***The Official Philadelphia Phillies 2012 Thread***

The Fixer

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

99 fucking problems

Great fuckin' night. I was an absolute lunatic.

Holy shit dude. I am just starting to get right.

PJ sunday
Springsteen monday
FF draft with high school clowns on tuesday (ended up closing the bishops collar afterwards)

I am still feeling the effects. About as close to a vegas or NO trip as one can get.

I had a blast at the festival. Still prefer a true PJ concert, but I was pleasantly surprised (except for Drake's set). Got my tix upgraded to VIP thru a connection. We were walking around scoping things out and realized that there was an upgraded vip area (apparently we just missed jay z and beyonce hanging out there for part of one of the other sets...people sitting there had all knids of pics on their phones)...they had the big statue of the guy on a horse fenced off. fence was this little ghetto temp fence so I kicked it open while security wasn't looking and we snuck into this area. Best part was there were steps, so we were elevated enough with a direct shot of the stage. Sat there for an hour and waited for PJ set to start. when it did it was fucking awesome. the rain falling during corduroy made it even better as the lights went off and crowd got going. Then security came over and kicked us back into the herd...got to see the first 5 songs up there, no reprecussions for being there, so it was well worth it.

Set wasn't my favorite but the atmosphere more than made up for it. Great time. event was really well run. I thought lines for beer (we hung out all the way to the left if facing the rocky stage...lines were never more than 3 people deep) and pissers weren't bad at all. If PJ is going to continue doing these festival gigs I would definitely go back to MIA if it's in philly again.

after 4 concerts in the last 2.5 weeks I am looking forward to getting my ass back into the gym and drying out during the month of september. at least that's the plan as of today

eeriepadave

nice comeback win tonight. 7 1/2 games out of a wild card now :corn:

The Juggler

eeriepadave wrote:

nice comeback win tonight. 7 1/2 games out of a wild card now :corn:

it's actually 7 now. that was a fun ending last night. i just want to see them climb back to .500 and finish on a high note, which i think they can do with this 13 game stretch against bad teams (been nice beating up on playoff teams these past few weeks though).



nats shutting strasburg down.

The Fixer

The Juggler wrote:

eeriepadave wrote:

nice comeback win tonight. 7 1/2 games out of a wild card now :corn:

it's actually 7 now. that was a fun ending last night. i just want to see them climb back to .500 and finish on a high note, which i think they can do with this 13 game stretch against bad teams (been nice beating up on playoff teams these past few weeks though).



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wins and losses mean nothing at this point. let the young guys play.

specifically put ruff in LF, brown in RF, schierholtz (not young, but see if he can be a part timer out there next year) in CF. then as much cloyd, aumont (who looked great last night), defratus as possible

The Juggler

The Fixer wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

eeriepadave wrote:

nice comeback win tonight. 7 1/2 games out of a wild card now :corn:

it's actually 7 now. that was a fun ending last night. i just want to see them climb back to .500 and finish on a high note, which i think they can do with this 13 game stretch against bad teams (been nice beating up on playoff teams these past few weeks though).



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wins and losses mean nothing at this point. let the young guys play.

specifically put ruff in LF, brown in RF, schierholtz (not young, but see if he can be a part timer out there next year) in CF. then as much cloyd, aumont (who looked great last night), defratus as possible

uh, well, obviously everyone wants to see these guys play (other than ruff, so far, they have been). but i'd like to see them some win games at the same time.

pretty encouraged by frenchie thus far. plus that it was in tight spot the other night. good stuff

The Fixer

The Juggler wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

it's actually 7 now. that was a fun ending last night. i just want to see them climb back to .500 and finish on a high note, which i think they can do with this 13 game stretch against bad teams (been nice beating up on playoff teams these past few weeks though).



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wins and losses mean nothing at this point. let the young guys play.

specifically put ruff in LF, brown in RF, schierholtz (not young, but see if he can be a part timer out there next year) in CF. then as much cloyd, aumont (who looked great last night), defratus as possible

uh, well, obviously everyone wants to see these guys play (other than ruff, so far, they have been). but i'd like to see them some win games at the same time.

pretty encouraged by frenchie thus far. plus that it was in tight spot the other night. good stuff

I don't understand your obsession with finishing .500. first the sixers, now the phils. makes zero sense to me

then again......

