***The Official Philadelphia Phillies 2012 Thread***

The Juggler

The Fixer wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

wrong about what? being able to enjoy 102 wins? :?

ryan howard's contract? when have we talked about that? use the quote feature to find out what i think about it. you won't. or can't figure out how. either way, when it happened i said he was overpaid. good job.

and, no, they did not suck from day 1. so you were absolutely wrong there.

and how did the bullpen cost them the series again? :? wrong again.

you sound like the people you claim to despise---all the idiots who just expect a season to end the way 2008 did ever year. it doesn't work that way dude. that's why i'm mostly of the "just get to the playoffs and see what happens" ilk. sure, i thought they were good enough to get to the world series. but it didn't happen. life goes on. there's always next year.

stick to "college" football.

so now you agree that howard and his contract suck?

their lineup scored some runs against teams like the marlins and mets and everyone was led to believe that they were good. All you had to do was watch the games and you would have realized that wasn't the case.

but it's OK...they made the playoffs (I really can't believe people are saying that)

no.

they scored runs against teams other than the marlins and mets. they were 2nd in the league in runs scored post all star break. i know, i know, small sample size :thumbup: :wave: :roll:

no it's not okay just making the playoffs.

are you a 7 year old? :? ...8?

Ledbetterman10

The Juggler wrote:

you sound like the people you claim to despise---all the idiots who just expect a season to end the way 2008 did ever year. it doesn't work that way dude. that's why i'm mostly of the "just get to the playoffs and see what happens" ilk.

I'm the same way. Especially with the divisional series only being best of 5. Anything could happen. Especially against a well-managed, experienced team like St. Louis. Sometimes ya win and sometimes ya lose.

The Fixer

pjhawks wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

this team isn't changing much. ibanez will be replaced by a mayberry/brown platoon. galvis can't hit dude...no way they go into the season with him as their starting SS. Rollins has them by the balls. amaro loves overpaying for aging players past their prime (ibanez, polanco, howard), so I'm scared to see what he gives him.

I could care less about madson. Boras is his agent and he's gonna get overpaid. I'd let him walk. Maybe sign one veteran fringe closer type and a LH specialist (something they needed this year) and give the bullpen to the kids (schwimmer, defratus, stutes, rosenberg, etc).

Sign Pujols/Fielder or trade for Votto (who's apparently available with Yonder Alonso ready to play every day at 1B) to play first. Oh wait, we're stuck with $125 million of dead money at that position. Awesome.

Tell Oswalt thanks for nothing and decline his option. Worley is the 4th starter next year, Kendrick in the 5 spot. Get Hamels locked up long term (gotta figure he is their best trade chip with his contract expiring after 2012...that may be the only way to take another serious run with this core...remains to be seen what they could get for him, but I'm sure it would be big).

Bottom line is that it's hard to see this team being better than it was in 2011...and especially in 2010. Their star position players are another year past their primes and the bullpen could have more question marks than this year (which is a scary proposition). Other than the bullpen there is no discernible MLB ready talent in the minors...with their payroll capped out that means it's going to be tough for them to improve from what they currenly have.

At least they made the playoffs this year though. Apparently that's all that matters around here. Not sure when this became the Arizona Diamondbacks thread.

that is why i think you have to let Rollins walk. no need to tie up salary and years in a player when your flexibility is already near zero and he has already lost a step. aging players get hurt too much, cost too much and some lose it really quickly. i don't see how signing jimmy will be a good deal. and even if galvis can't hit a lick all i need is good defense with this pitching to still be a contender for a division title. and if he isn't the answer yet than get a stop gap shortstop. as we saw in the playoffs scrubs like ryan theriot can be effective at times. love jimmy for what he has done here but i just don't see anyway how paying him 12-14 million per year for a minimum of 3 years is going to be a good deal for this team (and yes i know your feelings on the other contract but not a fucking thing can be done about that).

