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  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,516
    Is his option year the 5th year or is it after the 5th year?
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,022
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    Is his option year the 5th year or is it after the 5th year?

    After

    http://www.baseballprospectus.com/compe ... age_id=116
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,516
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    Is his option year the 5th year or is it after the 5th year?

    After

    http://www.baseballprospectus.com/compe ... age_id=116

    Awesome.
  • jamminpearls
    jamminpearls Posts: 7,078
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    imalive wrote:
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    The Phillies announced that they have avoided arbitration with Kyle Kendrick by agreeing to a one-year deal worth $3.585MM.
    quit clogging up the beer thread :lol:;)

    As a leading proponent of making this thread about everything and anything but baseball I appreciate this statement.

    Aaaaaaannnnd probably my best devil's advocate piece to link in here. This is especially for you Fixer, buddy. Nothing like the proceeding article to keep this thread going.... http://talksportsphilly.com/2012/01/dig ... an-howard/
    And then,lol!!!!!!
    Go Birds!!!!
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    edited January 2012
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    I'm definitely in for the one on 3/3. Putting together a group of degerates. That's prob the only one that I'm going to realistically make. Will be a nice warmup for the NO trip. Did you get tix yet?

    Sounds good dude, we'll definitely end up doing that one. I haven't gotten tickets, going to send an email around today and get tickets soon, probably. I'll let you know.

    I saw that a designated driver is 10 bucks. I'm so drunk I thought that meant you could buy a DD with your ticket. Fuck, that would have been awesome
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  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    imalive wrote:
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    The Phillies announced that they have avoided arbitration with Kyle Kendrick by agreeing to a one-year deal worth $3.585MM.
    quit clogging up the beer thread :lol:;)

    As a leading proponent of making this thread about everything and anything but baseball I appreciate this statement.

    Aaaaaaannnnd probably my best devil's advocate piece to link in here. This is especially for you Fixer, buddy. Nothing like the proceeding article to keep this thread going.... http://talksportsphilly.com/2012/01/dig ... an-howard/

    jesus, that was brutal to read. you know it's bad when the comments are better than the article

    yes, howard was good from 06-08. no he hasn't been good since...and the chances of him finding his old form are less than his performance exceeding the value of his asinine contact.

    ROI, rube. you'd think that stanford education would have taught you how it works.

    also, anyone that compares howard to pujols or gonzalez is just plain stupid
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    It's pretty ridiculous to call this a smart move by Ruben,obviously.

    I still say that Howard practically carried the offense in the first half of 2011, but of course he was terrible the 2nd half and playoffs. It did seem like he hasn't been the same since that ankle injury in August 2010 - I thought he was having a pretty solid season before that. Of course that's a problem with overly long contracts - the risk of injury.

    I would take the Howard contract over the Texeira contract even today.

    As I said, we're Phillies fans (well most of us here, some are spectators :lol: ), so all we can hope is that he gets healthy and returns to previous form. I mean, I don't think he's ever gonna be a 20% strikeout guy or a .300 hitter (although I think he did hit .300 with RISP, which is apparently meaningless :roll: ), just have to hope he gets his power back and has some more productive seasons.

    dude, he's been horrible in the playoffs ever since they won the WS. absolutely horrible!!!

    the guy used to be good. those days are long gone. so glad minaya signed him 2 years before he had to. had to lock up that decline phase!!

    fucking Econ 101
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    Is his option year the 5th year or is it after the 5th year?

    After

    http://www.baseballprospectus.com/compe ... age_id=116

    Awesome.

    ha, great. I need to reschedule my party for 2018. fuck.

    at least fuck face will be gone by then :roll:
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
    The Fixer wrote:
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    It's pretty ridiculous to call this a smart move by Ruben,obviously.

    I still say that Howard practically carried the offense in the first half of 2011, but of course he was terrible the 2nd half and playoffs. It did seem like he hasn't been the same since that ankle injury in August 2010 - I thought he was having a pretty solid season before that. Of course that's a problem with overly long contracts - the risk of injury.

    I would take the Howard contract over the Texeira contract even today.

