The NHL Playoff Thread 2008/09

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  • petrocspetrocs Posts: 4,342
    i'm not expecting them to get out of the first round. i was dreading that they would end up playing the caps, was hoping for boston... thought they stood a better chance against them.

    i am a ranger fan, i am used to sheer and utter disappointment year after year. it comes within the territory.

    but we'll see what happens. it's hard to bet against lundqvist, but i don't see the rangers shutting the caps top line down in a 7 game series.

    Hey...the flyers might not make it out the first round..but if they do I think they'll make a run
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  • petrocs wrote:
    Hey..I didnt pick up to win but we are the most high powered offense in the East. And the Rangers might push it to 6 but they arent getting out the first round..sorry man

    Funny because as much as I hate the Pens, Malkin and CRosbY are 1 and 3 in league points. The Pens and Canes are WAY too hot right now to lose in the first round. Biron is another reason they will lose, goaltending wins playoff series...he's incredibly inconsistent.

    The Rangers/Caps series is going to be great. With the caps having one of the best PP units vs the Rangers PK that's 1st in the league will be a nice match-up. If the Rangers win the series I can see them putting Boston to a 7 game test as well. And I'm not just saying that because I'm a Rangers fan. Ever since Tortarella took over, they are 10x faster and scoring way more. It's a completely different team, especially with Antropov's big ass mother fuckin body pounding to the net, and Avery doing what he does best. The only thing I'm worried about is sometimes the Rangers look completely lost on defense, a major part of that being the Redden/Rosival match-up.

    Plus my X-Factor teams for each conference are the Canes and Hawks, I wouldn't be surprised if they made a run to the finals
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  • jmurrayjmurray Stratham, NH Posts: 3,538
    i'm not expecting them to get out of the first round. i was dreading that they would end up playing the caps, was hoping for boston... thought they stood a better chance against them.

    i am a ranger fan, i am used to sheer and utter disappointment year after year. it comes within the territory.

    but we'll see what happens. it's hard to bet against lundqvist, but i don't see the rangers shutting the caps top line down in a 7 game series.

    This maybe the upset in the 1st round in the east. You gotta give the Rangers the edge in goal, Lundqvist could carry them over the Caps
  • DeLukinDeLukin Posts: 2,757
    I think the Pens are the team to watch. They are red hot right now and their big names haven't even been scoring much - most of their points have been coming from their deeper lines. If their big guns get going they're going to be a very tough team to beat.
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  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    Blues are out in 5!

    The Canucks are going to get Oshie'd... I'm calling Blues in 6
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 40,794
    Bruins vs Montreal - Bruins in 6
    Caps vs Rangers - Rangers in 7
    Devils vs Canes - Canes in 6
    Pitt vs Philly - Pitt in 6

    San Jose vs Ducks - San Jose in 6
    Detroit vs Columbus - Detroit in 4
    Canucks vs Blues - Canucks in 6
    Hawks vs Flames - Hawks in 7
    Bruins vs Rangers - Rangers in 6 (I really think we can win)
    Pitt vs Canes - Canes in 7

    San Jose vs Hawks - San Jose in 7 (going to be close as hell, I think the hawks can get to the finals)
    Detroit vs Canucks - Detroit in 6
    Rangers vs Canes - Canes in 6
    San Jose vs Detroit - San Jose in 7

    Canes vs San Jose - San Jose in 5
    Really? We tied the season series 3-3. On the other hand we're playing the Playoff wings , not the reg season wings.
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  • mickeyrat wrote:
    Bruins vs Montreal - Bruins in 6
    Caps vs Rangers - Rangers in 7
    Devils vs Canes - Canes in 6
    Pitt vs Philly - Pitt in 6

    San Jose vs Ducks - San Jose in 6
    Detroit vs Columbus - Detroit in 4
    Canucks vs Blues - Canucks in 6
    Hawks vs Flames - Hawks in 7
    Bruins vs Rangers - Rangers in 6 (I really think we can win)
    Pitt vs Canes - Canes in 7

    San Jose vs Hawks - San Jose in 7 (going to be close as hell, I think the hawks can get to the finals)
    Detroit vs Canucks - Detroit in 6
    Rangers vs Canes - Canes in 6
    San Jose vs Detroit - San Jose in 7

    Canes vs San Jose - San Jose in 5
    Really? We tied the season series 3-3. On the other hand we're playing the Playoff wings , not the reg season wings.