I hear you man. I'm 50/50 on the rollins thing. The main reason they lost in the playoffs was offense. Replacing rollins bat in the lineup with galvis is a significant downgrade. Where do you replace that offense (with no positions other than LF opening up...and their only MLB ready position prospect plays that position so they aren't signing a FA)?? If they want to make one more run with this team, they probably should sign rollins. But that will probably prohibit them from from making moves going forward. Definitely a tough one. The thing that bothers me most about the phillies is that I feel, more than other teams in this city anyway, that they become attached to homegrown players. I will be surprised if they don't bring rollins back. there are rumors that the giants will be going after him hard (he's from the bay area and they are desperate for a SS)...he's gonna have some options on where he can go

The Juggler

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

you sound like the people you claim to despise---all the idiots who just expect a season to end the way 2008 did ever year. it doesn't work that way dude. that's why i'm mostly of the "just get to the playoffs and see what happens" ilk.

I'm the same way. Especially with the divisional series only being best of 5. Anything could happen. Especially against a well-managed, experienced team like St. Louis. Sometimes ya win and sometimes ya lose.

it's like people in this town forget what it was like pre-2007. fixer sounds just like all the nuts on my facebook news feed yet for some reason is fine with andy reid never winning anything. :?

they'll be back next year. hard not to with that pitching.

The Fixer

The Juggler wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

wrong about what? being able to enjoy 102 wins? :?

ryan howard's contract? when have we talked about that? use the quote feature to find out what i think about it. you won't. or can't figure out how. either way, when it happened i said he was overpaid. good job.

and, no, they did not suck from day 1. so you were absolutely wrong there.

and how did the bullpen cost them the series again? :? wrong again.

you sound like the people you claim to despise---all the idiots who just expect a season to end the way 2008 did ever year. it doesn't work that way dude. that's why i'm mostly of the "just get to the playoffs and see what happens" ilk. sure, i thought they were good enough to get to the world series. but it didn't happen. life goes on. there's always next year.

stick to "college" football.

so now you agree that howard and his contract suck?

their lineup scored some runs against teams like the marlins and mets and everyone was led to believe that they were good. All you had to do was watch the games and you would have realized that wasn't the case.

but it's OK...they made the playoffs (I really can't believe people are saying that)

no.

they scored runs against teams other than the marlins and mets. they were 2nd in the league in runs scored post all star break. i know, i know, small sample size :thumbup: :wave: :roll:

no it's not okay just making the playoffs.

are you a 7 year old? :? ...8?

I'm the guy that was right about this team. what are you going to do with your pom poms now that the season is over.

all aboard!!

The Fixer

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

you sound like the people you claim to despise---all the idiots who just expect a season to end the way 2008 did ever year. it doesn't work that way dude. that's why i'm mostly of the "just get to the playoffs and see what happens" ilk.

I'm the same way. Especially with the divisional series only being best of 5. Anything could happen. Especially against a well-managed, experienced team like St. Louis. Sometimes ya win and sometimes ya lose.

anything can happen, you guys are right. this is why halladay should have pitched game 4.

fire manuel and give sandberg the job

The Juggler

The Fixer wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

so now you agree that howard and his contract suck?

their lineup scored some runs against teams like the marlins and mets and everyone was led to believe that they were good. All you had to do was watch the games and you would have realized that wasn't the case.

but it's OK...they made the playoffs (I really can't believe people are saying that)

no.

they scored runs against teams other than the marlins and mets. they were 2nd in the league in runs scored post all star break. i know, i know, small sample size :thumbup: :wave: :roll:

no it's not okay just making the playoffs.

are you a 7 year old? :? ...8?

I'm the guy that was right about this team. what are you going to do with your pom poms now that the season is over.

all aboard!!

7 years old. i knew it!

have you washed the tears from your eyes yet? the sun will rise another day fixer

The Fixer

The Juggler wrote:

7 years old. i knew it!

have you washed the tears from your eyes yet? the sun will rise another day fixer

rather than this nonsense, let's talk about next year. what would you do to improve the team?

I can't wait to hear this

also, it's OK to admit you're wrong

chromiam

The Fixer wrote:

anything can happen, you guys are right. this is why halladay should have pitched game 4.

fire manuel and give sandberg the job

:shakes head: reasons why I stay away from this board at times.... Sandberg hasn't won a fucking thing anywhere at any time in his career and we should just hand over the manger's position to him one good year in A ball... yep that will solve all the problems.

pjhawks

The Fixer wrote:

