Dave A putting up videos on youyube!

Sleep.With.Innocence

(Pulled from a different thread)

You know as someone who plays drums I could argue this point until my face turns blue. :P

What exactly can Matt do better than Dave? He isn't as fluid in his movements, his feet definitely are NOT better (Again listen to his calf go crazy on State of Love and Trust) He can't play faster (Listen to any live Porch)

Is it maybe because of his Jazz technique? That's the only thing I could think of that might put Matt higher than Dave, because based on pure talent, the argument isn't even close.

And sorry Jenny, I've never argued this (I'm still a newbie here)

And I don't like the way Matt plays who you are either. And for that matter the way Jack played Given to Fly on SVT was amazing. Matt doesn't do that either.. :(

That being said I still love Matt as a drummer, and I love Jack to. Just as a drummer I know how difficult it is to mimic Dave's style.

OceansJenny

South of Seattle wrote:

gndcd402 wrote:

South of Seattle wrote:

I liked Dave's comment that he made on someone's Indio 93 vid

thats my video :P

I figured there was a 92% chance it was one of yours

I was going to say the same thing!

CJMST3K

Sleep.With.Innocence wrote:

And I don't like the way Matt plays who you are either. And for that matter the way Jack played Given to Fly on SVT was amazing. Matt doesn't do that either.. :(

That being said I still love Matt as a drummer, and I love Jack to. Just as a drummer I know how difficult it is to mimic Dave's style.

Matt is getting better at Who You Are. I was lucky enough to see a private rehearsal with them, and I got to watch Matt from right behind him.

But Matt unfortunately can't match or come close to the intricacies and timing that Dave had, or even matching how Jack played on Dave's material, which in effect was a simpler version of Dave's playing. (see previous page - I explained it in high detail with video comparisons).

Sleep.With.Innocence

CJMST3K wrote:

Sleep.With.Innocence wrote:

And I don't like the way Matt plays who you are either. And for that matter the way Jack played Given to Fly on SVT was amazing. Matt doesn't do that either.. :(

That being said I still love Matt as a drummer, and I love Jack to. Just as a drummer I know how difficult it is to mimic Dave's style.

Matt is getting better at Who You Are. I was lucky enough to see a private rehearsal with them, and I got to watch Matt from right behind him.

But Matt unfortunately can't match or come close to the intricacies and timing that Dave had, or even matching how Jack played on Dave's material, which in effect was a simpler version of Dave's playing. (see previous page - I explained it in high detail with video comparisons).

I watched those video comparisons, you hit blood right on the nose!

And what I loved about Jack is you can tell he actually took the time to listen to prior records. A lot of the time it sounds like Matt is just doing his own thing on the older stuff.

NewJPage

why can't they just get this guy to drum for them??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqRytQospMA

dimitrispearljam

couse he is not alive?

Timmortal

100 Pacer wrote:

it's ALWAYS great seeing Stone's dancing in the early days!

Stone did a dance London Ontario 2005 it was great!!! It all started with a "LET STONE SING" fansign EDDIE responded to then Stone said "I don't wanna sing I wanna Dance!" then did a funkybutt dance HIGHLARIOUS

NewJPage

dimitrispearljam wrote:

couse he is not alive?

yes, i know. but its seems just about as likely of them getting dave A back...plus that video is fucking amazing, so i posted it.

hopethatuchoke

Dave's drum "sound" was superior to Matt's. Matt's is just flat and lacks umph. That probably sounds stupid but it's the best way to explain it. It's sad watching these videos and seeing how good the drums and these songs could sound live today.

benjs

hopethatuchoke wrote:

Dave's drum "sound" was superior to Matt's. Matt's is just flat and lacks umph. That probably sounds stupid but it's the best way to explain it. It's sad watching these videos and seeing how good the drums and these songs could sound live today.

If by "umph" you mean sheer fuckin' power, then yes, Matt does lack umph. Technically though, Matt is the best drummer Pearl Jam has ever had, I'd say.

CJMST3K

benjs wrote:

hopethatuchoke wrote:

Dave's drum "sound" was superior to Matt's. Matt's is just flat and lacks umph. That probably sounds stupid but it's the best way to explain it. It's sad watching these videos and seeing how good the drums and these songs could sound live today.

If by "umph" you mean sheer fuckin' power, then yes, Matt does lack umph. Technically though, Matt is the best drummer Pearl Jam has ever had, I'd say.

Why you say that "technically Matt is the best drummer". Is there a list of stats your looking at or something?

I think that, technically, Dave was the best drummer in PJ.

If you go here and scroll down to the 5th post, it explains why I believe Dave's work, particularly on early material, is technically the best: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=95437&start=75

DreamOfAngels

Sleep.With.Innocence wrote:

And what I loved about Jack is you can tell he actually took the time to listen to prior records. A lot of the time it sounds like Matt is just doing his own thing on the older stuff.