    I know, that's why I said 4. The other reason I said 4 is because there's always a sweep and that's the only series I can see being swept. But go Jackets! I hate the wings...plus no Dominik and Osgood's GAA is high, but Conklin's been good
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  • RygarRygar Posts: 8,689
    (1) Boston Bruins
    vs
    (8) Montreal Canadiens

    Boston in 6

    (2) Washington Capitals
    vs
    (7) New York Rangers

    Caps in 6

    (3) New Jersey Devils
    vs
    (6) Carolina Hurricanes

    Devils in 5

    (4) Pittsburgh Penguins
    vs
    (5) Philadelphia Flyers

    Penguins in 7
    Western Conference
    (1) San Jose Sharks
    vs
    (8) Anaheim Ducks

    SJ in 5

    (2) Detroit Red Wings
    vs
    (7) Columbus Blue Jackets

    Wings in 5

    (3) Vancouver Canucks
    vs
    (6) St Louis Blues

    Canucks in 5

    (4) Chicago Blackhawks
    vs
    (5) Calgary Flames

    Flames in 6
  • pearljimpearljim Posts: 1,312
    Big time hockey fan and I agree that the next 2 months are the best! Red Wings and Bruins are my fave 2 teams all time and I would be so happy to shell out serious money to see them play in the finals but even I am worried that the Wings don't have it this year. I said it in October and and I'm still saying it - their defensive zone coverage SUCKS! Hate the Flyers and Penguins so I hope they kill each other :) Other than that I am so going to enjoy these first round matchups:)
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  • SongburstSongburst Posts: 1,195
    mickeyrat wrote:
    Bruins vs Montreal - Bruins in 6
    Caps vs Rangers - Rangers in 7
    Devils vs Canes - Canes in 6
    Pitt vs Philly - Pitt in 6

    San Jose vs Ducks - San Jose in 6
    Detroit vs Columbus - Detroit in 4
    Canucks vs Blues - Canucks in 6
    Hawks vs Flames - Hawks in 7
    Bruins vs Rangers - Rangers in 6 (I really think we can win)
    Pitt vs Canes - Canes in 7

    San Jose vs Hawks - San Jose in 7 (going to be close as hell, I think the hawks can get to the finals)
    Detroit vs Canucks - Detroit in 6
    Rangers vs Canes - Canes in 6
    San Jose vs Detroit - San Jose in 7

    Canes vs San Jose - San Jose in 5
    Really? We tied the season series 3-3. On the other hand we're playing the Playoff wings , not the reg season wings.

    I know, that's why I said 4. The other reason I said 4 is because there's always a sweep and that's the only series I can see being swept. But go Jackets! I hate the wings...plus no Dominik and Osgood's GAA is high, but Conklin's been good

    The Detroit Red Wings are by far the least exciting team in the NHL to watch. Talented? Yes. Winners? No doubt. Boring? I would amost rather watch a basketball game than watch a Wings game.

    Since work has slowed down a little this year and I have time to watch some games, I had better not be subjected to a long Wings run in the playoffs.

    Columbus in 6.
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  • milarsomilarso Posts: 1,280
    Songburst wrote:

    The Detroit Red Wings are by far the least exciting team in the NHL to watch. Talented? Yes. Winners? No doubt. Boring? I would amost rather watch a basketball game than watch a Wings game.

    Since work has slowed down a little this year and I have time to watch some games, I had better not be subjected to a long Wings run in the playoffs.

    Columbus in 6.

    So... let me get this right... because you think they are boring to watch, the Red Wings (the defending champion and holder of the second best record in the Western Conference) is going to lose to a team making it's first playoff appearance in franchise history?

    Great logic and general insight into the game... :roll:

    And I'd really like to know what you deem "exciting". Apparently it's not winning. And it must not be scoring either. Just for the record, Detroit has scored more goals than any other team in the league this year, by like 20. I guess that's just not "exciting" enough...
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  • SongburstSongburst Posts: 1,195
    milarso wrote:
    Songburst wrote:

    The Detroit Red Wings are by far the least exciting team in the NHL to watch. Talented? Yes. Winners? No doubt. Boring? I would amost rather watch a basketball game than watch a Wings game.

