claim, we'd the media full of abuses and causes for problems throughout the world, instead we are fed a small portion of the after effect of the problem which directly correlates to us... ie biased news to protect, not inform.

Anyways, you comment about attacking the ships doing the dumping is the same premise abook was talking about. People fight with what means they have necessary and able. During the American revolutionary war, the british would literally call us terrorists and unruly barbarians because we didn't fight them in the manner they wanted us too. Which brings us back to the quote about pirates and navys...

ajedigecko wrote:

one would think that the liberal media would disclose this news..........the dumping is untolerable and the attacks on innocent ships is untolerable.

i would support the pirates if they attacked the ships that are doing the dumping........takes balls.

again........the somali navy should attack ships that do illegal dumping. and for reasonable discussion's sake, when they do board the ships that the somali navy suspects of dumping and discover that it does not contain illegal or harmful substance. they should let the crew go free.

i have been looking for news where they let "good" ships go free.

jlew24asu

FiveB247x wrote:

Well actually the reason its not mentioned is because the media isn't liberal, instead it's controlled by private interests which protect the rich and powerful of the world. If we had a truly "liberal media" as many claim, we'd the media full of abuses and causes for problems throughout the world, instead we are fed a small portion of the after effect of the problem which directly correlates to us... ie biased news to protect, not inform.

I wouldnt start throwing out media conspiracies just yet. there is no solid proof of this dumping which is probably why its not widely reported. and "illegal" fishing is certainly a grey area. since when do countries "own" a part of the ocean? but I admit, I'm no maritime law expert, so I'll leave that alone.

FiveB247x wrote:

Anyways, you comment about attacking the ships doing the dumping is the same premise abook was talking about. People fight with what means they have necessary and able. During the American revolutionary war, the british would literally call us terrorists and unruly barbarians because we didn't fight them in the manner they wanted us too. Which brings us back to the quote about pirates and navys...

bullshit. why cant these pirates just patrol the waters like navy ships do? attack the ships accused of dumping and/or illegal fishing, and leave the cargo ships alone.

ajedigecko

jlew24asu wrote:

FiveB247x wrote:

Well actually the reason its not mentioned is because the media isn't liberal, instead it's controlled by private interests which protect the rich and powerful of the world. If we had a truly "liberal media" as many claim, we'd the media full of abuses and causes for problems throughout the world, instead we are fed a small portion of the after effect of the problem which directly correlates to us... ie biased news to protect, not inform.

I wouldnt start throwing out media conspiracies just yet. there is no solid proof of this dumping which is probably why its not widely reported. and "illegal" fishing is certainly a grey area. since when do countries "own" a part of the ocean? but I admit, I'm no maritime law expert, so I'll leave that alone.

FiveB247x wrote:

Anyways, you comment about attacking the ships doing the dumping is the same premise abook was talking about. People fight with what means they have necessary and able. During the American revolutionary war, the british would literally call us terrorists and unruly barbarians because we didn't fight them in the manner they wanted us too. Which brings us back to the quote about pirates and navys...

bullshit. why cant these pirates just patrol the waters like navy ships do? attack the ships accused of dumping and/or illegal fishing, and leave the cargo ships alone.

i do not think it would be wise of the somali navy to attack ships that are "accused" of dumping or illegal fishing, that would be uncivilized.

FiveB247x

Regarding some dumping: http://www.infowars.com/is-toxic-waste- ... li-piracy/

Actually there's plenty of laws which regard international waters and fishing buy typically they are not inforced or ignored.

As for your idea about pirates patroling the waters, what exactly makes you think they have to act in kind to opposing ships? You want them to act like a navy, but ignore the fact they are not one. They are typically smaller ships with people carrying lots of guns. The boats doing the fishing and dumping are very big and they can't simply do what you are requesting. It'd be equivelent to one very big person bullying a very small person and in order for the small person to combat this, they fight a bit dirty...and when the big bully doesn't like it, they say - hey you can't fight against me in this manner, it's not fair, yet ignores their part in the exchange.

jlew24asu wrote:

I wouldnt start throwing out media conspiracies just yet. there is no solid proof of this dumping which is probably why its not widely reported. and "illegal" fishing is certainly a grey area. since when do countries "own" a part of the ocean? but I admit, I'm no maritime law expert, so I'll leave that alone.

bullshit. why cant these pirates just patrol the waters like navy ships do? attack the ships accused of dumping and/or illegal fishing, and leave the cargo ships alone.