I hear you man. I'm 50/50 on the rollins thing. The main reason they lost in the playoffs was offense. Replacing rollins bat in the lineup with galvis is a significant downgrade. Where do you replace that offense (with no positions other than LF opening up...and their only MLB ready position prospect plays that position so they aren't signing a FA)?? If they want to make one more run with this team, they probably should sign rollins. But that will probably prohibit them from from making moves going forward. Definitely a tough one. The thing that bothers me most about the phillies is that I feel, more than other teams in this city anyway, that they become attached to homegrown players. I will be surprised if they don't bring rollins back. there are rumors that the giants will be going after him hard (he's from the bay area and they are desperate for a SS)...he's gonna have some options on where he can go

i think adding youth and speed would be an upgrade though. this team only scores with 3 hits or a long ball. that has to change. for a guy who loves on-base percentage i'm surprised that you would consider bring jimmy back. i think short and left field next year requires youth and speed if they can be found somewhere. sad that the braves got him but michael bourn would be perfect for this team.

The Juggler

The Fixer wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

7 years old. i knew it!

have you washed the tears from your eyes yet? the sun will rise another day fixer

rather than this nonsense, let's talk about next year. what would you do to improve the team?

I can't wait to hear this

also, it's OK to admit you're wrong

i haven't even thought about next year yet. depends on how long howard will be out.

what exactly was i wrong about? i predicted 95 wins and that they'd get to the world series. seems reasonable to me. terribly sorry that i enjoyed their season. :?

what were you right about? the phillies having an easy time with the cardinals? the braves being in first place by memorial day? the phillies struggling to win 90 games? ben francisco being a competent every day right fielder? milton bradley being a good pickup for the phils? antonio bastardo sucking? chase utley not having much of an effect on the offiense when healthy? the list goes on and on and on and on dude. this is just off the very top of my head too.

The Fixer

pjhawks wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

I hear you man. I'm 50/50 on the rollins thing. The main reason they lost in the playoffs was offense. Replacing rollins bat in the lineup with galvis is a significant downgrade. Where do you replace that offense (with no positions other than LF opening up...and their only MLB ready position prospect plays that position so they aren't signing a FA)?? If they want to make one more run with this team, they probably should sign rollins. But that will probably prohibit them from from making moves going forward. Definitely a tough one. The thing that bothers me most about the phillies is that I feel, more than other teams in this city anyway, that they become attached to homegrown players. I will be surprised if they don't bring rollins back. there are rumors that the giants will be going after him hard (he's from the bay area and they are desperate for a SS)...he's gonna have some options on where he can go

i think adding youth and speed would be an upgrade though. this team only scores with 3 hits or a long ball. that has to change. for a guy who loves on-base percentage i'm surprised that you would consider bring jimmy back. i think short and left field next year requires youth and speed if they can be found somewhere. sad that the braves got him but michael bourn would be perfect for this team.

as much as rollins drives me crazy with his terrible ABs and inability to work pitchers (this is true for everyone other than utley and sometimes chooch...rollins is the poster boy though), he brings value with his defense and leadership. Like I said, I'm on the fence. Other than Jose Reyes I don't know what other SSs are out there this offseason

pjhawks

The Fixer wrote:

pjhawks wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

I hear you man. I'm 50/50 on the rollins thing. The main reason they lost in the playoffs was offense. Replacing rollins bat in the lineup with galvis is a significant downgrade. Where do you replace that offense (with no positions other than LF opening up...and their only MLB ready position prospect plays that position so they aren't signing a FA)?? If they want to make one more run with this team, they probably should sign rollins. But that will probably prohibit them from from making moves going forward. Definitely a tough one. The thing that bothers me most about the phillies is that I feel, more than other teams in this city anyway, that they become attached to homegrown players. I will be surprised if they don't bring rollins back. there are rumors that the giants will be going after him hard (he's from the bay area and they are desperate for a SS)...he's gonna have some options on where he can go

i think adding youth and speed would be an upgrade though. this team only scores with 3 hits or a long ball. that has to change. for a guy who loves on-base percentage i'm surprised that you would consider bring jimmy back. i think short and left field next year requires youth and speed if they can be found somewhere. sad that the braves got him but michael bourn would be perfect for this team.

as much as rollins drives me crazy with his terrible ABs and inability to work pitchers (this is true for everyone other than utley and sometimes chooch...rollins is the poster boy though), he brings value with his defense and leadership. Like I said, I'm on the fence. Other than Jose Reyes I don't know what other SSs are out there this offseason

Reyes is interesting. it won't happen because the dollars he will command and his attitude, but his game would be incredible for this team. talent wise the guy is an absolute stud. as i said i'd love a michael bourn-type. not sure who will be out there though.

