uhm, no actually what i was saying that ignoring negative criticisms of the albums as just "opinions" is the argument a 6 year old would use. of course its an opinion. if you said that u liked the music and left it at that, id have not called you on it. disregarding "opinions" purely on the basis that they arent your opinions is condescending, and frankly, stupid. thats all i was saying.
and yeah, of course its possible for someone to like it. i never said it wasnt. But i am saying it is ok for others to criticise it. im a pearl jam fan, im used to people i know not getting what i see in music.
you'll just be in a far greater minority if you like this album, that's all.
I am not ignoring negative criticisms, I am disagreeing with them, as is my right, just as it is anyone's. I am simply stating that criticism of any sort is an opinion. People on here have been condescending with their attitudes. I have been anything BUT condescending. I am not trying to sway people to my side. I am simply stating what some don't seem to understand. Whether or not a 6 year old would use this argument makes no difference. It is a correct argument.
Where did I disregard an opinion? I have addressed everything fairly. I was simply respectfully debating someone who was presenting his opinions as facts.
The idea that everyone's opinion of music is equally valid has given us the "Idol" phenomenon. I choose to believe that there are people who know better. It keeps me from mourning too much for the slow, strangled death of worthwhile music.
The idea that everyone's opinion of music is equally valid has given us the "Idol" phenomenon. I choose to believe that there are people who know better. It keeps me from mourning too much for the slow, strangled death of worthwhile music.
It seems pretty clear that most people who are arguing so vehemently against this album are swayed by the music critics and either a) Haven't actually listened to the album for more than 2 minutes or b) Don't like this style of music. If you have even a minor affinity for hip hop/dance and love CC's music/voice/songwriting, then there is some really good music on this record, if you give it a chance. Just because you don't like the style, don't shit all over it. CC doesn't owe you anything and doesn't need to stay in the same rut his whole life. The guy is over 40 and has given enough great rock music to his fans that I think he's allowed a little detour to explore other musical interests at this point in his life.
24 years old, mid-life crisis
nowadays hits you when you're young
It seems pretty clear that most people who are arguing so vehemently against this album are swayed by the music critics and either a) Haven't actually listened to the album for more than 2 minutes or b) Don't like this style of music. If you have even a minor affinity for hip hop/dance and love CC's music/voice/songwriting, then there is some really good music on this record, if you give it a chance. Just because you don't like the style, don't shit all over it. CC doesn't owe you anything and doesn't need to stay in the same rut his whole life. The guy is over 40 and has given enough great rock music to his fans that I think he's allowed a little detour to explore other musical interests at this point in his life.
It seems pretty clear that most people who are arguing so vehemently against this album are swayed by the music critics and either a) Haven't actually listened to the album for more than 2 minutes or b) Don't like this style of music. If you have even a minor affinity for hip hop/dance and love CC's music/voice/songwriting, then there is some really good music on this record, if you give it a chance. Just because you don't like the style, don't shit all over it. CC doesn't owe you anything and doesn't need to stay in the same rut his whole life. The guy is over 40 and has given enough great rock music to his fans that I think he's allowed a little detour to explore other musical interests at this point in his life.
I reserve the right to "shit all over" Scream and any other music that my ears find to be awful just as you have the right to love said awful music. You're swallowing quite a bit of judgementalism yourself.
I've had well over 6 months to digest songs from this album and I can honestly say that they sound as bad today as they did when I first heard them and no critic's input was necessary in order to come to this conlusion. And no one with half a brain thinks that any artist owes them anything other than the pleasure of their music; on that same note, no artist is entitled to any fan's unconditional and unquestioning loyalty. If an artist has yours, yay for you but I chose to like/dislike based on my own standards of quality. I don't go "baaaaaaa" because I'm not a mindless sheep for music. This time last year I left my mind wide open and hoped that something would come of this project that would pique my brain and be worth the risk that he was taking. But vapid, low grade lyrics, recycled, unoriginal beats and processing that washes over the vocals instead of enhancing them does nothing for me. Apparently it does nothing for a lot of people.
People don't like Scream on its merits; be a grown up and just deal with it and you can still dig the album all you want.