The Fixer

watching the phils/eagles is getting tough. my daughter thinks she is eddie vedder during porch circa 1992.

fun but exhausting

eeriepadave

come on phills, let's get it to 6 games out of the wild card and sweep the double header tonight. Losing right now though 4-1 in the 5th :(

The Fixer

eeriepadave wrote:

come on phills, let's get it to 6 games out of the wild card and sweep the double header tonight. Losing right now though 4-1 in the 5th :(

5 colorado errors later...another win

still don't think it's gonna happen, but stranger things have happened

jamminpearls

If this team was together all season this Oct could have been real fun. Although it's not 100% over it's still almost impossible. It's nice to see there playing good ball and that the future looks bright.

The Fixer

jamminpearls wrote:

If this team was together all season this Oct could have been real fun. Although it's not 100% over it's still almost impossible. It's nice to see there playing good ball and that the future looks bright.

bright future is debateable. this team has a ton of holes to fill and no internal options.

nats have had just as many injuries. hasn't hurt them

jamminpearls

The Fixer wrote:

jamminpearls wrote:

If this team was together all season this Oct could have been real fun. Although it's not 100% over it's still almost impossible. It's nice to see there playing good ball and that the future looks bright.

bright future is debateable. this team has a ton of holes to fill and no internal options.

nats have had just as many injuries. hasn't hurt them

There's always 2 views,neither have to be correct. I like this team if healthy. If we can get a Cf,figure out 3b and sigh Madson cheap i think we can be back to form.

The Fixer

jamminpearls wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

jamminpearls wrote:

If this team was together all season this Oct could have been real fun. Although it's not 100% over it's still almost impossible. It's nice to see there playing good ball and that the future looks bright.

bright future is debateable. this team has a ton of holes to fill and no internal options.

nats have had just as many injuries. hasn't hurt them

There's always 2 views,neither have to be correct. I like this team if healthy. If we can get a Cf,figure out 3b and sigh Madson cheap i think we can be back to form.

I argue with my buddies about this all the time. is it realistic to say 'if healthy' with this team? they're old, they're gonna get hurt a lot.

They need pen help, a 3B, a CF, and at least one corner OF. and a new manager and GM

Nice to have semi-meaningful games for the first time since may. I'm trying not to think about the offseason until they are eliminated. I will say that I hope frandsen and kratz are kept around though

jamminpearls

Agreed Kratz deserves to be the backup and Frandsen could be a nice utilty man/part time 3rd baseman. Sounds like Wash might not make a run at Bourn after all. Grab him resign Pierre and see what some rookies can do. The pen needs help and I think Madson needs to sign a show me deal. And what better place to do it at then here.

The Fixer

jamminpearls wrote:

Agreed Kratz deserves to be the backup and Frandsen could be a nice utilty man/part time 3rd baseman. Sounds like Wash might not make a run at Bourn after all. Grab him resign Pierre and see what some rookies can do. The pen needs help and I think Madson needs to sign a show me deal. And what better place to do it at then here.

reds have an option on madson for next year. he might not hit the market

I dont know if bourn is a $15 mill a year player...esp for 5+ years. that's what it's gonna take to sign him. If you look at his numbers, they're not much different from rollins in his prime (with less power...more steals). I like bourn, but I don't think his price tag is going to justify what he's going to give you.

of course this means amaro is licking his chops to severly overpay. I'd rather sign angel pagan to play CF. My pipe dream is trade for chase headley, but he's been unreal since trade deadline, so that ship has prob sailed. I'd like a cheaper option like keppinger or scutaro to play 3B 100 games a year. grab a guy like cody ross to platoon in the OF spots (pagan, scheirholtz, ross, brown...not terrible). sign a high end setup guy. that's what I'd do...those types of moves will give them financial flexibility to tweak the roster throughout next year should guys get hurt (inevitable) or need upgrades (dom brown)

anyway...they need to win a minimum of 6 outta 7 this week. gonna be tough, they really have no margin for error...have to be near perfect

JK_Livin

Now pinch hitting "Babe Ruf"

Empty Glass

JK_Livin wrote:

Now pinch hitting "Babe Ruf"

It'd be nice if he turns out to be a decent OF and doesn't have to pinch hit for long

Johnny Abruzzo

The Fixer wrote:

eeriepadave wrote:

come on phills, let's get it to 6 games out of the wild card and sweep the double header tonight. Losing right now though 4-1 in the 5th :(

5 colorado errors later...another win

still don't think it's gonna happen, but stranger things have happened

Roxx gave us that doubleheader with their idiotic 75 pitch nonsense. Both starters were dominating the Phillies. Jeff Francis. :roll: And they are gonna ruin Pomerantz. I can't believe a franchise could possibly be that stupid.