    Since work has slowed down a little this year and I have time to watch some games, I had better not be subjected to a long Wings run in the playoffs.

    Columbus in 6.

    So... let me get this right... because you think they are boring to watch, the Red Wings (the defending champion and holder of the second best record in the Western Conference) is going to lose to a team making it's first playoff appearance in franchise history?

    Great logic and general insight into the game... :roll:

    And I'd really like to know what you deem "exciting". Apparently it's not winning. And it must not be scoring either. Just for the record, Detroit has scored more goals than any other team in the league this year, by like 20. I guess that's just not "exciting" enough...

    Exciting hockey is not about winning or scoring, it's about playing an emotional game. That's what makes it entertaining. I could give a shit if my favourite team went 82-0 if they played Wings-style hockey. Detroit never shows any emotion when they play. They never initiate. They never retaliate. They never respond to a dirty hit. They just wait patiently, take their lumps, get their power plays, score their goals, win the game and lull everybody to sleep in doing so. I haven't seen them play with emotion in a long time.

    Surely you remember the Detroit - Colorado games of the mid 90s? Those were always good hockey games, played with emotion and it didn't matter how many goals were scored to make it an entertaining game. Detroit just doesn't play any games on that emotional level (or any level even remotely close) anymore.
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  • Don't think my Blue Jackets have a chance in hell, they petered out at the end of the season and it cost them big time. I think they'll get 1 emotional win and that's it.
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  • Bathgate66Bathgate66 Posts: 15,813
    holy shit

    oh all ye of little faith

    i believe the NYRs defense can handle the top line(s) of WASH s attacks,

    and im even more fully at ease and comfortable that our goaltenmding outshines their mediocre candidates.




    If there is going to be an X-factor in the series, it will be Sean Avery. The player who should be wearing number 36 instead 16 (for three sixes -- 666, the mark of the beast) has demonstrated in the last two playoff years what his impact can be, as well as what it may not be. In each first round Ranger win those two seasons, Avery drove the opposition's key player to distraction -- Ilya Kovalchuk in a sweep of Atlanta two years ago, Martin Brodeur in a near-sweep of the Devils last year, both Ranger upsets. But just as emphatically as he catalyzed those wins, he was made a non-factor in each second round loss when opponents chose to ignore him. How will Ovechkin and the Caps react? Will the fact that their coach had Avery in the minors make a difference?

    One other factor needs to be highlighted going into the series. Look at the scoring lists of the two teams. There is huge difference in the top four, but after that, the numbers are even -- the Caps' top four were all among the league's top 30 scorers, the Rangers had no one in the top 60. But except for slap-happy Alexander Semin, the other three top Washington scorers -- Ovechkin, linemate Nicklas Backstrom, and defenseman Mike Green -- generally play on the same unit. The Rangers' top scorers are liberally sprinkled across three lines. There is, it would seem, more of an opportunity for Lundqvist and the Rangers to shut down the Caps' top unit and/or offset it with their more balanced attack. On the other hand, this is playoff hockey, where dark horses usually have an unpredictable impact (anyone remember Bobby Sheehan?).









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  • Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 6,056
    I hate you all.
    Fuckin Oilers :evil: :evil: :evil:
  • milarsomilarso Posts: 1,280
    Songburst wrote:
    Exciting hockey is not about winning or scoring, it's about playing an emotional game. That's what makes it entertaining. I could give a shit if my favourite team went 82-0 if they played Wings-style hockey. Detroit never shows any emotion when they play. They never initiate. They never retaliate. They never respond to a dirty hit. They just wait patiently, take their lumps, get their power plays, score their goals, win the game and lull everybody to sleep in doing so. I haven't seen them play with emotion in a long time.

    Surely you remember the Detroit - Colorado games of the mid 90s? Those were always good hockey games, played with emotion and it didn't matter how many goals were scored to make it an entertaining game. Detroit just doesn't play any games on that emotional level (or any level even remotely close) anymore.

    "Exciting hockey is not about winning..."- Probably the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard when it comes to sports. I'm so sure you're team would go undefeated and you wouldn't care, basically because, they don't play dirty, or how you say it "with emotion".

    And the sad thing is, you don't even know what you are talking about. The Wings don't take bad penalties, but they don't get pushed around either. They don't fight, but they don't have to. Last year during the playoffs Nick Kronwall knocked the shit out of anyone that came near him. But that's not "emotional" enough for you...