It seems pretty clear that most people who are arguing so vehemently against this album are swayed by the music critics and either a) Haven't actually listened to the album for more than 2 minutes or b) Don't like this style of music. If you have even a minor affinity for hip hop/dance and love CC's music/voice/songwriting, then there is some really good music on this record, if you give it a chance. Just because you don't like the style, don't shit all over it. CC doesn't owe you anything and doesn't need to stay in the same rut his whole life. The guy is over 40 and has given enough great rock music to his fans that I think he's allowed a little detour to explore other musical interests at this point in his life.
Thats all fine and fair but.. if 90 percent of your fan base is disgusted and doesn't give a shit anymore... then who is chris cornell? I'm sorry but don't spend 20 years building a fan base around a specific type of music and then 20 years later decide its time to mix in some dance hits... i mean unless you just totally want to lose all your previous credibility and respect. Makes sense right?
Thats all fine and fair but.. if 90 percent of your fan base is disgusted and doesn't give a shit anymore... then who is chris cornell? I'm sorry but don't spend 20 years building a fan base around a specific type of music and then 20 years later decide its time to mix in some dance hits... i mean unless you just totally want to lose all your previous credibility and respect. Makes sense right?
No, it really doesn't make sense.
Going by your logic, Cornell basically HAS to make the same kind of music he's always made and is known for, and can't veer off the beaten path.
God forbid musical artists do what the fuck they want and try things atypical of the music they're known for. :roll:
I reserve the right to "shit all over" Scream and any other music that my ears find to be awful just as you have the right to love said awful music. You're swallowing quite a bit of judgementalism yourself.
I've had well over 6 months to digest songs from this album and I can honestly say that they sound as bad today as they did when I first heard them and no critic's input was necessary in order to come to this conlusion. And no on with half a brain thinks that any artist owes them anything of the pleasure of theri music; on that same note, no artist is entitled to any fan's unconditional and unquestioning loyalty. If an artist has yours, yay for you but I chose to like/dislike based on my own standards of quality. I don't go "baaaaaaa" because I'm not a mindless sheep for music. This time last year I left my mind wide open and hoped that something would come of this project that would be pique my brain and be worth the risk that he was taking. But vapid, low grade lyrics, recycled, unoriginal beats and processing that washes over the vocals instead of enhancing them does nothing for me. Apparently it does nothing for a lot of people.
People don't like Scream on its merits; be a grown up and just deal with it and you can still dig the album all you want.
Just because someone likes Scream does not mean they're a mindless sheep for music. Don't be snobby.
Thats all fine and fair but.. if 90 percent of your fan base is disgusted and doesn't give a shit anymore... then who is chris cornell? I'm sorry but don't spend 20 years building a fan base around a specific type of music and then 20 years later decide its time to mix in some dance hits... i mean unless you just totally want to lose all your previous credibility and respect. Makes sense right?
God forbid musical artists do what the fuck they want and try things atypical of the music they're known for. :roll:
You don't have to like it.
I guess it just sucks for him that everyone fucking hates it.. if it was different and good, that'd be another story. This is just a sad attempt for easy money and to be relevant again and yeah, its a little offensive to people who have supported him for many years under the pretense that he was a real artist ( i am sorry but i don't consider funky little beats that come out when you push a button to be respectable music or anything i would spend my money on) For shame i say, for shame.
I reserve the right to "shit all over" Scream and any other music that my ears find to be awful just as you have the right to love said awful music. You're swallowing quite a bit of judgementalism yourself.
I've had well over 6 months to digest songs from this album and I can honestly say that they sound as bad today as they did when I first heard them and no critic's input was necessary in order to come to this conlusion. And no on with half a brain thinks that any artist owes them anything of the pleasure of theri music; on that same note, no artist is entitled to any fan's unconditional and unquestioning loyalty. If an artist has yours, yay for you but I chose to like/dislike based on my own standards of quality. I don't go "baaaaaaa" because I'm not a mindless sheep for music. This time last year I left my mind wide open and hoped that something would come of this project that would be pique my brain and be worth the risk that he was taking. But vapid, low grade lyrics, recycled, unoriginal beats and processing that washes over the vocals instead of enhancing them does nothing for me. Apparently it does nothing for a lot of people.
