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JK_Livin

I thought the time out rule was changed a few years back to allow the coach to call one at any time. It used to have to be called by a player on the field, I think.

The Juggler

JK_Livin wrote:

I thought the time out rule was changed a few years back to allow the coach to call one at any time. It used to have to be called by a player on the field, I think.

ah, right right right. yes, i forgot. neilly--i owe you an apology my friend. the players had to call timeouts prior to '07.

there are obviously benefits to the coaches calling timeouts when they want to. but it makes icing the kicker easier because the kicker can't see it happening as opposed to if the lb called timeout directly in front of them or something.

JK_Livin

The Juggler wrote:

JK_Livin wrote:

I thought the time out rule was changed a few years back to allow the coach to call one at any time. It used to have to be called by a player on the field, I think.

ah, right right right. yes, i forgot. neilly--i owe you an apology my friend. the players had to call timeouts prior to '07.

there are obviously benefits to the coaches calling timeouts when they want to. but it makes icing the kicker easier because the kicker can't see it happening as opposed to if the lb called timeout directly in front of them or something.

Didn't Shannahan start that shit?

Newch91

JK_Livin wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

JK_Livin wrote:

I thought the time out rule was changed a few years back to allow the coach to call one at any time. It used to have to be called by a player on the field, I think.

ah, right right right. yes, i forgot. neilly--i owe you an apology my friend. the players had to call timeouts prior to '07.

there are obviously benefits to the coaches calling timeouts when they want to. but it makes icing the kicker easier because the kicker can't see it happening as opposed to if the lb called timeout directly in front of them or something.

Didn't Shannahan start that shit?

I thought college football started it, then the NFL picked up on it. I could be wrong.

neilybabes86

well its a bullshit rule..if a coach is gonna do it he should have to do it b4 5 seconds left...that way the kick doesn;t happen ..waste of time and energy for the kicker

Newch91

neilybabes86 wrote:

well its a bullshit rule..if a coach is gonna do it he should have to do it b4 5 seconds left...that way the kick doesn;t happen ..waste of time and energy for the kicker

Coughlin did it with 6 seconds left

Jearlpam0925

neilybabes86 wrote:

well its a bullshit rule..if a coach is gonna do it he should have to do it b4 5 seconds left...that way the kick doesn;t happen ..waste of time and energy for the kicker

The kicker does one thing - I have no sympathy for a kicker.

neilybabes86

Newch91 wrote:

neilybabes86 wrote:

well its a bullshit rule..if a coach is gonna do it he should have to do it b4 5 seconds left...that way the kick doesn;t happen ..waste of time and energy for the kicker

Coughlin did it with 6 seconds left

6 seconds??????????? no way

the ball was almost thru the big U B4 THE WHISTLE BLEW

The Juggler

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

neilybabes86 wrote:

well its a bullshit rule..if a coach is gonna do it he should have to do it b4 5 seconds left...that way the kick doesn;t happen ..waste of time and energy for the kicker

The kicker does one thing - I have no sympathy for a kicker.

agreed. it's like calling a timeout at the end of a basketball game before a free throw.

Newch91

neilybabes86 wrote:

Newch91 wrote:

neilybabes86 wrote:

well its a bullshit rule..if a coach is gonna do it he should have to do it b4 5 seconds left...that way the kick doesn;t happen ..waste of time and energy for the kicker

Coughlin did it with 6 seconds left

6 seconds??????????? no way

the ball was almost thru the big U B4 THE WHISTLE BLEW

Yep. There was 6 seconds left.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdo ... fl-wp13673

JK_Livin

The time on the play clock is irrelevant because you don't know when the ball will be snapped.

neilybabes86

JK_Livin wrote:

The time on the play clock is irrelevant because you don't know when the ball will be snapped.

yea bu 99% of the time its under 5 seconds in that situation

whatever ....just think its unfair to make them kick it....freeze them fo sure....but dont let them kick it

igotid88

It doesn't matter. He could have missed the it on the first try and got it the second.

The Juggler

neilybabes86 wrote:

JK_Livin wrote:

The time on the play clock is irrelevant because you don't know when the ball will be snapped.

yea bu 99% of the time its under 5 seconds in that situation

whatever ....just think its unfair to make them kick it....freeze them fo sure....but dont let them kick it

if he hear's the whistle, which he should, then he shouldn't kick it. it's pretty simple.

Gary Carter

The Juggler wrote:

neilybabes86 wrote:

JK_Livin wrote:

The time on the play clock is irrelevant because you don't know when the ball will be snapped.

yea bu 99% of the time its under 5 seconds in that situation

whatever ....just think its unfair to make them kick it....freeze them fo sure....but dont let them kick it

if he hear's the whistle, which he should, then he shouldn't kick it. it's pretty simple.

but almost all of the time the whistle is blown after the kick. its a dumbass rule and i hate it. if its kicked before the whistle play stands, if it's kicked after the whistle play doesn't stand, that should be the rule. in the first place we all wouldnt be having this discussions had fatty ryan and his awful D not choked.

The Juggler

metsfan wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

neilybabes86 wrote:

yea bu 99% of the time its under 5 seconds in that situation

whatever ....just think its unfair to make them kick it....freeze them fo sure....but dont let them kick it

if he hear's the whistle, which he should, then he shouldn't kick it. it's pretty simple.

but almost all of the time the whistle is blown after the kick. its a dumbass rule and i hate it. if its kicked before the whistle play stands, if it's kicked after the whistle play doesn't stand, that should be the rule. in the first place we all wouldnt be having this discussions had fatty ryan and his awful D not choked.

the whistle is supposed to be blown at the time the timeout is called, right? so they should start blowing the whistle prior to the ball even being snapped.

i can't believe we're still talking about that stupid play.

Gary Carter

The Juggler wrote:

the whistle is supposed to be blown at the time the timeout is called, right? so they should start blowing the whistle prior to the ball even being snapped.

i can't believe we're still talking about that stupid play.

agree with both lol

The Juggler

icing the kicker does not work. you'd think eventually coaches will realize this and stop doing it:

http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2011 ... #storyjump

Icing the kicker remains ineffective practice

On Sunday night, Dallas Cowboys kicker Dan Bailey had his potential game-tying 47-yard field goal blocked by Jason Pierre-Paul on the game’s penultimate play.

The block came after Bailey drilled the same 47-yard try moments earlier, a split-second after the Giants called timeout to ice him.

Since Bailey also missed a potential game-winning field goal against the Arizona Cardinals seven days earlier, after a timeout called by his own coach, many will undoubtedly look at this small sample size and conclude that icing the kicker should be a routine strategy employed by head coaches.

However, looking at the effectiveness of such a strategy reveals that coaches are better off pocketing their timeouts.

With 10 seconds or less remaining in the 4th quarter, kickers who are not iced have made 70.2 percent of field goals since 2001.

When a timeout is called immediately before the try, they made 83.0 percent of attempts. That increase of 12.8 percentage points means recent attempts to ice a kicker at the end of a game actually increased the kicker’s chances of success by 18.2 percent.

Breaking those numbers down by distance shows that icing is particularly ineffective on long field goals. Field goals are made a higher rate following a timeout at all increments, but kickers more than double their accuracy on tries of 50 or more yards, hitting 77.8 percent after a timeout, compared to 37.5 percent otherwise.

Something coaches should think about as they sidle up to the official, hands poised to call timeout in an end-game situation.

igotid88

Only the Giants can be plus 2 in turnovers and still be losing. Stupid secondary

SVRDhand13

Bye bye Coughlin. Thanks for 2007.