The Fixer

can't believe vedder joined springsteen on stage in chicago :evil:

EV was at the monday night springsteen show, but was in a suite. he probably saw how dead the crowd was and said fuck it

eeriepadave

Probably going to either Tuesday's game or Wed. game against the Marlins.

Also cool that they brought up Darin Ruf :thumbup:

Johnny Abruzzo

eeriepadave wrote:

Probably going to either Tuesday's game or Wed. game against the Marlins.

Also cool that they brought up Darin Ruf :thumbup:

I'm going tomorrow. Bringing my dad.

eeriepadave

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

eeriepadave wrote:

Probably going to either Tuesday's game or Wed. game against the Marlins.

Also cool that they brought up Darin Ruf :thumbup:

I'm going tomorrow. Bringing my dad.

dollar dog night tomorrow

The Fixer

a certain overpaid phillie correctly omitted from this list...


Alex Rodriguez anticipated a fastball from Wei-Yin Chen on Friday night and mashed it, deep into the bullpens beyond the fence in left-center field. It was the 645th homer of his career, and, before Rodriguez crossed home, Derek Jeter stepped on the plate ahead of him, the 1,885th run of Jeter's career.

Both Rodriguez and Jeter have produced numbers that are overwhelmingly worthy of the Hall of Fame -- for Rodriguez, the question of whether he'll actually get in is a separate issue -- and so have Chipper Jones, who began his last series in New York on Friday and was honored there, and Mariano Rivera, who is recovering from knee surgery. Omar Vizquel built the best parts of his résumé years ago and is in the final days and weeks of his career, as is Jim Thome, who is almost certainly a sure thing to be voted in on his first year on the ballot. Andy Pettitte has done enough to have his career mulled over, but, like Rodriguez, he'll have to overcome the PED stigma that a large number of voters are attaching to certain candidates.



There are other active players who may already have done enough to earn strong consideration for the Hall of Fame.



The locks



1. Albert Pujols
In case anybody needs reminding: He's tied for eighth all time in adjusted OPS and has 474 career homers. He had only one season before 2012 when he finished out of the top 5 in the MVP voting and has won the award three times. He's five doubles from 500 for his career, 33 runs from 1,400, and he has won two Gold Gloves. The only question -- as with Jeter and Rivera -- will be whether he will be a unanimous selection.



2. Miguel Cabrera
This is Cabrera's 10th season in the big leagues, which means he has enough service time to qualify for the Hall of Fame -- and if he never played another game, his production would be good enough, too. Easily.



He has a career OPS of .954, and his adjusted OPS ranks 30th all time, which is in the Frank Robinson-Honus Wagner neighborhood.



This is his ninth consecutive season of more than 100 RBIs, and by the time the votes are tabulated this fall, he'll have finished in the top 5 for MVP for the sixth time. He might not have 500 homers or 3,000 hits -- heck, he doesn't have 2,000 hits -- but he is like a Pedro Martinez of position players, performing at such an elite level that he wouldn't require a 15- or 18-year career to merit Hall consideration.



By the way: Cabrera doesn't turn 30 until April.



3. Roy Halladay
Baseball Reference ranks him at No. 44 all time among pitchers, right in between Don Drysdale and Whitey Ford. He has finished in the top three in his league's Cy Young voting five times and has won the award twice. Soon enough, he'll have some of the cumulative numbers that will serve as sweeteners to his candidacy -- he is three victories from 200 for his career, and, if he stays healthy, he'll have 3,000 innings and probably 2,500 strikeouts. He is something of a dinosaur in his era, having led his league in complete games seven times and in innings four times. Some voters might need to see more victories and would prefer that he led his league in ERA or strikeouts at least once. But Halladay would get a vote from me if his name popped up on the ballot today.



The probablys


4. Scott Rolen
His candidacy will be fascinating. Rolen has won eight Gold Gloves and might be the greatest defensive player ever at his position, and he's had some periods in his career when he's been among his league's best players. But because of injuries, he's had some drift in his career, and his cumulative numbers are really good but not overwhelming -- 2,066 hits, 314 homers, a .365 on-base percentage. Baseball Reference has him ranked as the 95th-best player of all time, behind Kenny Lofton but ahead of Mike Piazza.



