***The Official Philadelphia Phillies 2012 Thread***

Johnny Abruzzo

As Fixer said, there's no rational way to defend Howard's performance so far in this series. Hopefully he makes up for it tomorrow. He hasn't been the only terrible hitter in this lineup though. Pretty much 4-8 have all blown.

Johnny Abruzzo

polaris_x wrote:

pjhawks wrote:

well he is personally responsible for 1 of the 2 wins we have so far.

and why do you guys not say anything about the 4 aces? our starting rotation have given up 13 runs in 26 innings for an era of 4.50 and only one of the 4 has gotten through 6 innings. that boys is not good enough for the supposed greatest rotation in history.

thing is ... you're also in the NL ... your starters not going beyond 6 is a function of the game ... hamels could have pitched into the 8th but you guys pinch-hit and obviously, rightly so ... but it wasn't because he was out of gas ...

He had 117 pitches thru 6 innings. I would've taken him out anyway. He never really had that much gas to start with in that game. He just gutted through it, which I found all the more impressive. I say it's the best game I've ever seen him pitch.

polaris_x

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

He had 117 pitches thru 6 innings. I would've taken him out anyway. He never really had that much gas to start with in that game. He just gutted through it, which I found all the more impressive. I say it's the best game I've ever seen him pitch.

i didn't know his pitch count was that high ... he only given up like 5 or 6 hits and no runs up until then ...

i don't think you can necessarily blame the SPs ... it's definitely the hitting ... also, the strikeout/throw out was a huge rally killer yesterday ... also getting thrown out at 3rd ... obviously, it's not just howard but he is in the 4 hole for a reason ... and he isn't producing ...

The Juggler

wow....series is tied guys. a win tomorrow and we're in the nlcs. and, again, we've got the best pitcher in the universe going for us.


sometimes i think if the phillies took 7 games to win the world series people in this town would complain that it took too long.

Wobbie

The Juggler wrote:

wow....series is tied guys. a win tomorrow and we're in the nlcs. and, again, we've got the best pitcher in the universe going for us.

cardinals are trying to swing a deal for cody ross

pjhawks

polaris_x wrote:

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

He had 117 pitches thru 6 innings. I would've taken him out anyway. He never really had that much gas to start with in that game. He just gutted through it, which I found all the more impressive. I say it's the best game I've ever seen him pitch.

i didn't know his pitch count was that high ... he only given up like 5 or 6 hits and no runs up until then ...

i don't think you can necessarily blame the SPs ... it's definitely the hitting ... also, the strikeout/throw out was a huge rally killer yesterday ... also getting thrown out at 3rd ... obviously, it's not just howard but he is in the 4 hole for a reason ... and he isn't producing ...

so you think a 4.50 era from the best rotation in the history of baseball is ok? and you do realize that in games 2-4 our starters have thrown only 2 or 3 1-2-3 innings? hamels had none and oswalt had only 1 can't fully remember lee's start. and fucking schumacher and theriot are a combined 11-17 in the past 3 games.

offense hasn't been great ill grant you, but we are what we are offensively. our starting pitching has been too far from the norm. if you want to talk about deviating from the norm it's been the starting pitching much more of a deviation so far than the offense.

polaris_x

pjhawks wrote:

so you think a 4.50 era from the best rotation in the history of baseball is ok? and you do realize that in games 2-4 our starters have thrown only 2 or 3 1-2-3 innings? hamels had none and oswalt had only 1 can't fully remember lee's start. and fucking schumacher and theriot are a combined 11-17 in the past 3 games.

offense hasn't been great ill grant you, but we are what we are offensively. our starting pitching has been too far from the norm. if you want to talk about deviating from the norm it's been the starting pitching much more of a deviation so far than the offense.

it depends on how you look at it ... you can say 2 of your 4 sp's have an era of 1.92 and two have an era of 7.50 ... Lee didn't get the job done and oswalt gave up 5 runs on 6 hits ... i mean - cards capitalized when they got the chance ... he didn't pitch horribly ...

you still gotta score runs and do the right things like not giving a home team momentum when you've already taken it away ...

Johnny Abruzzo

This article makes a pretty good case that Cliff Lee was simply unlucky in Game 2.

http://crashburnalley.com/2011/10/04/cliff-lee-and-babip/

Not that it makes any of us feel any better.