People don't like Scream on its merits; be a grown up and just deal with it and you can still dig the album all you want.
Just because someone likes Scream does not mean they're a mindless sheep for music. Don't be snobby.
I don't know what your petty argument is about because I don't feel like reading pages and pages of purple writing, but the main point of this thread is how fucking terrible Cornell's album is. It's HORRIBLE!!! I only hope and pray to George Carlin (funnier and smarter than Jesus and still the 50-50 ratio) that it's a joke
I guess it just sucks for him that everyone fucking hates it.. if it was different and good, that'd be another story. This is just a sad attempt for easy money and to be relevant again and yeah, its a little offensive to people who have supported him for many years under the pretense that he was a real artist ( i am sorry but i don't consider funky little beats that come out when you push a button to be respectable music or anything i would spend my money on) For shame i say, for shame.
1. not everyone hates it. there are people who like it.
2. if it was different and good? that's just your opinion. as far as some are concerned, it IS different and good.
3. any album released by any artist is an attempt for money. if it's for sale that is. this wouldn't include what radiohead did with 'in rainbows' for example even though one could pay for it if he or she wished.
I don't know what your petty argument is about because I don't feel like reading pages and pages of purple writing, but the main point of this thread is how fucking terrible Cornell's album is. It's HORRIBLE!!! I only hope and pray to George Carlin (funnier and smarter than Jesus and still the 50-50 ratio) that it's a joke
just another opinion. an album being "terrible" is not an argument. it's an opinion. arguments are proven by facts.
I guess it just sucks for him that everyone fucking hates it.. if it was different and good, that'd be another story. This is just a sad attempt for easy money and to be relevant again and yeah, its a little offensive to people who have supported him for many years under the pretense that he was a real artist ( i am sorry but i don't consider funky little beats that come out when you push a button to be respectable music or anything i would spend my money on) For shame i say, for shame.
1. not everyone hates it. there are people who like it.
2. if it was different and good? that's just your opinion. as far as some are concerned, it IS different and good.
3. any album released by any artist is an attempt for money. if it's for sale that is. this wouldn't include what radiohead did with 'in rainbows' for example even though one could pay for it if he or she wished.
just another opinion. an album being "terrible" is not an argument. it's an opinion. arguments are proven by facts.
I just want to chime in here. You're getting nowhere fast with this "opinion" argument to be honest, which seems to be the common theme throughout this thread. We established long ago that everyone is entitled to an opinion and to express it publicly. The problem arises when these opinions, positive or negative, impact on performance. When this album underperforms sales wise, gets panned by the media, and panned by the public, you'll soon realise that all these negative opinions are far more important than you're suggesting. An album is a success or failure based on the effect that personal opinions have on making people want to buy it or not. I'd suggest, at this early stage, that Scream will be a failure. Then you have to ask yourself what does that say about the quality of the album, and you'll realise that you are in the overwhelming minority of people who honestly think this album is actually any good.
just another opinion. an album being "terrible" is not an argument. it's an opinion. arguments are proven by facts.
I just want to chime in here. You're getting nowhere fast with this "opinion" argument to be honest, which seems to be the common theme throughout this thread. We established long ago that everyone is entitled to an opinion and to express it publicly. The problem arises when these opinions, positive or negative, impact on performance. When this album underperforms sales wise, gets panned by the media, and panned by the public, you'll soon realise that all these negative opinions are far more important than you're suggesting. An album is a success or failure based on the effect that personal opinions have on making people want to buy it or not. I'd suggest, at this early stage, that Scream will be a failure. Then you have to ask yourself what does that say about the quality of the album, and you'll realise that you are in the overwhelming minority of people who honestly think this album is actually any good.
you guys still don't get it. you're dead wrong, plain and simple.
you speak as if you are some kind of authority.
you said "The problem arises when these opinions, positive or negative, impact on performance."
that's STILL an opinion! who is anyone to say what is or isn't a good performance? if i like the album and think it's a good performance, then it is! and so on and so forth.
no one seems to be able to draw the line here. everyone is being very hard-headed and stubborn. it has been the mainstream to hate this album from the start.
