***The Official Philadelphia Phillies 2012 Thread***

The Fixer

jamminpearls wrote:

The teams playing decent for this 1st time this year at least relax is all. Although i wasn't a Papelbon fan after seeing Madson go down and Bell forget how to pitch i'd say besides slightly over paying he made the right move. Juan Pierre has been a big plus,Ty Wigginton has been ok as well. Resigning Brian Schneider has benn huge. Yeah i think he's made good moves and bad ones as well. KK deal i'm not a fan of the Hamels thing blows and how he's handled injuries has been down right fireable. But were hanging around without are 2 best hitters. Wheter we agree or not about the guy R6 is missed way more then YOU could have ever imagined.

Do i think we can resign Hamels in the long run yes. Will we that i'm not sure about. So the direction this team is going in all rides on the Hamels deal imo. I hate Rollins and have for years he's a lazy piece of shit and wish he left this offseason. As for the WS did u think the Cards were a legit Ws contender late in Sept? No one in the baseball world thought they'd beat us let alone win it all. All u gotta do is get in like we did in 08 my friend.

yeah, I don't like any of the guys you mentioned (especially pierre), but I don't feel like getting into a heated argument about these turds. I would have much rather the phils went cheap on one year deals to fix their pen until the young guys like defratus and aumont were ready in another year or so. I wanted them to sign broxton and nathan to one year deals. both of them are doing well and would have come much cheaper than papeldouche, who we are now stuck watchign for another 4.5 years.

I def didn't think the cards would make the run they did last year. I don't think it's fair to compare this phils team to them though. The cards lineup and pen were pretty stacked last season. can't say the same about the phils

As for the howard thing. do you really think he'd be doing that much better than wigginton, who has gotten the majoirty of reps at 1B? I don't

I hope I'm wrong about all of this. I just don't see any way that this team has enough offense or quality pen arms to make a legit run. Lot of season left, so we will see.

Ledbetterman10

I recently bought and watched a terrific "100 Years of the Yankees" dvd (worth picking up whether you like the Yanks or completely hate them). Anyway, it got me thinking about the Hamels situation and how he deserves so much better than this. If he signed with the Yankees next year, I'd be happy for him. I'd be bummed for us...but happy for him. If the Phillies, the team with the most loses in the history of American professional sports, won't show a guy like this the proper respect, then the surly Yankees will. And then their asshole fans will hold signs during interleague games reminding us that we paid a gazillion dollars to two guys in their mid-30's and shunned our homegrown 28 year old star.

The Fixer

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

I recently bought and watched a terrific "100 Years of the Yankees" dvd (worth picking up whether you like the Yanks or completely hate them). Anyway, it got me thinking about the Hamels situation and how he deserves so much better than this. If he signed with the Yankees next year, I'd be happy for him. I'd be bummed for us...but happy for him. If the Phillies, the team with the most loses in the history of American professional sports, won't show a guy like this the proper respect, then the surly Yankees will. And then their asshole fans will hold signs during interleague games reminding us that we paid a gazillion dollars to two guys in their mid-30's and shunned our homegrown 28 year old star.

good post

last I saw, the bidding will start at 7/160. get. it. done.

jamminpearls

The Fixer wrote:

jamminpearls wrote:

The teams playing decent for this 1st time this year at least relax is all. Although i wasn't a Papelbon fan after seeing Madson go down and Bell forget how to pitch i'd say besides slightly over paying he made the right move. Juan Pierre has been a big plus,Ty Wigginton has been ok as well. Resigning Brian Schneider has benn huge. Yeah i think he's made good moves and bad ones as well. KK deal i'm not a fan of the Hamels thing blows and how he's handled injuries has been down right fireable. But were hanging around without are 2 best hitters. Wheter we agree or not about the guy R6 is missed way more then YOU could have ever imagined.

Do i think we can resign Hamels in the long run yes. Will we that i'm not sure about. So the direction this team is going in all rides on the Hamels deal imo. I hate Rollins and have for years he's a lazy piece of shit and wish he left this offseason. As for the WS did u think the Cards were a legit Ws contender late in Sept? No one in the baseball world thought they'd beat us let alone win it all. All u gotta do is get in like we did in 08 my friend.

yeah, I don't like any of the guys you mentioned (especially pierre), but I don't feel like getting into a heated argument about these turds. I would have much rather the phils went cheap on one year deals to fix their pen until the young guys like defratus and aumont were ready in another year or so. I wanted them to sign broxton and nathan to one year deals. both of them are doing well and would have come much cheaper than papeldouche, who we are now stuck watchign for another 4.5 years.