RW81233

To an extent I get SABRMetrics, but isn't it funny that every time there's a flaw in a stat it seems to get blamed on "sample size"? I guess I will be biased because I'm a qualitative academic, but numbers work in the broad sense but don't we live in small sample sizes?

jamminpearls

RW81233 wrote:

To an extent I get SABRMetrics, but isn't it funny that every time there's a flaw in a stat it seems to get blamed on "sample size"? I guess I will be biased because I'm a qualitative academic, but numbers work in the broad sense but don't we live in small sample sizes?

You're gonna piss the fixer and Pam off!!!!

Ledbetterman10

The Cards have just as a good a chance as winning this as the Phils do. I just have such a bad feeling.

jamminpearls

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

The Cards have just as a good a chance as winning this as the Phils do. I just have such a bad feeling.

No they don't we have Doc going they don't.

Ledbetterman10

jamminpearls wrote:

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

The Cards have just as a good a chance as winning this as the Phils do. I just have such a bad feeling.

No they don't we have Doc going they don't.

I know, I know, I know. But they gotta hit!

The Juggler

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

jamminpearls wrote:

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

The Cards have just as a good a chance as winning this as the Phils do. I just have such a bad feeling.

No they don't we have Doc going they don't.

I know, I know, I know. But they gotta hit!

2 or 3 runs will win this game on friday. doc's been waiting his whole life for this (and the next 2 rounds obviously. this is why he's here.

3-1 phils.

gonna go buy tix now.

Jearlpam0925

The Juggler wrote:

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

jamminpearls wrote:

No they don't we have Doc going they don't.

I know, I know, I know. But they gotta hit!

2 or 3 runs will win this game on friday. doc's been waiting his whole life for this (and the next 2 rounds obviously. this is why he's here.

3-1 phils.

gonna go buy tix now.

I'm not trying to be a dick, and I hope I'm wrong, but I had the feeling that they HAD to win game 4. Just don't feel good about it. They need at least 4, 5, runs to win this.

Jeags, if you're going, make sure that crowd isn't massaging their vag's.

The Fixer

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

As Fixer said, there's no rational way to defend Howard's performance so far in this series. Hopefully he makes up for it tomorrow. He hasn't been the only terrible hitter in this lineup though. Pretty much 4-8 have all blown.

this is true. the difference is that the 5-8 hitters aren't making $25 million a year.

My point is that howard is supposed to be one of this team's best players (or the best based on his salary). One could argue that he's their 5th best position player (which is where I would rate him).

the guy better do something positive tomorrrow night. like get a hit for a change

The Fixer

The Juggler wrote:

wow....series is tied guys. a win tomorrow and we're in the nlcs. and, again, we've got the best pitcher in the universe going for us.


sometimes i think if the phillies took 7 games to win the world series people in this town would complain that it took too long.

yeah, we all expected them to be in a do or die game against the fucking shitbox cardinals in round 1. what is everyone freaking out about? :roll:

The Fixer

pjhawks wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

He had 117 pitches thru 6 innings. I would've taken him out anyway. He never really had that much gas to start with in that game. He just gutted through it, which I found all the more impressive. I say it's the best game I've ever seen him pitch.

i didn't know his pitch count was that high ... he only given up like 5 or 6 hits and no runs up until then ...

i don't think you can necessarily blame the SPs ... it's definitely the hitting ... also, the strikeout/throw out was a huge rally killer yesterday ... also getting thrown out at 3rd ... obviously, it's not just howard but he is in the 4 hole for a reason ... and he isn't producing ...

so you think a 4.50 era from the best rotation in the history of baseball is ok? and you do realize that in games 2-4 our starters have thrown only 2 or 3 1-2-3 innings? hamels had none and oswalt had only 1 can't fully remember lee's start. and fucking schumacher and theriot are a combined 11-17 in the past 3 games.

offense hasn't been great ill grant you, but we are what we are offensively. our starting pitching has been too far from the norm. if you want to talk about deviating from the norm it's been the starting pitching much more of a deviation so far than the offense.

oswalt isn't an ace. not even close. you can't include him with the other 3. I just wish the manager would have realized this.

Wobbie

The Fixer wrote:

oswalt isn't an ace. not even close. you can't include him with the other 3. I just wish the manager would have realized this.

he's an ex-ace. father time is a motherfucker.

cowboypjfan

The Juggler wrote:

and, again, we've got the best pitcher in the universe going for us.

When did you guys acquire Verlander?