The reason Piazza is such a strong candidate is because his production relative to the others who played his position was so unusual. The same could be said for Rolen's defensive production, and his offense has been pretty good, too.



By the way: Rolen has been hurting, and he was out of the starting lineup Friday.



The maybes


5. David Ortiz
A player can be a superstar in stature, but that is no guarantee for induction. Ortiz is among baseball's most recognizable players, and he is greatly accomplished, with 401 homers and a leading role on two championship teams; in the span of three years, he drove in 422 runs.



But Ortiz doesn't have 2,000 hits, which is a problem because, as a designated hitter, his candidacy is built entirely upon his offensive numbers. To date, Hall of Fame numbers haven't been kind to DH candidates; Edgar Martinez, arguably the greatest DH ever, hasn't come close to induction, never polling more than 36.5 percent in his three years on the ballot.



But Ortiz's place in the game could help him and, eventually, could help Martinez, as well, as voters reassess DH candidates.



Baseball Reference offers a comparison to Pedro Guerrero.



6. Johan Santana
In the five-year window from 2004 to 2008, he was arguably the best pitcher in the majors, leading his peers in ERA+ three times and winning two ERA titles and two Cy Young Awards.



But Santana has 139 career victories and barely has 2,000 innings in the majors. Baseball Reference has him ranked as the 88th-best pitcher of all time, a couple of spots ahead of Ron Guidry, who seems like an excellent comparable to Santana. And, for all of his brilliance in the late '70s, Guidry is not in the Hall of Fame.



7. Todd Helton
His will be a wrenching candidacy. On one hand, Helton has a career .419 on-base percentage and a sturdy 2,420 hits and 354 home runs. But whenever Helton's name appears on a ballot, so much of the focus will be on his home/road splits and the question of how much he was aided by playing in Colorado -- and his OPS for home games has been almost 200 points higher than on the road. This context has really hurt the candidacy of Larry Walker, who put up great numbers in his career but hasn't reached 23 percent support in his two years on the ballot.



8. Carlos Beltran
He has 330 homers and has played an elite defensive position at an elite level, and Baseball Reference tags him as the 99th-best position player ever, right behind Manny Ramirez. I don't know whether I would vote for him if his career ended today.



9. Andruw Jones
He has 433 career homers and played on some excellent Atlanta teams, but his defense will be the backbone of his candidacy. Opposing players will talk about Jones' ability to patrol center field in the first decade of his career in the way that some might talk about Bigfoot because his range -- his incredible knack for tracking deep fly balls despite positioning himself very shallow -- was almost unbelievable. He has won 10 Gold Gloves.



But his seemingly premature decline, at about 30 years old, and his long period of regression probably is going to hurt how he is perceived by voters. I'd vote for him; I doubt that 75 percent of voters would, though, as of today.



10. Adrian Beltre
This is his 15th year in the big leagues, and he's only 33 years old, and he's quickly climbing the rankings leaderboard: 340 career homers, 2,199 hits, and he has won three Gold Gloves. Baseball Reference puts him in the neighborhood of Don Mattingly, so I don't think he'd get in today. But eventually, he'll be a slam-dunk candidate.



11. Chase Utley
He came in the same year as Cabrera, so he's barely qualified in service time for Hall of Fame consideration, and injuries have diminished him in the past couple of seasons. At his best, though, Utley was among the best second basemen we've ever seen, serving as an anchor to the best Phillies teams ever. Utley scored 470 runs in a four-year span.



But he has only 1,250 hits and still needs a couple of homers to hit 200. The guess here is that he'll fall short in voting among the writers but that there will be a time when the veterans committee strongly considers him.



Getting closer, but they need more


12. Paul Konerko (417 HRs)



13. CC Sabathia (189-100, 3.51)



14. Tim Hudson (195-102, 3.42)



Probably not, but entering the conversation


15. Torii Hunter (Nine Gold Glove Awards, almost 300 career homers; he'll be hurt by his relatively modest career average of .276.)


16. Jimmy Rollins (He just got his 2,000th hit, to go along with 1,160 runs, 398 stolen bases and three Gold Glove Awards.)