I def didn't think the cards would make the run they did last year. I don't think it's fair to compare this phils team to them though. The cards lineup and pen were pretty stacked last season. can't say the same about the phils

As for the howard thing. do you really think he'd be doing that much better than wigginton, who has gotten the majoirty of reps at 1B? I don't

I hope I'm wrong about all of this. I just don't see any way that this team has enough offense or quality pen arms to make a legit run. Lot of season left, so we will see.

Liking certain signings and respecting what there actually doing here are diff. Bashing Papelbon for perfomance isn't possible at the moment. The years and money suck that we can agree on.

It's a fair comparsion if this team is healthy come sept/oct imo. With are starting rotation and closer alone we can compete. if R6 is healthy are lineup can become relevant again. I think Howards career numbers say without a doubt. Comparing him to Wigginton is a joke.

The Fixer

jamminpearls wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

jamminpearls wrote:

The teams playing decent for this 1st time this year at least relax is all. Although i wasn't a Papelbon fan after seeing Madson go down and Bell forget how to pitch i'd say besides slightly over paying he made the right move. Juan Pierre has been a big plus,Ty Wigginton has been ok as well. Resigning Brian Schneider has benn huge. Yeah i think he's made good moves and bad ones as well. KK deal i'm not a fan of the Hamels thing blows and how he's handled injuries has been down right fireable. But were hanging around without are 2 best hitters. Wheter we agree or not about the guy R6 is missed way more then YOU could have ever imagined.

Do i think we can resign Hamels in the long run yes. Will we that i'm not sure about. So the direction this team is going in all rides on the Hamels deal imo. I hate Rollins and have for years he's a lazy piece of shit and wish he left this offseason. As for the WS did u think the Cards were a legit Ws contender late in Sept? No one in the baseball world thought they'd beat us let alone win it all. All u gotta do is get in like we did in 08 my friend.

yeah, I don't like any of the guys you mentioned (especially pierre), but I don't feel like getting into a heated argument about these turds. I would have much rather the phils went cheap on one year deals to fix their pen until the young guys like defratus and aumont were ready in another year or so. I wanted them to sign broxton and nathan to one year deals. both of them are doing well and would have come much cheaper than papeldouche, who we are now stuck watchign for another 4.5 years.

I def didn't think the cards would make the run they did last year. I don't think it's fair to compare this phils team to them though. The cards lineup and pen were pretty stacked last season. can't say the same about the phils

As for the howard thing. do you really think he'd be doing that much better than wigginton, who has gotten the majoirty of reps at 1B? I don't

I hope I'm wrong about all of this. I just don't see any way that this team has enough offense or quality pen arms to make a legit run. Lot of season left, so we will see.

Liking certain signings and respecting what there actually doing here are diff. Bashing Papelbon for perfomance isn't possible at the moment. The years and money suck that we can agree on.

It's a fair comparsion if this team is healthy come sept/oct imo. With are starting rotation and closer alone we can compete. if R6 is healthy are lineup can become relevant again. I think Howards career numbers say without a doubt. Comparing him to Wigginton is a joke.

yeah, howard will make all the difference in the playoffs. he has proven that the last 3 years with his stellar playoff performances. using career numbers is futile in this discussion. Howard is nowhere near the player he was back in 07-08. same can be said for most of this roster actually. their career avgs are skewed due to their prime years. like I said, those days are over...we should expect dimished returns from those guys moving forward.

I love when people say 'if this team stays healthy'. that's like saying 'when I win the lottery'...not realistic

Johnny Abruzzo

Dude, did you say the Cardinals had a solid bullpen last year? Their bullpen blew most of the year, as they went through a carousel of closers. They just got into a groove in September and October and rode it to the championship.

You specifically talked trash about the Cardinals and how much you wanted to play them, while I was saying to throw the games and let the Braves win the Wild Card.

And yes, this Phillies team is still a legit WS contender. I'm not a fan of the contracts Amaro has handed out and I don't like the direction the team is headed in, but this team, this year, is a WS contender. That's what the argument was, for today.

jamminpearls

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

Dude, did you say the Cardinals had a solid bullpen last year? Their bullpen blew most of the year, as they went through a carousel of closers. They just got into a groove in September and October and rode it to the championship.

You specifically talked trash about the Cardinals and how much you wanted to play them, while I was saying to throw the games and let the Braves win the Wild Card.

And yes, this Phillies team is still a legit WS contender. I'm not a fan of the contracts Amaro has handed out and I don't like the direction the team is headed in, but this team, this year, is a WS contender. That's what the argument was, for today.

I love watching the ding and dunk approach to his replies.

pjhawks

anyone else heading down to any of the Orioles games next weekend? I am heading down friday night with a group. Should be a blast.