WHO CARES what the media says??? are you kidding me? i have never let critics or the media dictate what i listen to or form my opinions/tastes for me.
what does it say about the quality of the album? doesn't matter! only matters to me what I think! and that rings true for everybody. majority, minority, doesn't matter!
if I think the album is good, then as far as i'm concerned.....it IS good quality.
you people obviously don't know the difference between fact and opinion as you've repeatedly shown.
I reserve the right to "shit all over" Scream and any other music that my ears find to be awful just as you have the right to love said awful music. You're swallowing quite a bit of judgementalism yourself.
I've had well over 6 months to digest songs from this album and I can honestly say that they sound as bad today as they did when I first heard them and no critic's input was necessary in order to come to this conlusion. And no one with half a brain thinks that any artist owes them anything other than the pleasure of their music; on that same note, no artist is entitled to any fan's unconditional and unquestioning loyalty. If an artist has yours, yay for you but I chose to like/dislike based on my own standards of quality. I don't go "baaaaaaa" because I'm not a mindless sheep for music. This time last year I left my mind wide open and hoped that something would come of this project that would pique my brain and be worth the risk that he was taking. But vapid, low grade lyrics, recycled, unoriginal beats and processing that washes over the vocals instead of enhancing them does nothing for me. Apparently it does nothing for a lot of people.
People don't like Scream on its merits; be a grown up and just deal with it and you can still dig the album all you want.
Do you like hip-hop, dance and techno? If you don't like that STYLE of music, it's pretty silly to pass judgement on CC's album, when you don't like the style going into it. That's like me shitting all over Mozart's work because I don't like classical piano. Pretty stupid IMO.
What about the lyrics are 'vapid and low grade'? Some of them are, sure, but you can find that on parts of most any album, and let's be serious, CC was never known as some revelatory orator. I can find some pretty sub standard lyrics on the Audioslave albums. What about the beats are recycled/unoriginal? Part of the appeal for me is that I haven't heard much that sounds like this before.
It's definitely not going to suit people who want Euphoria Morning pt 2 or more dark Fell on Black Days style music. If you like the style of music that this album is, you enjoy CC's voice and you go in with an open mind, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. Even then, some of those people won't like it, sure, but I highly doubt most of you shitting on it have even given it a shot. It's just going with the herd of popular negative opinion.
24 years old, mid-life crisis
nowadays hits you when you're young
wrong. sales will not be the fact that proves the point.
why?
because...
1. albums don't sell anymore
2. music downloading
3. napster, limewire, torrents, filesharing, youtube, itunes, zune, etc etc
this isn't the 90s anymore.
riiiiiight, so these things arent indicators of an album that the public likes? you're funny.
we get it, you like it. thats cool. all we're saying so far is that you seem to be in a substantial minority. but you're not the only person that has said on here they like it, and others will like it. no biggie. that being said, we still reserve the right to shit all over it.
the majority lose here. Cornell is losing a lot of credibility in many peoples eyes. i'm losing out cos i wanted to enjoy this album, and i cant. me and a whole bunch of other people.
Cornell's motives & credibility are taking a hammering in pop & rock DJs eyes here in Ireland. DJs are playing it openly to see the response it gets, its been dropped from radio here very quickly. 1 or 2 DJs have though, have called it a "guilty pleasure"...so they are like you - on the basis of the songs, they like it. and still, the rest of the nation are reserving their right to shit all over it.
It seems pretty clear that most people who are arguing so vehemently against this album are swayed by the music critics and either a) Haven't actually listened to the album for more than 2 minutes or b) Don't like this style of music. If you have even a minor affinity for hip hop/dance and love CC's music/voice/songwriting, then there is some really good music on this record, if you give it a chance. Just because you don't like the style, don't shit all over it. CC doesn't owe you anything and doesn't need to stay in the same rut his whole life. The guy is over 40 and has given enough great rock music to his fans that I think he's allowed a little detour to explore other musical interests at this point in his life.
Thats all fine and fair but.. if 90 percent of your fan base is disgusted and doesn't give a shit anymore... then who is chris cornell? I'm sorry but don't spend 20 years building a fan base around a specific type of music and then 20 years later decide its time to mix in some dance hits... i mean unless you just totally want to lose all your previous credibility and respect. Makes sense right?