Ledbetterman10

The Fixer wrote:

a certain overpaid phillie correctly omitted from this list...


Alex Rodriguez anticipated a fastball from Wei-Yin Chen on Friday night and mashed it, deep into the bullpens beyond the fence in left-center field. It was the 645th homer of his career, and, before Rodriguez crossed home, Derek Jeter stepped on the plate ahead of him, the 1,885th run of Jeter's career.

Both Rodriguez and Jeter have produced numbers that are overwhelmingly worthy of the Hall of Fame -- for Rodriguez, the question of whether he'll actually get in is a separate issue -- and so have Chipper Jones, who began his last series in New York on Friday and was honored there, and Mariano Rivera, who is recovering from knee surgery. Omar Vizquel built the best parts of his résumé years ago and is in the final days and weeks of his career, as is Jim Thome, who is almost certainly a sure thing to be voted in on his first year on the ballot. Andy Pettitte has done enough to have his career mulled over, but, like Rodriguez, he'll have to overcome the PED stigma that a large number of voters are attaching to certain candidates.



There are other active players who may already have done enough to earn strong consideration for the Hall of Fame.



The locks



1. Albert Pujols
In case anybody needs reminding: He's tied for eighth all time in adjusted OPS and has 474 career homers. He had only one season before 2012 when he finished out of the top 5 in the MVP voting and has won the award three times. He's five doubles from 500 for his career, 33 runs from 1,400, and he has won two Gold Gloves. The only question -- as with Jeter and Rivera -- will be whether he will be a unanimous selection.



2. Miguel Cabrera
This is Cabrera's 10th season in the big leagues, which means he has enough service time to qualify for the Hall of Fame -- and if he never played another game, his production would be good enough, too. Easily.



He has a career OPS of .954, and his adjusted OPS ranks 30th all time, which is in the Frank Robinson-Honus Wagner neighborhood.



This is his ninth consecutive season of more than 100 RBIs, and by the time the votes are tabulated this fall, he'll have finished in the top 5 for MVP for the sixth time. He might not have 500 homers or 3,000 hits -- heck, he doesn't have 2,000 hits -- but he is like a Pedro Martinez of position players, performing at such an elite level that he wouldn't require a 15- or 18-year career to merit Hall consideration.



By the way: Cabrera doesn't turn 30 until April.



3. Roy Halladay
Baseball Reference ranks him at No. 44 all time among pitchers, right in between Don Drysdale and Whitey Ford. He has finished in the top three in his league's Cy Young voting five times and has won the award twice. Soon enough, he'll have some of the cumulative numbers that will serve as sweeteners to his candidacy -- he is three victories from 200 for his career, and, if he stays healthy, he'll have 3,000 innings and probably 2,500 strikeouts. He is something of a dinosaur in his era, having led his league in complete games seven times and in innings four times. Some voters might need to see more victories and would prefer that he led his league in ERA or strikeouts at least once. But Halladay would get a vote from me if his name popped up on the ballot today.



The probablys


4. Scott Rolen
His candidacy will be fascinating. Rolen has won eight Gold Gloves and might be the greatest defensive player ever at his position, and he's had some periods in his career when he's been among his league's best players. But because of injuries, he's had some drift in his career, and his cumulative numbers are really good but not overwhelming -- 2,066 hits, 314 homers, a .365 on-base percentage. Baseball Reference has him ranked as the 95th-best player of all time, behind Kenny Lofton but ahead of Mike Piazza.



The reason Piazza is such a strong candidate is because his production relative to the others who played his position was so unusual. The same could be said for Rolen's defensive production, and his offense has been pretty good, too.



By the way: Rolen has been hurting, and he was out of the starting lineup Friday.



The maybes


5. David Ortiz
A player can be a superstar in stature, but that is no guarantee for induction. Ortiz is among baseball's most recognizable players, and he is greatly accomplished, with 401 homers and a leading role on two championship teams; in the span of three years, he drove in 422 runs.



But Ortiz doesn't have 2,000 hits, which is a problem because, as a designated hitter, his candidacy is built entirely upon his offensive numbers. To date, Hall of Fame numbers haven't been kind to DH candidates; Edgar Martinez, arguably the greatest DH ever, hasn't come close to induction, never polling more than 36.5 percent in his three years on the ballot.



But Ortiz's place in the game could help him and, eventually, could help Martinez, as well, as voters reassess DH candidates.