I'm sorry, but I don't understand this statement. Was it a requirement when Matt joined PJ that he had to play like anyone else? or did they ask him to play drums and then ask him to play the songs that used to be played by someone else? I would think he should be able to do his own thing since he is his own person. Clearly, he has to follow the music to a point.. but why not allow him the ability to be free/creative and change it up a bit?

I know you can't *hear* me asking this question so I'll make it clear - I'm not attacking. I'm just confused and asking for conversation on this point. I just don't understand the expectation that Matt should have to try to play the drums just like Dave or just like Jack. I personally think that is the neat thing about individuality in musicians. An example would be when PJ does a cover of a song - it's okay that the cover doesn't sound exactly like the original - they are adding some "PJ" to the recipe. I personally like messing with recipies

Thanks - again, i'm just asking the question. Makes me nervous to post considering how messages get misinterpreted on this board.

CJMST3K

DreamOfAngels wrote:

Sleep.With.Innocence wrote:

And what I loved about Jack is you can tell he actually took the time to listen to prior records. A lot of the time it sounds like Matt is just doing his own thing on the older stuff.

I'm sorry, but I don't understand this statement. Was it a requirement when Matt joined PJ that he had to play like anyone else? or did they ask him to play drums and then ask him to play the songs that used to be played by someone else? I would think he should be able to do his own thing since he is his own person. Clearly, he has to follow the music to a point.. but why not allow him the ability to be free/creative and change it up a bit?

I know you can't *hear* me asking this question so I'll make it clear - I'm not attacking. I'm just confused and asking for conversation on this point. I just don't understand the expectation that Matt should have to try to play the drums just like Dave or just like Jack. I personally think that is the neat thing about individuality in musicians. An example would be when PJ does a cover of a song - it's okay that the cover doesn't sound exactly like the original - they are adding some "PJ" to the recipe. I personally like messing with recipies

Thanks - again, i'm just asking the question. Makes me nervous to post considering how messages get misinterpreted on this board.

I understand his statement, and I agree.

Matt didn't seem to give a lot of the early songs much of a listen, and just seemed to jam it out with the band, and however he decided to play it is how it continued regardless of fan's familiarity or enjoyment of the original arrangement.

I believe PJ said to each drummer to play however they want.

For those of us who enjoyed the early stuff more, it's kinda like this: Imagine Ed was kicked out of the band, and they have a new singer, and instead of learning the words, the new singer just came up with new words instead. Would you enjoy it the same? Does your "messing with recipes" scenario hold water in this situation?

(all smiles - no attacks )

DreamOfAngels

Wow.. messing with the recipe does not include kicking out Eddie!! Shame on you for the suggestion :x That said, I guess I never thought of changing the drummer as equivalent to changing the singer. Maybe it depends on which part of the band your brain focuses on more ? For me, the vocals are more of a focus than the other instruments.

I love the music PJ creates and plays. I absolutely love Ed's voice. I love Ed's voice with the PJ music. I love Ed's voice with any band I've heard him sing with. If Ed left PJ, and the band found another singer... I would be willing to give it a listen... maybe I'd still be there and maybe not. However, one thing is for certain - I would follow Ed's voice and ride the wave where it takes me. Now, as to whether I would continue to listen to PJ with the PJ songs but new singer using new lyrics.. it would have to depend on how the music changes. Doesn't mean I wouldn't miss the old, but I do think I would be able to separate out that it is a new person, it is a new band, and I would either continue to love it and stick with it or not.

Don't get me wrong.. I loved watching Dave play and do miss his enthusiasm - but clearly his absence has not killed my PJ addiction. Ed's absence might.

To reminisce about the old days... watch this crazy scene - absolutely insane - the security in the front row stay busy the entire time, Ed disappears at some point near the end into the crowd, Stone smashes his guitar into tiny pieces, and Jeff is practicing skateboarding while he's playing, and fans are throwing things on stage the entire song... it's amazing they all got off stage alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bswse16jGi8&NR=1

Thanks for responding respectfully CJMST3K !!!

CJMST3K

DreamOfAngels wrote:

Thanks for responding respectfully CJMST3K !!!

Anytime DreamOfAngels.

kiljoythemerciful

Technically, my favorite food is pizza. Technically, I don't enjoy spending time with my in-laws. Technically, I look forward to Friday every week. See what I'm getting at...personal tastes.

Eddie and Jeff, technically didn't like the way Dave played the drums. I know everyone thinks this is an Eddie didn't like Dave thing, but from what I've heard and read from band members is that his playing was just as much of an issue as his personality.

Technically, I think Matt is the best drummer. I also remember a whole bunch of fans moaning when Jack joined the band and the drums didn't sound right.

Gary Carter

kiljoythemerciful wrote:

Technically, my favorite food is pizza. Technically, I don't enjoy spending time with my in-laws. Technically, I look forward to Friday every week. See what I'm getting at...personal tastes.

Eddie and Jeff, technically didn't like the way Dave played the drums. I know everyone thinks this is an Eddie didn't like Dave thing, but from what I've heard and read from band members is that his playing was just as much of an issue as his personality.