There are actually a handful of songs in here that are decent rock songs too. It's not all dance or whatever you'd call it. Some of them have been electronically interpreted too, I think it's a pretty cool way to experiment. They're definitely CC songs, just 'different'. Some of it doesn't work, that's for sure, but most of it does. There are some guitar solos and some really good riffs behind the electronic fuzz and drum beats.
I think we know a few other bands who have substantially trimmed their fan base. I see a lot of creativity in here. A lot more than if CC had just thrown out another album of tired, droning Like a Stone's or something. He's done all that before, and he's trying something new, and I commend him for having the balls to do it, knowing the backlash there would be. I don't think he cares about catering to his fan base and doing what others want, rather than expanding his musical horizons and doing what HE feels is creativity. That should be admired, not despised.
24 years old, mid-life crisis
nowadays hits you when you're young
Do you like hip-hop, dance and techno? If you don't like that STYLE of music, it's pretty silly to pass judgement on CC's album, when you don't like the style going into it. That's like me shitting all over Mozart's work because I don't like classical piano. Pretty stupid IMO.
Part of the appeal for me is that I haven't heard much that sounds like this before.
I listen to as much hip-hop,dance & techno as i do regular rock, and i think the album sounds like it was made on a toy "my first home producing kit". the instrumentation is weak, the layers are thin, the beats are generic & standard - even compare it to Timabalands other work...say something like "Say it Right" by Nelly Furtado - That song is great and nothing on Scream comes within an arse's roar of its quality.
its music by numbers. ill give you that the presentation is inventive for Cornell - but for this style of music, it isnt. its basic conversion of simple chords to simple beats. not difficult for a musician to do. i just thought for the level of songwriting he has, even played as rock songs, these songs feel lazy.
The proper example is saying that Scouting For Girls make amazing piano based rock, and are not aimed at making a quick buck from the pop market...and that theyre closer to sounding like Mozart...or Dark Side of The Moon. You see the irony in that one? Ps: scounting for girls: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRn9q1SW8-A
Agreed! What do the haters have to say about this song? One of the best on there, a really amazing track. I'd love to hear how this one is 'crap' or a 'sell out' or whatever.
24 years old, mid-life crisis
nowadays hits you when you're young
You know how many albums don't get the publicity or attention but are masterpieces? Do you really think sales = quality?!?
I agree with you on that point, but here's where your argument falls flat on it's face... none of those albums would have had the marketing behemoth that is behind Scream. Most, if not all of those albums would have failed sales wise due to lack of marketing and promotion, and word-of-mouth couldn't save them. Scream has been so over-marketed and hyped that it can only fail for one reason - people don't think it's good enough to pay money for. And if people don't think it's good enough to pay money for, I'm not sure what you think that says about the quality of the album.
Because individual opinions are just that, opinions, the general consensus on whether Scream is good or bad needs to go out to a larger vote - the masses. The vote results indicator will be how well it sells.
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I am not ignoring negative criticisms, I am disagreeing with them, as is my right, just as it is anyone's. I am simply stating that criticism of any sort is an opinion. People on here have been condescending with their attitudes. I have been anything BUT condescending. I am not trying to sway people to my side. I am simply stating what some don't seem to understand. Whether or not a 6 year old would use this argument makes no difference. It is a correct argument.
Where did I disregard an opinion? I have addressed everything fairly. I was simply respectfully debating someone who was presenting his opinions as facts.
That's fine. It is your opinion.
"...In practice, Scream is nearly awful." (Blender)
I agree with the "awful". I wish that I could factor my Opinion in that rating.
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I've had well over 6 months to digest songs from this album and I can honestly say that they sound as bad today as they did when I first heard them and no critic's input was necessary in order to come to this conlusion. And no one with half a brain thinks that any artist owes them anything other than the pleasure of their music; on that same note, no artist is entitled to any fan's unconditional and unquestioning loyalty. If an artist has yours, yay for you but I chose to like/dislike based on my own standards of quality. I don't go "baaaaaaa" because I'm not a mindless sheep for music. This time last year I left my mind wide open and hoped that something would come of this project that would pique my brain and be worth the risk that he was taking. But vapid, low grade lyrics, recycled, unoriginal beats and processing that washes over the vocals instead of enhancing them does nothing for me. Apparently it does nothing for a lot of people.
