The Juggler
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edited October 2018
Well, gents...perhaps I'm guilty of waxing a bit nostalgic as the career of my all time favorite Eagles opposing quarterback appears to be closing in on a glorious sunset.
Here's to hoping for a 3 year extension. Long live Eli.
Eli has his hand in this shitshow as much as anyone. Maybe more.
His eyes are looking at the pass rush and he freezes like a deer in the headlights at bad times. His line is woeful, but they're not bad every single time. When given the opportunity to throw, Eli's lob shots are off the mark and sputtering. He has elite skilled positional players around him.
He's had a great career, but if people are being honest... he's finished. He simply hasn't aged like the other veteran QBs producing at an elite level. He's neither mentally nor physically capable.
His leadership is not great either. I'm not sure if someone was serious with the player/coach comment or not? That dopey expression he displays with drool falling off his bottom lip hardly qualifies as inspiring.
Again... a great career. A horrible finish to it that doesn't take anything away from what he managed to achieve when he could play.
Well, gents...perhaps I'm guilty of waxing a bit nostalgic as the career of my all time favorite Eagles opposing quarterback appears to be closing in on a glorious sunset.
Here's to hoping for a 3 year extension. Long live Eli.
I honestly don't get what your point is anymore. Does Eli stink now? Yeah. Will igotid go to the mattresses with him? Oh yeah and good for him. Does the fact that Eli has had a streaky career take anything away from the Super Bowls? Does it change anything for you that Nick Foles is a crap QB?
We get it. Eli is done. He is 37 years old. He's also been part of 2 of the most fun runs most sports fans will ever see.
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The Juggler
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^ But has the career been "great" in relation to the era he's played? Or has it been mediocre-good with two obviously great/amazingly clutch performances in the post season? Overall stats do not suggest "great," especially when compared to his peers.
OR do those two SB's just make the whole thing great irregardless of everything else? It's an interesting question. I've been fascinated with this guy's career for a long time.
^ But has the career been "great" in relation to the era he's played? Or has it been mediocre-good with two obviously great/amazingly clutch performances in the post season? Overall stats do not suggest "great," especially when compared to his peers.
OR do those two SB's just make the whole thing great irregardless of everything else? It's an interesting question. I've been fascinated with this guy's career for a long time.
Here's his comparable players. Seems about right. There have been a lot worse and have been better. The Super Bowls kinda make everything great. You just experienced one. They're fun.
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The Juggler
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Yeah that's a good list. Tough to compare different era's, though, because this sport changes so much.
Rivers and Roethlisberger are perfect players to compare him to actually since they all came out in '04.
^ But has the career been "great" in relation to the era he's played? Or has it been mediocre-good with two obviously great/amazingly clutch performances in the post season? Overall stats do not suggest "great," especially when compared to his peers.
OR do those two SB's just make the whole thing great irregardless of everything else? It's an interesting question. I've been fascinated with this guy's career for a long time.
Here's his comparable players. Seems about right. There have been a lot worse and have been better. The Super Bowls kinda make everything great. You just experienced one. They're fun.
Eli's career compared to above in my opinion:
better than: Brunell, McNair, Romo, Bledsoe, Palmer Equal to: McNabb (although I understand the 2 SBs may trump McNabb), Roethlisberger Worse than: Kelly and Aikman can't compare to Bradshaw
^ But has the career been "great" in relation to the era he's played? Or has it been mediocre-good with two obviously great/amazingly clutch performances in the post season? Overall stats do not suggest "great," especially when compared to his peers.
OR do those two SB's just make the whole thing great irregardless of everything else? It's an interesting question. I've been fascinated with this guy's career for a long time.
Here's his comparable players. Seems about right. There have been a lot worse and have been better. The Super Bowls kinda make everything great. You just experienced one. They're fun.
Eli's career compared to above in my opinion:
better than: Brunell, McNair, Romo, Bledsoe, Palmer Equal to: McNabb (although I understand the 2 SBs may trump McNabb), Roethlisberger Worse than: Kelly and Aikman can't compare to Bradshaw
No way he was better than Bledsoe. The others I agree with.
good question. I believe so. there are 4 stone cold locks ahead of him off the top of my head but those 4 are ahead of almost everyone. Brady, His Brother, Brees and Rodgers. I'd put Kurt Warner ahead of him as well. I'm sure i'm missing someone but after those it kind of becomes a jumbled mess where you could put a lot of guys there. Flacco, Ryan, Roethlisberger, Rivers, Wilson.
good question. I believe so. there are 4 stone cold locks ahead of him off the top of my head but those 4 are ahead of almost everyone. Brady, His Brother, Brees and Rodgers. you can lump Eli in with the next group/
Those are the 4 that I came up with there were definitely ahead of him
^ But has the career been "great" in relation to the era he's played? Or has it been mediocre-good with two obviously great/amazingly clutch performances in the post season? Overall stats do not suggest "great," especially when compared to his peers.
OR do those two SB's just make the whole thing great irregardless of everything else? It's an interesting question. I've been fascinated with this guy's career for a long time.
Here's his comparable players. Seems about right. There have been a lot worse and have been better. The Super Bowls kinda make everything great. You just experienced one. They're fun.
Eli's career compared to above in my opinion:
better than: Brunell, McNair, Romo, Bledsoe, Palmer Equal to: McNabb (although I understand the 2 SBs may trump McNabb), Roethlisberger Worse than: Kelly and Aikman can't compare to Bradshaw
No way he was better than Bledsoe. The others I agree with.