    And yes, I do remember the Detroit-Colorado games of the mid 90's. And you would be a fool to tell me that the game hasn't changed since then, and that you could be successful with that kind of retaliation-based, bang em up style of play. Sorry, I forgot, being successful isn't as important to you. Taking penalties and retaliating is much more exciting...
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  • RygarRygar Posts: 8,689
    petrocs wrote:
    Hey..I didnt pick up to win but we are the most high powered offense in the East. And the Rangers might push it to 6 but they arent getting out the first round..sorry man
    You mean 3rd 'most high powered offense' in the East?
  • RygarRygar Posts: 8,689
    Bathgate66 wrote:
    holy shit

    oh all ye of little faith

    i believe the NYRs defense can handle the top line(s) of WASH s attacks,

    and im even more fully at ease and comfortable that our goaltenmding outshines their mediocre candidates.

    Maybe they can, but it is even more likely that they're simply going to outscore you, even with their shoddy goaltending.

    PS: Avery is a twat - common knowledge.
  • rival.rival. Chicago Posts: 7,775
    Rygar wrote:
    Bathgate66 wrote:
    holy shit

    oh all ye of little faith

    i believe the NYRs defense can handle the top line(s) of WASH s attacks,

    and im even more fully at ease and comfortable that our goaltenmding outshines their mediocre candidates.

    Maybe they can, but it is even more likely that they're simply going to outscore you, even with their shoddy goaltending.

    PS: Avery is a twat - common knowledge.

    thats why i am a little weary about this series. the rangers have faced shoddy goaltending throughout the year and still could not bury the puck for the life of them. when their offense is cold, its cold... doesn't make a difference who is in goal. all depends on what rangers team shows up. staal had a great two round last year for the rangers and he will be the man on ovechkin, will be a great test.

    if washington spends as much time paying attention to avery like you do, we should breeze right by into the second round. :)
  • RygarRygar Posts: 8,689
    Rygar wrote:
    Bathgate66 wrote:
    holy shit

    oh all ye of little faith

    i believe the NYRs defense can handle the top line(s) of WASH s attacks,

    and im even more fully at ease and comfortable that our goaltenmding outshines their mediocre candidates.

    Maybe they can, but it is even more likely that they're simply going to outscore you, even with their shoddy goaltending.

    PS: Avery is a twat - common knowledge.

    thats why i am a little weary about this series. the rangers have faced shoddy goaltending throughout the year and still could not bury the puck for the life of them. when their offense is cold, its cold... doesn't make a difference who is in goal. all depends on what rangers team shows up. staal had a great two round last year for the rangers and he will be the man on ovechkin, will be a great test.

    if washington spends as much time paying attention to avery like you do, we should breeze right by into the second round. :)
    I'll give you that one :P
    It isn't Avery that bugs me, it's the fact that anyone actually cheers for him. Well that isn't quite true. Avery bugs me.

    Theodore is a giant question mark in goal for the Caps, and I would not use the word 'reliable' in the same sentence with him (except for a sentence like this one, explaining why he isn't...), but he has his hot streaks.
  • megatronmegatron Posts: 3,420
    alright..on pure biased opinion
    wings v caps
    would love to see fedorov play the wings in the finals..what a line they have
  • wooohooooo!! Lets Go!!! Going to the Canucks/Blues Game 1 tonight!
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  • restlesssoulrestlesssoul Posts: 6,951
    HERE WE GO!!!!!


    GO NUCKS GO!
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  • SongburstSongburst Posts: 1,195
    milarso wrote:
    Songburst wrote:
    Exciting hockey is not about winning or scoring, it's about playing an emotional game. That's what makes it entertaining. I could give a shit if my favourite team went 82-0 if they played Wings-style hockey. Detroit never shows any emotion when they play. They never initiate. They never retaliate. They never respond to a dirty hit. They just wait patiently, take their lumps, get their power plays, score their goals, win the game and lull everybody to sleep in doing so. I haven't seen them play with emotion in a long time.

    Surely you remember the Detroit - Colorado games of the mid 90s? Those were always good hockey games, played with emotion and it didn't matter how many goals were scored to make it an entertaining game. Detroit just doesn't play any games on that emotional level (or any level even remotely close) anymore.