JK_Livin

Right now Cliff is scheduled to pitch on Cliff Lee bobblehead night. Please no rain outs!!!! :nono: :nono: :nono:

Johnny Abruzzo

Well would you look at that? A legitimate relief outing for our $50M man. That's a real save there - good going Papel-face!

eeriepadave

2 1/2 games out of first (and still in last) :?

sweetlew33

I was just glad to see them tack on some runs to pad a lead. Early in the season, that type of game was staying 4-2 going into the 8th and all of a sudden it would have been tied 4-4. Obviously they need to keep giving the pen some room for error.

Cliffy6745

Just read about contreras on hardball talk. Gotta think thats probably it for him.

jamminpearls

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Just read about contreras on hardball talk. Gotta think thats probably it for him.

At the age of 65 id say so.

The Juggler

jamminpearls wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Just read about contreras on hardball talk. Gotta think thats probably it for him.

At the age of 65 id say so.

had the feeling it was probably the end the moment it happened. sucks.

The Juggler

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

Dude, did you say the Cardinals had a solid bullpen last year? Their bullpen blew most of the year, as they went through a carousel of closers. They just got into a groove in September and October and rode it to the championship.

You specifically talked trash about the Cardinals and how much you wanted to play them, while I was saying to throw the games and let the Braves win the Wild Card.

And yes, this Phillies team is still a legit WS contender. I'm not a fan of the contracts Amaro has handed out and I don't like the direction the team is headed in, but this team, this year, is a WS contender. That's what the argument was, for today.

right.

reading over the last couple, predictable, pages of this thread reminded me of this article from good phight a few weeks ago. it's obviously tongue and cheek but i feel like it rings pretty true:

http://www.thegoodphight.com/2012/5/18/ ... rs-allowed

New Post-Season Ticket Policy: No Naysayers Allowed
by David S. Cohen on May 18, 2012 4:19 PM EDT

Any idea which NL team is now 7th in runs scored? How about 8th in OPS?

Or let's try another tack. How about which NL team is 3rd in runs scored in the month of May? Or 4th in OPS for the month?

A hint: this team is doing that well in offensive stats despite missing its Hall-of-Fame quality second baseman and its slugging first baseman.

I know, you're smart, so you guessed it - it's the Phillies! Yes, the team that struggled mightily in the first month of the season is, whaddayaknow, coming out of its offensive slump. It's scoring runs and making games interesting. The team's completely unsolvable problem in April - an offense that can't score runs - is no longer the problem.

Of course, over the past few weeks, it's the bullpen that's been giving away wins, but despite that, the team is now playing good ball, posting an above-.500 record and sitting only 4 games back from the NL East leader.

I'm not that surprised about this. As readers of this blog are aware, I've been kind of relentlessly optimistic (even while admitting that many games have been painful to watch and enjoy). I've felt this way despite being bombarded in the press, on the radio, on other blogs, and throughout the social-media-verse with naysayers and sky-is-falling types. I'm kind of sick of it, especially now that the team is doing better.

But here's a deal I'll offer you, all the end-is-nigh people (and something I think the Phillies should take seriously): When the Phillies make it to their sixth straight post-season this October, you're not invited to Citizens Bank Park. It'll be like the Nationals' restriction for Phillies games in DC, except rather than being based on where you live, it'll be based on your calls to WIP, your tweets, your Facebook statuses, your blog posts, and your conversations with friends at the bar.

Expressing concern and doubt, that's fine. But, throwing the team to the wolves, saying that there's just no joy in watching or following this team, complaining that all is lost when the season was barely 1/4 completed -- stay home and watch on TV. You're not welcome at the park. That's for true believers.

So go ahead and revel in your misery. And hey, if I'm wrong and there's no October baseball for this franchise, enjoy being right. I know that'll make you feel really good. But, when the Phils are playing in the post-season and I'm at the stadium, I want to be there with the other people who believed in and supported this team.

Phillies box office - make it happen.

The Juggler

pjhawks wrote:

anyone else heading down to any of the Orioles games next weekend? I am heading down friday night with a group. Should be a blast.

i might be at the last minute--depends on if i can rally some troops. wish the saturday game was at night though...

haven't been to camden yards in about 5 years. that's too long. love that park,

Cliffy6745

jamminpearls wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Just read about contreras on hardball talk. Gotta think thats probably it for him.

At the age of 65 id say so.

Yeah, I am 99% certain that he is a senior citizen

FenwayFaithful

I will be watching the PawSox take on the Lehigh Valley Iron Pigs in about an hour. Who am I focusing on? Who's the quality guys down at TripleA for the Phillies?

The Juggler

FenwayFaithful wrote:

I will be watching the PawSox take on the Lehigh Valley Iron Pigs in about an hour. Who am I focusing on? Who's the quality guys down at TripleA for the Phillies?

you can see our former savior, dom brown, struggle to catch fly balls and get on base. he'll be in left.