Eli is not (and never has been) equal to Roethlisberger.
I'm not a Steelers fan, or a Ben fan, or an Eli hater either.
^ But has the career been "great" in relation to the era he's played? Or has it been mediocre-good with two obviously great/amazingly clutch performances in the post season? Overall stats do not suggest "great," especially when compared to his peers.
OR do those two SB's just make the whole thing great irregardless of everything else? It's an interesting question. I've been fascinated with this guy's career for a long time.
Here's his comparable players. Seems about right. There have been a lot worse and have been better. The Super Bowls kinda make everything great. You just experienced one. They're fun.
Eli's career compared to above in my opinion:
better than: Brunell, McNair, Romo, Bledsoe, Palmer Equal to: McNabb (although I understand the 2 SBs may trump McNabb), Roethlisberger Worse than: Kelly and Aikman can't compare to Bradshaw
No way he was better than Bledsoe. The others I agree with.
Eli is not (and never has been) equal to Roethlisberger.
I'm not a Steelers fan, or a Ben fan, or an Eli hater either.
I had a hard time with that one and can see the argument either way. I don't think Ben has ever been an elite passer bur his intangibles are better than Eli's.
^ But has the career been "great" in relation to the era he's played? Or has it been mediocre-good with two obviously great/amazingly clutch performances in the post season? Overall stats do not suggest "great," especially when compared to his peers.
OR do those two SB's just make the whole thing great irregardless of everything else? It's an interesting question. I've been fascinated with this guy's career for a long time.
Here's his comparable players. Seems about right. There have been a lot worse and have been better. The Super Bowls kinda make everything great. You just experienced one. They're fun.
Eli's career compared to above in my opinion:
better than: Brunell, McNair, Romo, Bledsoe, Palmer Equal to: McNabb (although I understand the 2 SBs may trump McNabb), Roethlisberger Worse than: Kelly and Aikman can't compare to Bradshaw
No way he was better than Bledsoe. The others I agree with.
Eli is not (and never has been) equal to Roethlisberger.
I'm not a Steelers fan, or a Ben fan, or an Eli hater either.
I had a hard time with that one and can see the argument either way. I don't think Ben has ever been an elite passer bur his intangibles are better than Eli's.
Agreed. And given the fact that Eli has never been an elite passer either... the nod goes to Ben in my mind.
All things being equal and if I had to win a game with my choice of QBs... I'm taking Ben every time.
I know 'Eli Face' gets a bad rap, but the guy is one of the most durable players the league has ever seen. And he gets hit a lot.
that, he does.
If I had known then what I know now...
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The Juggler
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Sorry Juggler - didn't mean to have poor form - I was talking Eli and just decided to delete it but I had to include something cause you can't really delete once you post.
I'm not in a good place, not cause of anything on here, so I just decided I would post when I wasn't so down.
Don't worry - I'll be defending Eli soon enough.
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I agree. With a decent line, he was a dominant 4th quarter QB... Many years ago.
Also, kinda off-topic.. I was always neutral on the firing of Ben McAdoo, because of the players he had on offense last year. Am I crazy to think that this year's personnel would've been the perfect line-up for Ben McAdoo?
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Here's to hoping for a 3 year extension. Long live Eli.
His eyes are looking at the pass rush and he freezes like a deer in the headlights at bad times. His line is woeful, but they're not bad every single time. When given the opportunity to throw, Eli's lob shots are off the mark and sputtering. He has elite skilled positional players around him.
He's had a great career, but if people are being honest... he's finished. He simply hasn't aged like the other veteran QBs producing at an elite level. He's neither mentally nor physically capable.
His leadership is not great either. I'm not sure if someone was serious with the player/coach comment or not? That dopey expression he displays with drool falling off his bottom lip hardly qualifies as inspiring.
Again... a great career. A horrible finish to it that doesn't take anything away from what he managed to achieve when he could play.
We get it. Eli is done. He is 37 years old. He's also been part of 2 of the most fun runs most sports fans will ever see.
But has the career been "great" in relation to the era he's played? Or has it been mediocre-good with two obviously great/amazingly clutch performances in the post season? Overall stats do not suggest "great," especially when compared to his peers.
OR do those two SB's just make the whole thing great irregardless of everything else? It's an interesting question. I've been fascinated with this guy's career for a long time.
Rivers and Roethlisberger are perfect players to compare him to actually since they all came out in '04.
better than: Brunell, McNair, Romo, Bledsoe, Palmer
Equal to: McNabb (although I understand the 2 SBs may trump McNabb), Roethlisberger
Worse than: Kelly and Aikman
can't compare to Bradshaw
Gonna go igotid here real quick, buuut Aikman had a pretty pretty decent offensive line.
The Super Bowls and his last name will get him into the hall of fame.
I'm not a Steelers fan, or a Ben fan, or an Eli hater either.
All things being equal and if I had to win a game with my choice of QBs... I'm taking Ben every time.
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that, he does.
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Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
I'm not in a good place, not cause of anything on here, so I just decided I would post when I wasn't so down.
Don't worry - I'll be defending Eli soon enough.
Also, kinda off-topic.. I was always neutral on the firing of Ben McAdoo, because of the players he had on offense last year. Am I crazy to think that this year's personnel would've been the perfect line-up for Ben McAdoo?