Johnny Abruzzo

The Juggler wrote:

what were you right about? the phillies having an easy time with the cardinals? the braves being in first place by memorial day? the phillies struggling to win 90 games? ben francisco being a competent every day right fielder? milton bradley being a good pickup for the phils? antonio bastardo sucking? chase utley not having much of an effect on the offiense when healthy? the list goes on and on and on and on dude. this is just off the very top of my head too.

Awesome post!

Next year this team needs some offensive depth. Polanco needs to become a platoon player. Getting Ibanez out of the lineup will help - addition by subtraction.

Bullpen: let Dog walk and let the young guys take care of it. Plenty of bullpen prospects in the upper levels, so just see who steps up and takes the job.

Oswalt: see ya. Go operate some more heavy machinery or whatever you like to do and get lost. Thanks for nothing.

Sign Hamels to an extension already.

The Fixer

The Juggler wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

7 years old. i knew it!

have you washed the tears from your eyes yet? the sun will rise another day fixer

rather than this nonsense, let's talk about next year. what would you do to improve the team?

I can't wait to hear this

also, it's OK to admit you're wrong

i haven't even thought about next year yet. depends on how long howard will be out.

what exactly was i wrong about? i predicted 95 wins and that they'd get to the world series. seems reasonable to me. terribly sorry that i enjoyed their season. :?

what were you right about? the phillies having an easy time with the cardinals? the braves being in first place by memorial day? the phillies struggling to win 90 games? ben francisco being a competent every day right fielder? milton bradley being a good pickup for the phils? antonio bastardo sucking? chase utley not having much of an effect on the offiense when healthy? the list goes on and on and on and on dude. this is just off the very top of my head too.

half of that shit was said in jest . and I said utley would end up being out for the year and that they'd win 93. bradley couldn't have been any worse than ibanez.

I said the lineup, bullpen, and manager all sucked. I also said that stutes and bastardo would break down because the dummy manager was using them recklessly. And that ryan howard sucks ass. And that this team was going to have a tough time winning it all. Sure I thought they would breeze through the cards, but who didn't (again, -360 for the series!!!!!!!). Even I thought the flawed lineup would be able to beat guys like kyle lohse, ed jackson, and jaime garcia

my thing is that everyone here but me (and johnny early in the year when he agreed with me that their lineup sucked) slurped this team all year and just expected them to waltz into the WS (which they should have done). They choked and now everyone acts like it's not a big deal, which I find bewildering.

Bust my balls for not enjoying the season as much as everyone else. That's fine. Kind of ironic that I'm the only one that even half expected this team to fall short of their goal and I'm the one that seems most bothered by the outcome.

now, let's move on and focus on next year. would you bring oswalt back? what minor leaugers would you like to see compete for jobs in spring training? would you bring rollins/madson back? what relievers would you target as free agents? do you see anyone on the roster as tradable commoditites? or are you just going to wait to see how it all plays out then do your cheerleading routine all over again next year?

The Juggler

half of that was said in "jest?" riiiiiight.

you've spent the last 6 months arguing that shit. now it was all in "jest?" that is sooo convenient :thumbup:

guess we need a "jest" detector for all of fixer's posts now

polaris_x

fixer ... what i don't get it is ...

if you were consistently down on this team - then why is it such a shock to you they didn't win!??

The Juggler

polaris_x wrote:

fixer ... what i don't get it is ...

if you were consistently down on this team - then why is it such a shock to you they didn't win!??

he is quite the enigma.

The Fixer

polaris_x wrote:

fixer ... what i don't get it is ...

if you were consistently down on this team - then why is it such a shock to you they didn't win!??

because the team they played stinks. I thought they would get to the WS and lose. The NL playoff teams are pure and utter garbage

seriously, they couldn't beat edwin jackson

The Juggler

The Fixer wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

fixer ... what i don't get it is ...
I thought they would get to the WS and lose. The NL playoff teams are pure and utter garbage

so your expectations actually were about what we all expected.

why, then, pull the old "i told you so" routine? it is pretty fucking childish dude.

by the way--another of your arguments this year was how improved the nl was