    As I said, we're Phillies fans (well most of us here, some are spectators :lol: ), so all we can hope is that he gets healthy and returns to previous form. I mean, I don't think he's ever gonna be a 20% strikeout guy or a .300 hitter (although I think he did hit .300 with RISP, which is apparently meaningless :roll: ), just have to hope he gets his power back and has some more productive seasons.

    dude, he's been horrible in the playoffs ever since they won the WS. absolutely horrible!!!
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    he was the '09 nlcs mvp and then the only phillie to get on base against the giants in 2010.

    he was awful in the 09 ws and this past fall....as was most of the phils offense, obviously.
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  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    The Juggler wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    It's pretty ridiculous to call this a smart move by Ruben,obviously.

    I still say that Howard practically carried the offense in the first half of 2011, but of course he was terrible the 2nd half and playoffs. It did seem like he hasn't been the same since that ankle injury in August 2010 - I thought he was having a pretty solid season before that. Of course that's a problem with overly long contracts - the risk of injury.

    I would take the Howard contract over the Texeira contract even today.

    As I said, we're Phillies fans (well most of us here, some are spectators :lol: ), so all we can hope is that he gets healthy and returns to previous form. I mean, I don't think he's ever gonna be a 20% strikeout guy or a .300 hitter (although I think he did hit .300 with RISP, which is apparently meaningless :roll: ), just have to hope he gets his power back and has some more productive seasons.

    dude, he's been horrible in the playoffs ever since they won the WS. absolutely horrible!!!
    1


    he was the '09 nlcs mvp and then the only phillie to get on base against the giants in 2010.

    he was awful in the 09 ws and this past fall....as was most of the phils offense, obviously.

    he was atrocious vs the giants.

    I don't know how people can continue to defend him. he hasn't been good for almost 4 years
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
    The Fixer wrote:
    The Juggler wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:

    dude, he's been horrible in the playoffs ever since they won the WS. absolutely horrible!!!
    1


    he was the '09 nlcs mvp and then the only phillie to get on base against the giants in 2010.

    he was awful in the 09 ws and this past fall....as was most of the phils offense, obviously.

    he was atrocious vs the giants.

    I don't know how people can continue to defend him. he hasn't been good for almost 4 years

    he was not atrocious against the giants. he batted .318 and had an obp of .400....no other phillie was close to that. hence me saying he was the only phillie to get on base against the giants.

    and he was great in the 09 nlcs.

    so it's not about defending him. it's just trying to maintain a sense of rationality when discussing him.
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  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    if you remember the SF series, he struck out in half of his ABs...most of which came with runners on base. yes, the entire offense sucked in that series (and amaro left the lineup unchanged for '11 :roll: ), but howard was the one that killed the phils the most in that series.

    go through the log of those games and look at howard's ABs. Then you will realize that I'm right as usual

    one could surmise that howard was the weakest link in each of the phils last three playoff series losses. he's been that bad
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
    The Fixer wrote:
    if you remember the SF series, he struck out in half of his ABs...most of which came with runners on base. yes, the entire offense sucked in that series (and amaro left the lineup unchanged for '11 :roll: ), but howard was the one that killed the phils the most in that series.

    go through the log of those games and look at howard's ABs. Then you will realize that I'm right as usual

    he always strikes out. i didn't say he had a great series. i said he was the only phillie to consistently get on base against the giants...which is correct. utley batted .182 in that series. victorino batted .208. plenty of people to rip in that one.

    not sure how he was awful in the 09 nlcs either, but whatever.


    only a month or so away from pitchers and catchers... :thumbup:
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  • jamminpearls
    jamminpearls Posts: 7,078
    The Juggler wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    if you remember the SF series, he struck out in half of his ABs...most of which came with runners on base. yes, the entire offense sucked in that series (and amaro left the lineup unchanged for '11 :roll: ), but howard was the one that killed the phils the most in that series.

    go through the log of those games and look at howard's ABs. Then you will realize that I'm right as usual

    he always strikes out. i didn't say he had a great series. i said he was the only phillie to consistently get on base against the giants...which is correct. utley batted .182 in that series. victorino batted .208. plenty of people to rip in that one.