People don't like Scream on its merits; be a grown up and just deal with it and you can still dig the album all you want.
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Thats all fine and fair but.. if 90 percent of your fan base is disgusted and doesn't give a shit anymore... then who is chris cornell? I'm sorry but don't spend 20 years building a fan base around a specific type of music and then 20 years later decide its time to mix in some dance hits... i mean unless you just totally want to lose all your previous credibility and respect. Makes sense right?
No, it really doesn't make sense.
Going by your logic, Cornell basically HAS to make the same kind of music he's always made and is known for, and can't veer off the beaten path.
God forbid musical artists do what the fuck they want and try things atypical of the music they're known for. :roll:
You don't have to like it.
Just because someone likes Scream does not mean they're a mindless sheep for music. Don't be snobby.
I guess it just sucks for him that everyone fucking hates it.. if it was different and good, that'd be another story. This is just a sad attempt for easy money and to be relevant again and yeah, its a little offensive to people who have supported him for many years under the pretense that he was a real artist ( i am sorry but i don't consider funky little beats that come out when you push a button to be respectable music or anything i would spend my money on) For shame i say, for shame.
Read what I said and not what you think I said.
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1. not everyone hates it. there are people who like it.
2. if it was different and good? that's just your opinion. as far as some are concerned, it IS different and good.
3. any album released by any artist is an attempt for money. if it's for sale that is. this wouldn't include what radiohead did with 'in rainbows' for example even though one could pay for it if he or she wished.
okay, you're right. i take it back.
just saying everyone has their own opinion and it's very possible for someone to like the record in question.
just another opinion. an album being "terrible" is not an argument. it's an opinion. arguments are proven by facts.
What is your point? Basically you have established that i have an a opinion...lol which is fine and all but...
I just want to chime in here. You're getting nowhere fast with this "opinion" argument to be honest, which seems to be the common theme throughout this thread. We established long ago that everyone is entitled to an opinion and to express it publicly. The problem arises when these opinions, positive or negative, impact on performance. When this album underperforms sales wise, gets panned by the media, and panned by the public, you'll soon realise that all these negative opinions are far more important than you're suggesting. An album is a success or failure based on the effect that personal opinions have on making people want to buy it or not. I'd suggest, at this early stage, that Scream will be a failure. Then you have to ask yourself what does that say about the quality of the album, and you'll realise that you are in the overwhelming minority of people who honestly think this album is actually any good.
Sales.... that will be the FACT that will prove the point.
Leathermandi - I completely agree with your post.
you guys still don't get it. you're dead wrong, plain and simple.
you speak as if you are some kind of authority.
you said "The problem arises when these opinions, positive or negative, impact on performance."
that's STILL an opinion! who is anyone to say what is or isn't a good performance? if i like the album and think it's a good performance, then it is! and so on and so forth.
no one seems to be able to draw the line here. everyone is being very hard-headed and stubborn. it has been the mainstream to hate this album from the start.
WHO CARES what the media says??? are you kidding me? i have never let critics or the media dictate what i listen to or form my opinions/tastes for me.
what does it say about the quality of the album? doesn't matter! only matters to me what I think! and that rings true for everybody. majority, minority, doesn't matter!
if I think the album is good, then as far as i'm concerned.....it IS good quality.
you people obviously don't know the difference between fact and opinion as you've repeatedly shown.
wrong. sales will not be the fact that proves the point.
why?
because...
1. albums don't sell anymore
2. music downloading
3. napster, limewire, torrents, filesharing, youtube, itunes, zune, etc etc
this isn't the 90s anymore.
Do you like hip-hop, dance and techno? If you don't like that STYLE of music, it's pretty silly to pass judgement on CC's album, when you don't like the style going into it. That's like me shitting all over Mozart's work because I don't like classical piano. Pretty stupid IMO.