Baseball Reference offers a comparison to Pedro Guerrero.



6. Johan Santana
In the five-year window from 2004 to 2008, he was arguably the best pitcher in the majors, leading his peers in ERA+ three times and winning two ERA titles and two Cy Young Awards.



But Santana has 139 career victories and barely has 2,000 innings in the majors. Baseball Reference has him ranked as the 88th-best pitcher of all time, a couple of spots ahead of Ron Guidry, who seems like an excellent comparable to Santana. And, for all of his brilliance in the late '70s, Guidry is not in the Hall of Fame.



7. Todd Helton
His will be a wrenching candidacy. On one hand, Helton has a career .419 on-base percentage and a sturdy 2,420 hits and 354 home runs. But whenever Helton's name appears on a ballot, so much of the focus will be on his home/road splits and the question of how much he was aided by playing in Colorado -- and his OPS for home games has been almost 200 points higher than on the road. This context has really hurt the candidacy of Larry Walker, who put up great numbers in his career but hasn't reached 23 percent support in his two years on the ballot.



8. Carlos Beltran
He has 330 homers and has played an elite defensive position at an elite level, and Baseball Reference tags him as the 99th-best position player ever, right behind Manny Ramirez. I don't know whether I would vote for him if his career ended today.



9. Andruw Jones
He has 433 career homers and played on some excellent Atlanta teams, but his defense will be the backbone of his candidacy. Opposing players will talk about Jones' ability to patrol center field in the first decade of his career in the way that some might talk about Bigfoot because his range -- his incredible knack for tracking deep fly balls despite positioning himself very shallow -- was almost unbelievable. He has won 10 Gold Gloves.



But his seemingly premature decline, at about 30 years old, and his long period of regression probably is going to hurt how he is perceived by voters. I'd vote for him; I doubt that 75 percent of voters would, though, as of today.



10. Adrian Beltre
This is his 15th year in the big leagues, and he's only 33 years old, and he's quickly climbing the rankings leaderboard: 340 career homers, 2,199 hits, and he has won three Gold Gloves. Baseball Reference puts him in the neighborhood of Don Mattingly, so I don't think he'd get in today. But eventually, he'll be a slam-dunk candidate.



11. Chase Utley
He came in the same year as Cabrera, so he's barely qualified in service time for Hall of Fame consideration, and injuries have diminished him in the past couple of seasons. At his best, though, Utley was among the best second basemen we've ever seen, serving as an anchor to the best Phillies teams ever. Utley scored 470 runs in a four-year span.



But he has only 1,250 hits and still needs a couple of homers to hit 200. The guess here is that he'll fall short in voting among the writers but that there will be a time when the veterans committee strongly considers him.



Getting closer, but they need more


12. Paul Konerko (417 HRs)



13. CC Sabathia (189-100, 3.51)



14. Tim Hudson (195-102, 3.42)



Probably not, but entering the conversation


15. Torii Hunter (Nine Gold Glove Awards, almost 300 career homers; he'll be hurt by his relatively modest career average of .276.)


16. Jimmy Rollins (He just got his 2,000th hit, to go along with 1,160 runs, 398 stolen bases and three Gold Glove Awards.)

Some good picks but this looks like it was compiled by some Bleacher Report guy; backing things up with Baseball-reference.com rankings and the like. And where's Ichiro Suzuki? I'd have him at least in front of J-Roll.

eeriepadave

looking good so far tonight. :corn:

jamminpearls

Go Padres!!!!!

The Juggler

jamminpearls wrote:

Go Padres!!!!!

indeed

could be 5 out come morning. just happy they hung around to make september a little interesting for us.

going down next saturday.

love the fight!

The Fixer

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

Some good picks but this looks like it was compiled by some Bleacher Report guy; backing things up with Baseball-reference.com rankings and the like. And where's Ichiro Suzuki? I'd have him at least in front of J-Roll.

forgot to add it was from buster olney's blog. kind of respected industry opinion.

good call on ichiro.

eeriepadave

The Juggler wrote:

jamminpearls wrote:

Go Padres!!!!!

indeed

could be 5 out come morning. just happy they hung around to make september a little interesting for us.

going down next saturday.

love the fight!

Pads up 6-3 in the 6th :thumbup:

JK_Livin

5

Is KK a bargain now at 2 years 7.5 million?