    not sure how he was awful in the 09 nlcs either, but whatever.


    only a month or so away from pitchers and catchers... :thumbup:
    Even facts aren't enough to over come Fixers hate. Fixer u would have made a great defense lawyer.
    Go Birds!!!!
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    jamminpearls wrote:
    The Juggler wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    if you remember the SF series, he struck out in half of his ABs...most of which came with runners on base. yes, the entire offense sucked in that series (and amaro left the lineup unchanged for '11 :roll: ), but howard was the one that killed the phils the most in that series.

    go through the log of those games and look at howard's ABs. Then you will realize that I'm right as usual

    he always strikes out. i didn't say he had a great series. i said he was the only phillie to consistently get on base against the giants...which is correct. utley batted .182 in that series. victorino batted .208. plenty of people to rip in that one.

    not sure how he was awful in the 09 nlcs either, but whatever.


    only a month or so away from pitchers and catchers... :thumbup:
    Even facts aren't enough to over come Fixers hate. Fixer u would have made a great defense lawyer.

    well, people continue to defend ryan howard. If people just watched the games they would realize the guy isn't good. I don't get it. Maybe I am watching different phils games then most other phillies 'fans'.

    OK, that's enough howard talk for a while. PLenty of time during the next 6 years for that :roll: . god, I hate amaro.
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
    jamminpearls wrote:
    The Juggler wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    if you remember the SF series, he struck out in half of his ABs...most of which came with runners on base. yes, the entire offense sucked in that series (and amaro left the lineup unchanged for '11 :roll: ), but howard was the one that killed the phils the most in that series.

    go through the log of those games and look at howard's ABs. Then you will realize that I'm right as usual

    he always strikes out. i didn't say he had a great series. i said he was the only phillie to consistently get on base against the giants...which is correct. utley batted .182 in that series. victorino batted .208. plenty of people to rip in that one.

    not sure how he was awful in the 09 nlcs either, but whatever.


    only a month or so away from pitchers and catchers... :thumbup:
    Even facts aren't enough to over come Fixers hate. Fixer u would have made a great defense lawyer.

    yeah he was "awful" while winning the '09 nlcs mvp. good god.
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  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    The Juggler wrote:
    yeah he was "awful" while winning the '09 nlcs mvp. good god.

    you figure out what you think phils should do this offseason? or do you need more time to decide?

    we know you like the wigginton move ('solid' according to you, which is funny)
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
    The Fixer wrote:
    The Juggler wrote:
    yeah he was "awful" while winning the '09 nlcs mvp. good god.

    you figure out what you think phils should do this offseason? or do you need more time to decide?

    we know you like the wigginton move ('solid' according to you, which is funny)

    yeah, offseason's about over there guy.

    why do you take everything so personally? so you were wrong about howard being "awful" in every playoff series since 2008. it's not the end of the world.
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  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    The Juggler wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    The Juggler wrote:
    yeah he was "awful" while winning the '09 nlcs mvp. good god.

    you figure out what you think phils should do this offseason? or do you need more time to decide?

    we know you like the wigginton move ('solid' according to you, which is funny)

    yeah, offseason's about over there guy.

    why do you take everything so personally? so you were wrong about howard being "awful" in every playoff series since 2008. it's not the end of the world.

    ah, that sucks. we missed your analysis on what they should do this offseason (even though I asked you multiple times). oh well, maybe next year we will get your opinion on something baseball related for a change.

    you gonna get a wigginton jersey?
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
    The Fixer wrote:
    The Juggler wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:

    yeah, offseason's about over there guy.

    why do you take everything so personally? so you were wrong about howard being "awful" in every playoff series since 2008. it's not the end of the world.

    ah, that sucks. we missed your analysis on what they should do this offseason (even though I asked you multiple times). oh well, maybe next year we will get your opinion on something baseball related for a change.

    you gonna get a wigginton jersey?

    lose an argument...change the subject/make a poor attempt at an insult.

    some things never change. :roll:
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