What about the lyrics are 'vapid and low grade'? Some of them are, sure, but you can find that on parts of most any album, and let's be serious, CC was never known as some revelatory orator. I can find some pretty sub standard lyrics on the Audioslave albums. What about the beats are recycled/unoriginal? Part of the appeal for me is that I haven't heard much that sounds like this before.
It's definitely not going to suit people who want Euphoria Morning pt 2 or more dark Fell on Black Days style music. If you like the style of music that this album is, you enjoy CC's voice and you go in with an open mind, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. Even then, some of those people won't like it, sure, but I highly doubt most of you shitting on it have even given it a shot. It's just going with the herd of popular negative opinion.
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riiiiiight, so these things arent indicators of an album that the public likes?
we get it, you like it. thats cool. all we're saying so far is that you seem to be in a substantial minority. but you're not the only person that has said on here they like it, and others will like it. no biggie. that being said, we still reserve the right to shit all over it.
the majority lose here. Cornell is losing a lot of credibility in many peoples eyes. i'm losing out cos i wanted to enjoy this album, and i cant. me and a whole bunch of other people.
Cornell's motives & credibility are taking a hammering in pop & rock DJs eyes here in Ireland. DJs are playing it openly to see the response it gets, its been dropped from radio here very quickly. 1 or 2 DJs have though, have called it a "guilty pleasure"...so they are like you - on the basis of the songs, they like it. and still, the rest of the nation are reserving their right to shit all over it.
There are actually a handful of songs in here that are decent rock songs too. It's not all dance or whatever you'd call it. Some of them have been electronically interpreted too, I think it's a pretty cool way to experiment. They're definitely CC songs, just 'different'. Some of it doesn't work, that's for sure, but most of it does. There are some guitar solos and some really good riffs behind the electronic fuzz and drum beats.
I think we know a few other bands who have substantially trimmed their fan base. I see a lot of creativity in here. A lot more than if CC had just thrown out another album of tired, droning Like a Stone's or something. He's done all that before, and he's trying something new, and I commend him for having the balls to do it, knowing the backlash there would be. I don't think he cares about catering to his fan base and doing what others want, rather than expanding his musical horizons and doing what HE feels is creativity. That should be admired, not despised.
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Really? I can name you tons of albums that don't sell nearly as well as their quality would suggest.
You know how many albums don't get the publicity or attention but are masterpieces? Do you really think sales = quality?!?
Silliest argument I've read yet. :roll:
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I listen to as much hip-hop,dance & techno as i do regular rock, and i think the album sounds like it was made on a toy "my first home producing kit". the instrumentation is weak, the layers are thin, the beats are generic & standard - even compare it to Timabalands other work...say something like "Say it Right" by Nelly Furtado - That song is great and nothing on Scream comes within an arse's roar of its quality.
its music by numbers. ill give you that the presentation is inventive for Cornell - but for this style of music, it isnt. its basic conversion of simple chords to simple beats. not difficult for a musician to do. i just thought for the level of songwriting he has, even played as rock songs, these songs feel lazy.
The proper example is saying that Scouting For Girls make amazing piano based rock, and are not aimed at making a quick buck from the pop market...and that theyre closer to sounding like Mozart...or Dark Side of The Moon. You see the irony in that one? Ps: scounting for girls: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRn9q1SW8-A
Indicators of what the public likes based on what is being marketed aggressively and sold to them? Yes. Indicators or actual QUALITY of product? No.
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Agreed! What do the haters have to say about this song? One of the best on there, a really amazing track. I'd love to hear how this one is 'crap' or a 'sell out' or whatever.
nowadays hits you when you're young
i totally agree. and im sure the people who spend a small fortune marketing this would see its miserable sales as a failure.
I agree with you on that point, but here's where your argument falls flat on it's face... none of those albums would have had the marketing behemoth that is behind Scream. Most, if not all of those albums would have failed sales wise due to lack of marketing and promotion, and word-of-mouth couldn't save them. Scream has been so over-marketed and hyped that it can only fail for one reason - people don't think it's good enough to pay money for. And if people don't think it's good enough to pay money for, I'm not sure what you think that says about the quality of the album.
Because individual opinions are just that, opinions, the general consensus on whether Scream is good or bad needs to go out to a larger vote - the masses. The vote results indicator will be how well it sells.