I think Ed and band need to grow a pair of b@lls and give Dave a call, and be gents and give him credit, and stop being d1cks. ...and cutting Dave's photo out of the MTV Unplugged DVD? It really knocked PJ down a few pegs in the respect I used to give them. It shows you how shallow they can be.
Is it possible they had to ask Dave for his permission and he said "NO"? Is it possible that their contract wouldn't allow for Dave to be included since he is not a current member? We have no idea what went on back then or what goes on now behind the scenes. In the absence of any clear evidence that the current members behaved in any inappropriate way, I'm inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt.
Does Dave even care about getting this credit? Do you think that is why he started posting all this old PJ stuff on youtube early spring with himself as a part of the band?
Is it possible they had to ask Dave for his permission and he said "NO"? Is it possible that their contract wouldn't allow for Dave to be included since he is not a current member?
Then they wouldn't have been able to use the token small pic of him inside the boxed set.
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*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
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I think Ed and band need to grow a pair of b@lls and give Dave a call, and be gents and give him credit, and stop being d1cks. ...and cutting Dave's photo out of the MTV Unplugged DVD? It really knocked PJ down a few pegs in the respect I used to give them. It shows you how shallow they can be.
Is it possible they had to ask Dave for his permission and he said "NO"? Is it possible that their contract wouldn't allow for Dave to be included since he is not a current member? We have no idea what went on back then or what goes on now behind the scenes. In the absence of any clear evidence that the current members behaved in any inappropriate way, I'm inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt.
removing all images and evidence of Dave's presence was done entirely at the band's discretion,...
To quote the 10C from Newsletter #8: "Please understand we have a lot of members and it is very hard to please everybody. If you are one of those unhappy people...please call 1-900-IDN-TCAR."
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
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I still hope Soundgarden reunites (which would be awesome in and of itself) and Jack comes back to PJ, but if we could take personality conflicts out of it, I would love to see Dave behind the kit again as well.
Why do people run straight to the conclusion that if SG reunites, that means Matt will quit PJ?
I would put big money on the fact that that will not happen. I am all for an SG reunion, I think it would be bad-fucking-ass!! But, that in no equates to Matt is leaving PJ. I just don't see it happening that way. There is too much off time from the PJ machine for all band members to do many other projects.
I still hope Soundgarden reunites (which would be awesome in and of itself) and Jack comes back to PJ, but if we could take personality conflicts out of it, I would love to see Dave behind the kit again as well.
Why do people run straight to the conclusion that if SG reunites, that means Matt will quit PJ?
I would put big money on the fact that that will not happen. I am all for an SG reunion, I think it would be bad-fucking-ass!! But, that in no equates to Matt is leaving PJ. I just don't see it happening that way. There is too much off time from the PJ machine for all band members to do many other projects.
Matt isn't leaving. I don't think anyone is really thinking that's gonna happen.
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*NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
I still hope Soundgarden reunites (which would be awesome in and of itself) and Jack comes back to PJ, but if we could take personality conflicts out of it, I would love to see Dave behind the kit again as well.
Why do people run straight to the conclusion that if SG reunites, that means Matt will quit PJ?
I would put big money on the fact that that will not happen. I am all for an SG reunion, I think it would be bad-fucking-ass!! But, that in no equates to Matt is leaving PJ. I just don't see it happening that way. There is too much off time from the PJ machine for all band members to do many other projects.
or right away they want jack as the drummer. Do people forget the 98 tour when he said I'm done I can't drum or the fact he's retired from drumming. Jack was a fill in drumming and basically was bought in to save the band. I don't get why people think matt would leave. If jeff and stone can tour with green river and make new music green river. why can't matt do the same with SG
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Is it possible they had to ask Dave for his permission and he said "NO"? Is it possible that their contract wouldn't allow for Dave to be included since he is not a current member? We have no idea what went on back then or what goes on now behind the scenes. In the absence of any clear evidence that the current members behaved in any inappropriate way, I'm inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt.
Does Dave even care about getting this credit? Do you think that is why he started posting all this old PJ stuff on youtube early spring with himself as a part of the band?
Then they wouldn't have been able to use the token small pic of him inside the boxed set.
*NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
removing all images and evidence of Dave's presence was done entirely at the band's discretion,...
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Missoula, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore - 2025: Hollywood X2, Atlanta 2, Nashville X2, Pittsburgh X2
Yeah... I think they just want to put Dave behind them. Even the "credit" they gave him during the Grammy's was quick and half-hearted.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHEYs0CMe4U
...as far as I know, that was the last time they spoke his name in public.
*NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
I would put big money on the fact that that will not happen. I am all for an SG reunion, I think it would be bad-fucking-ass!! But, that in no equates to Matt is leaving PJ. I just don't see it happening that way. There is too much off time from the PJ machine for all band members to do many other projects.
Matt isn't leaving. I don't think anyone is really thinking that's gonna happen.
*NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
Sammi: Wanna just break up?
*NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10