    "Exciting hockey is not about winning..."- Probably the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard when it comes to sports. I'm so sure you're team would go undefeated and you wouldn't care, basically because, they don't play dirty, or how you say it "with emotion".

    And the sad thing is, you don't even know what you are talking about. The Wings don't take bad penalties, but they don't get pushed around either. They don't fight, but they don't have to. Last year during the playoffs Nick Kronwall knocked the shit out of anyone that came near him. But that's not "emotional" enough for you...

    And yes, I do remember the Detroit-Colorado games of the mid 90's. And you would be a fool to tell me that the game hasn't changed since then, and that you could be successful with that kind of retaliation-based, bang em up style of play. Sorry, I forgot, being successful isn't as important to you. Taking penalties and retaliating is much more exciting...

    Whatever. Detroit is fucking boring to watch. Kronwall didn't knock the shit out of anybody -- he was just the only Wing who attempted a body check.

    If you think that winning is exciting, watch the exciting games of the teams that were coached by Jacques Lemaire. He won 2 or 3 Stanley Cups and his teams were all god awful to watch.
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  • milarsomilarso Posts: 1,280
    Songburst wrote:

    If you think that winning is exciting, watch the exciting games of the teams that were coached by Jacques Lemaire. He won 2 or 3 Stanley Cups and his teams were all god awful to watch.

    Lemaire only won one Cup. And it was in a strike shortened season. Besides that he never even made it to another SC final. Nice try though.
    I understand you have an opinion, but if you could refrain from just making shit up to support it, that would be great.
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  • SongburstSongburst Posts: 1,195
    milarso wrote:
    Songburst wrote:

    If you think that winning is exciting, watch the exciting games of the teams that were coached by Jacques Lemaire. He won 2 or 3 Stanley Cups and his teams were all god awful to watch.

    Lemaire only won one Cup. And it was in a strike shortened season. Besides that he never even made it to another SC final. Nice try though.
    I understand you have an opinion, but if you could refrain from just making shit up to support it, that would be great.
    Lol. Thank you google. It still doesn't make Detroit hockey any more bearable to watch.
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  • milarsomilarso Posts: 1,280
    Songburst wrote:
    milarso wrote:
    Songburst wrote:

    If you think that winning is exciting, watch the exciting games of the teams that were coached by Jacques Lemaire. He won 2 or 3 Stanley Cups and his teams were all god awful to watch.

    Lemaire only won one Cup. And it was in a strike shortened season. Besides that he never even made it to another SC final. Nice try though.
    I understand you have an opinion, but if you could refrain from just making shit up to support it, that would be great.
    Lol. Thank you google. It still doesn't make Detroit hockey any more bearable to watch.

    I hear you. It's clear I'm not going to convert you.
    I guess we'll just have to cancel one another out with our cheering.
    Here's hoping Marian Hossa and Nick Lidstrom start dropping the gloves and restore your faith. :lol:
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  • SongburstSongburst Posts: 1,195
    milarso wrote:
    I hear you. It's clear I'm not going to convert you.
    I guess we'll just have to cancel one another out with our cheering.
    Here's hoping Marian Hossa and Nick Lidstrom start dropping the gloves and restore your faith. :lol:

    It's not even about dropping the gloves. There is an intensity in some games that you just never see in Detroit games anymore. There is no character on their team. There is nobody to root for -- nobody to hate. They are just a really bland hockey team (albeit a winning bland hockey team).

    But what do I know? I picked Carolina to come out of the east in my work pool. Oops.
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  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    Fuck the 'nucks! Go Blues!

    This is what's going to heppen to Demitra and the Sedin twins...
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  • restlesssoulrestlesssoul Posts: 6,951
    Fuck the 'nucks! Go Blues!

    This is what's going to heppen to Demitra and the Sedin twins...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIIpCbE1VCc


    that oshie hit on Nash is wicked!!! Nash ain't no small fry neither.

    but the canucks will have blues fans singing the blues shortly. another fruitless postseason for ol St Louis Im afraid. hhahahahahhahahahhahaaa :D:lol::D blues suck.

    i enjoyed a great game 7 at the garage back in 2003.....you remember that one? oh yeah, i do. haahhahahahhaa bertuzzi's hit on jackman? oh yeah.
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