Technically, I think Matt is the best drummer. I also remember a whole bunch of fans moaning when Jack joined the band and the drums didn't sound right.

if they didn't like his playing then why bring him into the band. That seems kinda silly. No one ever will truly know what went down cept for the 5 members of the band at the time and the crew who worked for them. Ed and jeff had just a big of ego as dave did back in those days. It be nice to see ed and dave a make amends and maybe the band can finally give dave a his credit for being a part of the band. It was very dickish to not have dave sign the boxset and instead you have matt sign it. Matt wasn't even around for ten cept for being on the early demos.

CJMST3K

metsfan wrote:

kiljoythemerciful wrote:

Technically, my favorite food is pizza. Technically, I don't enjoy spending time with my in-laws. Technically, I look forward to Friday every week. See what I'm getting at...personal tastes.

Eddie and Jeff, technically didn't like the way Dave played the drums. I know everyone thinks this is an Eddie didn't like Dave thing, but from what I've heard and read from band members is that his playing was just as much of an issue as his personality.

Technically, I think Matt is the best drummer. I also remember a whole bunch of fans moaning when Jack joined the band and the drums didn't sound right.

if they didn't like his playing then why bring him into the band. That seems kinda silly. No one ever will truly know what went down cept for the 5 members of the band at the time and the crew who worked for them. Ed and jeff had just a big of ego as dave did back in those days. It be nice to see ed and dave a make amends and maybe the band can finally give dave a his credit for being a part of the band. It was very dickish to not have dave sign the boxset instead you have matt sign it. Matt wasn't even around for ten cept for being on the early demos.

I agree 100%.

Why not get a new drummer to replace Dave in 1992, if they didn't like him? Why record VS with a drummer who didn't play as they liked? Why record Vitalogy with a drummer who didn't play as they liked?

I DO think that EV and maybe the rest of the band wanted to go in a "new" direction musically, and No Code simply would not have been No Code with Dave A. I think them becoming annoyed with the spotlight created tension and lack of communication within the band. I think Ed wanted to slow down the pace of things and axing Dave allowed for a reset. I think that if the spotlight wasn't so crazy back then, they wouldn't have overreacted so severely. Kinda like if your finger hurts, it's usually not best to hit your toe with a hammer, but it does make you forget about your finger pain.

In my opinion, as far as their live performances, they sacrificed most of the VS and Vitalogy songs in order to change direction for the future. Since Vs and Vitalogy are my favorite material, and their sound was built around Dave's playing, I miss their musicality.

I think Ed and band need to grow a pair of b@lls and give Dave a call, and be gents and give him credit, and stop being d1cks. ...and cutting Dave's photo out of the MTV Unplugged DVD? It really knocked PJ down a few pegs in the respect I used to give them. It shows you how shallow they can be.

norm

forget dave, jack or matt...this guy should be the bands drummer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr-Cr999fy0

Gary Carter

CJMST3K wrote:

metsfan wrote:

kiljoythemerciful wrote:

Technically, my favorite food is pizza. Technically, I don't enjoy spending time with my in-laws. Technically, I look forward to Friday every week. See what I'm getting at...personal tastes.

Eddie and Jeff, technically didn't like the way Dave played the drums. I know everyone thinks this is an Eddie didn't like Dave thing, but from what I've heard and read from band members is that his playing was just as much of an issue as his personality.

Technically, I think Matt is the best drummer. I also remember a whole bunch of fans moaning when Jack joined the band and the drums didn't sound right.

if they didn't like his playing then why bring him into the band. That seems kinda silly. No one ever will truly know what went down cept for the 5 members of the band at the time and the crew who worked for them. Ed and jeff had just a big of ego as dave did back in those days. It be nice to see ed and dave a make amends and maybe the band can finally give dave a his credit for being a part of the band. It was very dickish to not have dave sign the boxset instead you have matt sign it. Matt wasn't even around for ten cept for being on the early demos.

I agree 100%.

Why not get a new drummer to replace Dave in 1992, if they didn't like him? Why record VS with a drummer who didn't play as they liked? Why record Vitalogy with a drummer who didn't play as they liked?

I DO think that EV and maybe the rest of the band wanted to go in a "new" direction musically, and No Code simply would not have been No Code with Dave A.

In my opinion, as far as their live performances, they sacrificed most of the VS and Vitalogy songs in order to change direction for the future. Since Vs and Vitalogy are my favorite material, and their sound was built around Dave's playing, I miss their musicality.

I think Ed and band need to grow a pair of b@lls and give Dave a call, and be gents and give him credit, and stop being d1cks. ...and cutting Dave's photo out of the MTV Unplugged DVD? It really knocked PJ down a few pegs in the respect I used to give them. It shows you how shallow they can be.

agreed 100%

I love that 91-95 era. You had 3 great drummers. Those early shows were raw and had energy. It was like you didn't know if the band was gonna have a metldown right in front of your face. It was very who-ish in a way.